Free Will?

[Not3in1]

I'm praying to God that CO and Gene are right!!! 😉

That's certainly less pressure on me.
It's a much easier Christian life to live!
Less responsibility, it seems?

Mandy

[GeneBalthrop]

Mandy…..Chosenone and I are right we have already been qualified to eternal life by GOD the FATHER through the Blood of Jesus and the effectual working of GOD HIMSELF through His GRACE. If you fail at something simply pray about it and the FATHER will forgive you and cleans you from all SIN, it's ALL a WORK of OUR HEAVENLY FATHER. He has no problem changing us and transforming Us into the image of His dear SON> WE put no confidence in ourselves, but in our Heavenly Father just as Jesus did.

God bless and keep you and yours, love……………..gene

[NickHassan]

GB,
God must become your heavenly Father.
You must be born again.

[chosenone]

Hi Mandy.
I sympathise with you regarding your confusion about salvation. There are 'hundreds', if not more, religious denominations. Why? because they all have a difference of opinion of what is required for salvation. No wonder you are confused, I was once in the same confused condition you are. But thanks to God, He revealed His ways to me, as He will to you and all mankind at some future time.
For many thousands of years, God gave His commands, “The Law”, through Moses, to His chosen people, the “Jews”. Try as they would, they could not 'earn' their salvation by keeping the 'Law'. Even when God sent His prophesied Messiah, Jesus, to them, they did not accept Him, but crucified Him. He (God) then divorced them and turned to the “nations”. We are now now not under the “law”, but under “Grace”, both Jew and Gentile.

Keep the following scripture in your mind at all times…(Eph.2:8-10) … For in grace, through faith, are you saved, and this is not out of you; it is God's approach present,
9 not of works, lest anyone should be boasting.
10 For His achievement are we, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God makes ready beforehand, that we should be walking in them. (look back at this verse …”and this is not out of you.” Remember this one also.

Notice that you are saved by “Grace”, this is entirely of God, freely given, and not refusable. Many will tell you “you must ask, or allow, Gods grace to work in you, This is false teaching, its something “you must do”, Not true… “All is of God” (2Cor.5:18-19), place this scripture in your heart and keep referring to it when someone tells you, “You must do 'this' or 'that'.

I'll leave any further explanations until later,if you have any further questions. In the meantime, keep reading scripture, especially the book of “Ephesians”, and pray for Gods understanding.

Blessings.

[NickHassan]

Hi Mandy,
Prefer the words of the one who is truth.
His teachings are the rock on which the church is built.

[Not3in1]

Thanks, brothers.
Mandy

[GeneBalthrop]

Mandy….Chosenone has spoke the truth, reread what He last posted and never forget it , we are GOD'S workmanship, (CREATED) unto good works. All BY GRACE and NOT of OURSELVES> Even our faith is given to us.

May GOD bless and (KEEP) you……..love to you and yours……………….gene

[942767]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 22 2008,19:55)

Hi 94, John 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

HI Nick:

Because the Lord elects to call us friends, does that mean that we are not his servants?

[NickHassan]

Hi 94,
What he chooses to call his faithful brothers does not make them no longer be his branches.
It just shows he loves and respects them to call them friends.

[942767]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 25 2008,06:44)

Hi 94, What he chooses to call his faithful brothers does not make them no longer be his branches. It just shows he loves and respects them to call them friends.

Yes, but still his servants.

[942767]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Sep. 24 2008,11:35)

I'm praying to God that CO and Gene are right!!!  😉 That's certainly less pressure on me. It's a much easier Christian life to live! Less responsibility, it seems? Mandy

Hi Mandy:

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1Pe 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy [are ye]; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 1Pe 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or [as] a thief, or [as] an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 1Pe 4:16 Yet if [any man suffer] as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 1Pe 4:17 For the time [is come] that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if [it] first [begin] at us, what shall the end [be] of them that obey not the gospel of God? 1Pe 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

[NickHassan]

Hi mandy,
Ignore those who would push over the limping man.
You have delightful faith and will be blessed.

