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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 01 2008,05:13) Nick….where is that written or is that YOUR HUMAN LOGIC talking. peace ………..gene
GB,
Happy to help.
Romans 4:9
Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.Nick…I ask you where is that written , it is not written as you said it, I know Faith is a given from God and i do agree with Romans 4:9 concerning Abraham, His Faith was (RECKONED) to him as righteousness. But you must remember that faith was given him by GOD in the first place , it wasn't something He had or acquired on his own. God was working with him his whole life and that caused his faith to grow to were he could sacrifice His Son Isaac. Faith is not something we naturally have it is something given to us by GOD and the more the relationship with God the more our Faith grows. But many think supposition is FAITH, When in fact it is not.
GB,
You want grace to help you?
Then walk.
Heb12
12Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;13And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
14Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
15Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 01 2008,05:27) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 30 2008,15:05) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 30 2008,12:04) 942747…..Your infuses on Us doing our own changing , is wrong, WE ARE (CREATED) UNTO GOOD WORKS. We are (NOT) the CREATOR the does that, that is GOD the FATHER who (DOES) THAT. that is why He is the SAVIOR OF ALL, because HE ALONE is the ONLY ONE WHO CAN CAUSE US TO CHANGE , no one else can not even ourselves. Its impossible for us to change ourselves, “for I will take out of them the stony heart and give them a heart of flesh, and (I) will write my laws in there inward parts. Can you do that, NO you can't. WE are (CREATED) unto good works. CREATED the only creator i know of is GOD. peace …………..gene
Hi Gene:God is my Father and He leads me into all truths. It is up to me to apply what He teaches me. And so, yes he does change me with my cooperation.
942767…..I think it might be more accurate to say God Changes you mind to cooperate. God doesn't save us because we consent to it or not. He Saves us despite ourselves,. Many so -called “Christians” want to think they play a part in their salvation through there so-called “FREE WILL” choices, by this they deny the absoluteness of GOD, in all things. Salvation is not our option it's GOD's option PERIOD. We (ARE) the clay He (IS) the potter, and the potter does with the clay what ever He doesn't ask the (CLAY”S) permission. Remember we are (CREATED) unto righteousness. Do we give consent to create to the creator? IMO
No, What you are saying is that God is soveriegn and He is He can do whatsoever He pleases, but He has given His Word and He will not interfere with a person's free will. He will not save a person despite themselves if they do not want to be saved.Quote Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. We have to open the door and let Him in.
Quote Hbr 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
Hbr 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;This scripture states that he is the author of eternal salvation “UNTO ALL THAT OBEY HIM”.
942767…..this is where we disagree, I say God saves a person despite his self, and there is no such thing as (FREE WILL) free will is an illusion of man, all thing are a result of cause and effect, nothing a man choses is the result of Free will there is only one will that will be done and it will not be mans will at all. Man likes to think he is the captain of his destiny by his so-called free will but nothing could be further from the truth. Free will is simply man trying playing GOD. imo
(42767….if man could change his self by his choices why does he need God to transform him then, Seeing he could do it himself. No where does scripture show God gave man a FREE WILL. He gave him a will but it is far from being FREE. If you could see we only chose from what is already been installed into our thinking and we simply select from the most donimate drive at the time of our expressions It has nothing to do with FREE but the most influencing choice we chose from. Every thing is a matter of CAUSE and EFFECT, Most all scientist and Psychologist all know this. Socrates discovered this 425 B.C. it is call the theory of causality. another words every effect had a cause and has never been disproved yet. WE are caused by GOD to chose His ways thats why it takes a creation for this to happen . I know this goes against the CARNAL MIND, because an wants to think He is a GOD Himself, and really hates the SOVEREIGNTY of GOD> It just irks the carnal mind.. imo
peace…………..gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 01 2008,15:50) GB,
When Jesus said we must DENY OURSELVES and follow him what did he mean?
Nick…Jesus meant exactly what he said, we must deny ourselves, but notice did he say how this is done , NO, because it is done exactly as he did it, by the power of GOD's Spirit, no man can truly deny himself without God causing it to happen. He will with the Spirit of GOD put his (WILL) to DEATH, Just like Jesus did with his will. There is no way a carnal mind can do that. it takes the Spirit of GOD to do it. If man could do it then he could in deed save himself then. You and others continually wan to place a mans salvation in his own hands, and without even realizing it are rejecting GOD and His POWER to SAVE> SADpeace………..gene
Nick….where did i say they (immediately) attain anything , those are your words not mine. WE GROW in GRACE AND KNOWLEDGE, Grow means it is not instant and i never said it was instant either, that just another of you ignorant untruthful statements you make here. And as far as Socrates and others revealing truth and being acknowledged for it, there is a lot of true knowledge that has been discovered since the time of Jesus, and Guess what, it is (TRUE KNOWLEDGE) and truth is truth no matter where it comes from. How do you know if God did not give it to them so it would be known. Who are you to limit what God can do, now or in the future.
God did not want for us to use our “free will” to choose between right and wrong, good and evil, because He did not want for us to know the difference between the two.
Didn't He forbid Adam and Eve to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil so that they would know?Tim
Hi 942767.
Sorry for the delay in answering re this post of yours:What does the following scripture say?
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Act 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and [then] to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.This says (then) to the gentiles, “THAT THEY SHOULD REPENT AND TURN TO GOD, AND DO WORKS MEET FOR REPENTANCE”.
This is from the bible CO I did not interpret what it said. I just posted the scripture.
My answer:
After looking at this scripture you quoted, I did a little more research on this matter, and found a few more in Pauls epistles…
Ro.2:4 …Or are you despising the riches of His kindness and forbearance and patience, being ignorant that the kindness of God is leading you to repentance?
2Cor.7:9-10 …Now I am rejoicing, not that you were made sorry, but that you were made sorry to repentance. For you were made sorry according to God, that in nothing you may suffer forfeit by us.
For sorrow according to God is producing repentance for unregretted salvation, yet the sorrow of the world is producing death.2Tim.2:25 …with meekness training those who are antagonizing, seeing whether God may be giving them repentance to come into a realization of the truth,
Your reply led me to do this research, and thanks to you (although all is of God) I now have gained some knowledge I hadn't had before. Yes, we do have to repent, but as these scripture says, it is not of ourselves, it is God working in us.
I have always believed that all scripture has to agree with these two scriptures:
Ro.11:34-36 …34 For, who knew the mind of the Lord? or, who became His adviser?
35 or, who gives to Him first, and it will be repaid Him?
36 seeing that out of Him and through Him and for Him is all: to Him be the glory for the eons! Amen!And: Eph.1-11 … in Him in Whom our lot was cast also, being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,
And these scriptures do agree.
Thanks 942767,
God Bless.
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