Free Will?

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Quote (chosenone @ July 15 2010,08:09)

If this simple task is ignored by you, I'll assume you won't take the trouble to prove your accusation, and I will quit corresponding with you!

God Bless, Jerry.

i do not have a will that is free to me to use so i can show you,

but if you would tell me that i have such will that free me to do as i can, then i would make a decision.until then ,,,,,,,

Pierre

July 14, 2010 at 11:27 pm#203885

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Pierre.
Now you are just writing a bunch of nonsense. I now know you can not show me an original post of mine that you say is “twisting scripture”. Since your failure to do so, I would expect an appology for your false accusations, if you fail to do so, I will concider you not worthy of corresponding with.

Jerry.

July 15, 2010 at 12:12 am#203899

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Quote (chosenone @ July 15 2010,10:27)

the fact that you preach predeterminism what is false ,this by itself constitute a twisting of scriptures ,
for the intend to prove your view you have to twist the meaning of God word and break Christ spirit in scriptures.

Pierre

July 15, 2010 at 4:39 am#203925

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Pierre.
Goodbye for good, I am fed up with your false accusations.

Jerry.

July 15, 2010 at 4:50 am#203927

JustAskin

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Terra,

to Jerry: “I don't have a free will to respond to you…but if you say I have a free will then I can do it”

Absolute magic – Bro, that was worthy of even JA…!

July 15, 2010 at 5:45 am#203932

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Quote (JustAskin @ July 15 2010,15:50)

Terra,

to Jerry: “I don't have a free will to respond to you…but if you say I have a free will then I can do it”

Absolute magic – Bro, that was worthy of even JA…!

thanks brother.

Pierre

July 15, 2010 at 2:14 pm#204034

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Quote (terraricca @ July 15 2010,01:25)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 15 2010,00:36)

Terriricca……………YOU mean you can't see you obvious contradictions . You are exactly doing what you quoted, ” ALL are adversaries of God who do there (OWN) WILL out of there (FALSELY ASSUMED) “FREE” WILLS? You gloat in saying you offer scriptures that support you false claims. But Fact is You or anyone else has never produced (ONE) scripture that says a Man Has a “FREE” Will (IN) Him. I don't need all kinds of scripture you can force the text to try to meet your dogmas, Just (ONE) will Do that say a Man Has a “FREE” Will (IN) Him that will suffice.

peace and love……………………..gene

gene

that s another invention of yours ,try to sell your books

it does not lined up with scriptures,

Pierre

Terriaricca………..Then produce the (ONE) Scripture that (SAYS) WE Have a “FREE” WILL (IN) us. Quit dancing around and trying to change subject matters . Just Produce (ONE) Scripture that will Suffice , If you can't then get JA to assist you maybe both of You can put you heads together and Produce (ONE) scripture that say we Have a “FREE” Will (IN) us. Not a bounce of texts you can force to say what you want it to say. Just (ONE) is all that is needed. This should be simple for you and JA seeing you both are so sure we do Have WILLS IN us the are “FREE” of INFLUENCE. Again your both getting the fact that GOD have given us Liberty to exercise our (INFLUENCED) WILLS mixed up with Us Having a “FREE” WILL (IN) Us.

So simple, so clear yet you both can not get it, now that truly is amazing to me.

peace and love…………………….gene

July 15, 2010 at 4:41 pm#204039

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 16 2010,01:14)

Quote (terraricca @ July 15 2010,01:25)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 15 2010,00:36)

peace and love……………………..gene

gene

that s another invention of yours ,try to sell your books

it does not lined up with scriptures,

Pierre

So simple, so clear yet you both can not get it, now that truly is amazing to me.

peace and love…………………….gene

gene

show me first that predeterminism is in the scriptures,

Pierre

July 15, 2010 at 5:46 pm#204040

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Eph.1:11 …in Him in Whom our lot was cast also, being DESIGNATED BEFOREHAND according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,

July 15, 2010 at 7:51 pm#204048

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Terraricca…………….Need More?, now it you turn to Show me One scriptural that say we all Have a “FREE” WILL (IN) us. No more diversion trying to divert from the truth, Just produce the scripture (IF)you can. Or you have no leg to stand on no matter how much you try to force the text to meet you dogmas. IMO

Peace and love…………………..gene

July 15, 2010 at 9:15 pm#204066

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Quote (chosenone @ July 16 2010,11:46)

Eph.1:11 …in Him in Whom our lot was cast also, being DESIGNATED BEFOREHAND according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,

CO ,and gene

not so fast ;what is the words;;
…in Him in Whom our lot was cast also;;stand for??

this is critical

Pierre

July 16, 2010 at 3:08 am#204102

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I see that people are still posting in this topic of their own free will.

July 16, 2010 at 3:13 am#204105

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 16 2010,06:51)

Need More?, now it you turn to Show me One scriptural that say we all Have a “FREE” WILL (IN) us.

Why don't you show me one scripture that says that we have a big toe?

Jesus said, “not my will but your will”.

At least you understand that Jesus was like us. So it is not hard to see that we have a will and God has a will and we can give our will up to do God's will sometimes.

