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Hi SF.
You say…Quote Those that are drawn chosen by the Father to be drawn to Jesus, are already 'Willing'. That is why they are chosen. Even Judas, even though he also had alterior motives, and this was foreknown by God that it should occur just as He had prophesied.
This statement does not agree with scripture, see Eph.2:8-10… 8 For in grace, through faith, are you saved, and this is not out of you; it is God's approach present,
9 not of works, lest anyone should be boasting.
10 For His achievement are we, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God makes ready beforehand, that we should be walking in them.Notice “and this is not out of you”. And also “For His achievement are we”.
Nowhere in scripture does it say… Those that are drawn chosen by the Father to be drawn to Jesus, are already 'Willing'.
God Bless, Jerry.
Quote (chosenone @ July 10 2010,17:04) Hi SF.
You say…Quote Those that are drawn chosen by the Father to be drawn to Jesus, are already 'Willing'. That is why they are chosen. Even Judas, even though he also had alterior motives, and this was foreknown by God that it should occur just as He had prophesied.
This statement does not agree with scripture, see Eph.2:8-10… 8 For in grace, through faith, are you saved, and this is not out of you; it is God's approach present,
9 not of works, lest anyone should be boasting.
10 For His achievement are we, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God makes ready beforehand, that we should be walking in them.Notice “and this is not out of you”. And also “For His achievement are we”.
Nowhere in scripture does it say… Those that are drawn chosen by the Father to be drawn to Jesus, are already 'Willing'.
God Bless, Jerry.
COnow pay attention; which God makes ready beforehand, that we should be walking in them
you see the word SHOULD this is decision freely taken by the one who are willing.to walk in the way of Christ
Pierre
Quote (chosenone @ July 10 2010,11:04) Hi SF.
You say…Quote Those that are drawn chosen by the Father to be drawn to Jesus, are already 'Willing'. That is why they are chosen. Even Judas, even though he also had alterior motives, and this was foreknown by God that it should occur just as He had prophesied.
This statement does not agree with scripture, see Eph.2:8-10… 8 For in grace, through faith, are you saved, and this is not out of you; it is God's approach present,
9 not of works, lest anyone should be boasting.
10 For His achievement are we, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God makes ready beforehand, that we should be walking in them.Notice “and this is not out of you”. And also “For His achievement are we”.
Nowhere in scripture does it say… Those that are drawn chosen by the Father to be drawn to Jesus, are already 'Willing'.
God Bless, Jerry.
Co,First of all, your qouteing the wrong person.
You mean to say JA,I however did not post that.
What i said is that its common sense about what a WILL is.
And i was speaking to gene fyi.Jerry, we meet again. Welcome back, I 'missed you' (Matrix part 2)
The same old same old.
'Everyone of us will be saved'!
This exposes a rock solid fear and fundamental lack of understanding of God, Jesus, Jesus' testimony and Scriptures, to boot!
Did you EVER reply to my question of 'If we are all to be saved, what is the point of doing good?' ?
Hi JA.
Quote Did you EVER reply to my question of 'If we are all to be saved, what is the point of doing good? Answer… So why are you doing good, just to be saved? Don't tell me you would choose to do evil if there was no salvation?
Blessings, Jerry.Hi again JA.
Quote 'Everyone of us will be saved'! This exposes a rock solid fear and fundamental lack of understanding of God, Jesus, Jesus' testimony and Scriptures, to boot!
1Tim.4:9-10… 9 Faithful is the saying and worthy of all welcome
10 (for for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of believers.1Cor.15:22… 22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified.
1Tim.2:4… 4 Who wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth.
Phil.2:10-11… 10 that in the name of Jesus every knee should be bowing, celestial and terrestrial and subterranean,
11 and every tongue should be acclaiming that Jesus Christ is Lord, for the glory of God, the Father.Ro.14:11… 11 for it is written: Living am I, the Lord is saying, For to Me shall bow every knee, And every tongue shall be acclaiming God!
These scriptures not in your bible?
Blessings, Jerry.
Quote (terraricca @ July 10 2010,17:11) Quote (chosenone @ July 10 2010,17:04) Hi SF.
You say…Quote Those that are drawn chosen by the Father to be drawn to Jesus, are already 'Willing'. That is why they are chosen. Even Judas, even though he also had alterior motives, and this was foreknown by God that it should occur just as He had prophesied.
This statement does not agree with scripture, see Eph.2:8-10… 8 For in grace, through faith, are you saved, and this is not out of you; it is God's approach present,
9 not of works, lest anyone should be boasting.