[942767]

Quote (gollamudi @ Sep. 22 2008,18:06)

Quote (942767 @ Sep. 21 2008,06:57) Quote (gollamudi @ Sep. 20 2008,17:34) Hi brother 942767, I want to ask you one question; How Jesus became the Savior of the world that was before his crucifixon and how can he save people who do not get opportunity to know about him even in this present world ? Thanks and peace to you ADAM Hi Adam: Before Jesus advent and minstry on earth, there were those who were striving to obey God.  Enoch before the flood, Noah and his family, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and the nation of Israel under the Law of Moses, and there may be others who were striving to obey God like Job, for example. Although they did not know Jesus, he is the propitiation for their sins.  They were striving to obey God but they made mistakes just as you and I. Now as to the second part of your question, how can save people who do not get the opportunity to know him even in this present world? Our obligation to the world in the present day is to go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.  Whether or not it is conceivable that someone may have not heard the gospel preached to them, I do not know.  In the day of the Apostle Paul, he states: Quote Rom 10:15  And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! Rom 10:16  But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? Rom 10:17  So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom 10:18  But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world. It appears that the Apostle Paul is saying that everyone would have heard the gospel. Anything that I would say as to whether or not God can save someone who has not had the opportunity to hear the gospel would be speculation, but if I would say someone would have had to have been striving to obey God just as Enoch did before the flood, in order to be saved.  I do not believe that anyone who died practicing sin wilfully will be saved. I can, however, give you the following scripture which indicates that the judgment will be less severe on those who were practicing sin and did not know the Lord. This is what the scripture states: Quote Luk 12:45  But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; Luk 12:46  The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for [him], and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. Luk 12:47  And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not [himself], neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many [stripes]. Luk 12:48  But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few [stripes]. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. God Bless Hi brother 942767, I appreciate your kind response to my post. In fact I was expecting that you would say Jesus the Christ also the second Adam is all sufficient for the redemption of all mankind right from first Adam till the end of ages. All O.T saints have not been received the kingdom of heaven so far because the kingdom of heaven was founded by Jesus on the day of Pentecost and it will be established in the millennial rule on this earth. As by one man, the first Adam the sin has entered and brought death and condemnation on all mankind also by one man Jesus the second Adam redemption and forgiveness of sins has been established if they believe in his name. But my question to you was how could the people prior to Jesus believe in his name and get saved ? also how many in this present world are dying without even hearing the name of Jesus how can they be saved if at all only the name of Jesus has to be accepted ? When can all will be saved as mentioned in the bible ? Thanks and peace to you Adam

Hi Adam:

I believe that I have answered your questions. Or at least I have answered them according to my understanding.

Where in the scriptures does it say the following:

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When can all will be saved as mentioned in the bible ?

God Bless

[NickHassan]

Hi Adam,

You ask
“But my question to you was how could the people prior to Jesus believe in his name and get saved ?
also how many in this present world are dying without even hearing the name of Jesus how can they be saved if at all only the name of Jesus has to be accepted ?”

God has given us the way.

The same Spirit spoke through Moses and the prophets and those under the first covenant could find mercy.

From Adam to Moses it was conscience that ruled and as there was no Law, no judgement by the Law.

Sin is contravention of the Law

[NickHassan]

ps
Romans 5:13
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

[gollamudi]

Hi brothers 942767 & Nick,
Thanks for your replies to my queries. I still could not get the answer from you fully.

How the name of Jesus was available to those who died prior to Jesus birth and death on the cross ?

Please take care
Adam

[NickHassan]

Hi GM,
The way of Jesus was opened 2000 years ago.

[942767]

Quote (gollamudi @ Sep. 25 2008,21:55)

Hi brothers 942767 & Nick, Thanks for your replies to my queries. I still could not get the answer from you fully. How the name of Jesus was available to those who died prior to Jesus birth and death on the cross ? Please take care Adam

Hi Adam:

The name of Jesus was not available to those who died before his advent on earth. The whole of the Old Testament symbolically and through various scriptures speak of him and of his coming and sacrifice. Salvation is by Faith whether it is in the OT or in the NT, and so, those who were striving to obey God from the beginning unto the end will be saved. Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of those prior to his coming and for those who come to God through him in the NT.

I am going to paste a few scriptures that may help you to understand:

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Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, [saying], In thee shall all nations be blessed.

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Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. Gal 3:17 And this I say, [that] the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

I Hope this helps.

God Bless

[NickHassan]

Hi 94,
You say
” Salvation is by Faith whether it is in the OT or in the NT, and so, those who were striving to obey God from the beginning unto the end will be saved. '

IS IT WRITTEN THAT STRIVING SAVES US?

We cannot save ourselves.
Be still and know that I am God.
Not by might nor by power but by the Spirit.

[GeneBalthrop]

Nick……..Show us were it is written that striving save us. You own word counteraction you, On the one hand you say it is written that striving saves us, then you say Not by might nor by power but by My Spirit says the eternal. I simply completed what i recall it saying.

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