I look forward to your reply if you CHOOSE to do so.

July 16, 2010 at 5:16 am#204172

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So coming back to the question of free choice, and to sum up what we have been saying, we are suggesting that what appears on the surface to be a genuine freedom of decision is in reality not so, but is in fact governed by hidden forces within our very natures—forces that were put there by God Himself when He made humanity what it is—when He created us soulish. A man’s heart may devise his ways, but, when all is said and done, it is the Lord Who directs his steps (Prov.16:9). This direction may be unperceived at the time, but is there nevertheless.

It was there in the case of Jacob and Esau, whose future actions were decided before they were born, in order that God’s purpose might “remain as a choice, not out of acts, but of Him Who is calling” (Rom.9:11).

It was there in the case of Pharaoh, who, unknown to himself, was roused up for the specific purpose that God might display His power in him (Rom.9:17).

It was there in the case of humanity in general—vessels of indignation, made by God for dishonor, and adapted by Him for destruction. it is the Divine Potter Who makes them thus (Rom.9: 21,22).

It is there in the case of the ecclesia, vessels of mercy, made ready before for glory, in whom God is operating “both to will as well as to work for the sake of His delight” (Rom.9:23; Phil.2: 13).

It is there in the case of creation itself, subjected to vanity, “not voluntarily, but because of Him Who subjects it” (Rom.8:20). Creation cannot help itself, that all its achievements are futile because of the slavery of corruption, but we take immense comfort from the fact that, in spite of all its present “groaning and travailing,” it was subjected to vanity in expectation of the eventual realization of that glorious freedom which is now already being enjoyed by the children of God.

It is in the prison epistle of Paul to the Ephesians that we find the most absolute expression of the deity of God in relation to the points we have been considering. Here we find the phrase which puts all other scriptures into their perspective. “According to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will” (1:11).

God is the captain of the ship of the universe; all His creatures are its passengers. He is guiding the vessel across the ocean of time from the port that is called “All in God” to the haven that is termed “God in all.”

The passengers have wills of their own, but only as much freedom of choice as their Captain permits, which, in the absolute sense, is no freedom at all, since at all times he remains in full command. He may allow them to wander seemingly unhindered about the ship, but even so there are parts of the vessel where they are not allowed to go, and many things which they are not allowed to do. And all the time they are being carried along inevitably wherever the ship takes them—that is, wherever the Captain directs. When the ship goes wherever they want to go, they feel free, but the moment that it starts to move toward a place where they do not want to go, they know immediately that they are not free at all. But, since they are on the ship, they are under the absolute control of the Captain.

And so it is with creation. It had no choice even as to which ship it should join, or whereabouts on the ship it would find itself, nor has it any say in the direction the ship is taking. For much of its journey it is allowed to think that it is working out its own destiny, but sooner or later it is brought inexorably to the conclusion that God is in control and “is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will.” Thus it eventually grows into a “realization of God.” Blessed indeed are those who grow into this realization sooner rather than later.

“All is of God,” says Paul in Corinthians. “The One Who is operating all,” he says in Ephesians. If God is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will, can there be another free will in the universe? Can there be two Gods?

“Thou shalt have no other gods before Me,” wrote Moses at God’s dictation. “To us,” says Paul, “there is one God, the Father, out of Whom all is.”

When we have fully grasped the import of these great truths, we shall no longer say “I,” or “I and God,” or even “God and I,” but simply and solely, and majestically, “God.”

His deity will then be fully recognized and acknowledged.

copied from “The Concordant Publishin Concern”

God Bless, Jerry.

July 16, 2010 at 3:56 pm#204269

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Chosenone……..Amen, Amen, Amen , to that post bother. My hole is that all will come to see and understand this to.

peace and love to you and yours…………………gene

July 16, 2010 at 4:00 pm#204270

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Quote (t8 @ July 16 2010,14:13)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 16 2010,06:51)

Need More?, now it you turn to Show me One scriptural that say we all Have a “FREE” WILL (IN) us.

Why don't you show me one scripture that says that we have a big toe?

Jesus said, “not my will but your will”.

At least you understand that Jesus was like us. So it is not hard to see that we have a will and God has a will and we can give our will up to do God's will sometimes.

I look forward to your reply if you CHOOSE to do so.

T8………No one is saying we do not have a WILL (IN) Us we are saying that Will Is (NOT) a “FREE” Will, again you are confusing God allowing us Liberty to a point to exercise our Wills as Us having a “FREE” Will in us. that is the only point where are taking about here brother.

peace and love to you and yours………….gene

July 16, 2010 at 4:12 pm#204272

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 17 2010,09:56)

Chosenone……..Amen, Amen, Amen , to that post bother. My hole is that all will come to see and understand this to.

peace and love to you and yours…………………gene

gene and CO

you making God guilty of corruption and wickedness ,this is not possible.

this is the devil will ,not a Christ way to do,

but how would you know you do not have a brain that allows you to thing ,it is preset on your own way controlled by your own way,and fulfill your own way.

Pierre

July 16, 2010 at 8:47 pm#204294

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Scripture does not lie!!!

July 16, 2010 at 8:52 pm#204296