10 For His achievement are we, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God makes ready beforehand, that we should be walking in them.Notice “and this is not out of you”. And also “For His achievement are we”.
Nowhere in scripture does it say… Those that are drawn chosen by the Father to be drawn to Jesus, are already 'Willing'.
God Bless, Jerry.
COnow pay attention; which God makes ready beforehand, that we should be walking in them
you see the word SHOULD this is decision freely taken by the one who are willing.to walk in the way of Christ
Pierre
terraricca.
You don't seem to understand the sentence, the “should” in that sentence refers to the boasting. I realise you are not too familiar with the English language, but you shouldn't accuse what you don't understand.God Bless, Jerry.
Terra,
I think Chosenone has joined the ranks of the new age “Despararians” who specialise in quoting verses out of context for their own ends.
But, like a scratched CD, the 'error Correction algorithm' (The Holy Spirit) of the CD player (The Godly Reader) catches the skips and slips and correct the errors before presenting to the output device (The Mind) so we never knew there WAS AN error.
You correctly discerned by the holy Spirit, brother, that Chosenone had ERRORed and presented the Correction.
Quote (JustAskin @ July 12 2010,12:07) Terra, I think Chosenone has joined the ranks of the new age “Despararians” who specialise in quoting verses out of context for their own ends.
But, like a scratched CD, the 'error Correction algorithm' (The Holy Spirit) of the CD player (The Godly Reader) catches the skips and slips and correct the errors before presenting to the output device (The Mind) so we never knew there WAS AN error.
You correctly discerned by the holy Spirit, brother, that Chosenone had ERRORed and presented the Correction.
JAthanks but i know CO for what he stand s for ,we have establish our borders already,
he lives in confusion but many like to be in there, they like to believe that so they have a edge on you,what a waist.
Pierre
Hi JA.
Quote You correctly discerned by the holy Spirit, brother, that Chosenone had ERRORed and presented the Correction.
It seems you and terraricca are cut from the same mold. Both of you accuse me but never show any posts of mine that you say is “scripture twisted” or “biblicaly untrue”. You are bearing “false wittness” as well.
I think in Pauls epistles to Timothy describes you this way… “O Timothy, that which is committed to you, guard, turning aside from the profane prattlings and antipathies of falsely named “knowledge,”
(namely, accusations about my “twisted scripture”.)Jerry.
Chosenone…………You have stated it right, if they have any scriptural contradictions then they need to post it, But they continually fail to which only show they have no idea what they are saying in this matter. All who believe we have a “FREE” WILL (IN) Us need to post scripture that shows that instead of making false insinuations without any scripture to support then false accusations. I have yet to see ONE posted. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………gene
Gene,
Even as you dismiss “FREE WILL you Exercise it – and So do those who don't post back to your question.
Explain then which “Will” decides to answer you OR NOT, to Post Scriptures OR NOT?
Explain to me what “WILL” and “FREE WILL” is not please… to me – I don't care what you have said to another – to JUSTASKIN. (p.s. Do I not remember declaring my point and position on this – do you claim that JustAskin dis not show Scriptural 'proof' – do you seek “EXACT Wording”? I'm tempted to write “FOOL” but that is against the Forum Rules apparently.
JA………Wrong i dismiss it because i am Influenced by the Spirit of truth from GOD. Nothing “FREE” about it, again you getting Liberty to exercise our (INFLUENCED) Wills mixed up with Us have a Will the is “FREE” (IN) Us. Why would you even want a Will that was FREE from GOD anyway. You and others who advocate this myth have yet to produce (ONE) scripture that say Man Has a “FREE” Will (IN) HIM. Produce that and you have won your point.
peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
Gene,
Even if I posted a verse you would dismiss it.Mikeboll said he would stop all this baloney about “Begotten” if he were shown truth but EVERY DAY(figuratively) for the past four months (generous guess) and in many threads and with almost everyone against him, he continues. Same as ChoseNone, Same as Arnold same as WJ and KJ same as EDJ and Rokkaman same as Bod. Only Karmarie has changed her view – and for the better (Applause for her please…! for there is more joy in heaven for even one who turns to God than 100 thousand others who do not require turning)
Others have shown you the Scriptures but you dismissed them just as swifty as you requested them.
Proof is no proof to the reproverJA ……..When are you going to start addressing what is Posted instead of going down some rabbit trail that goes to no where? Is trying to belittle a person who hold opposite views to you productive, we can all do that but good form require Honest answers not some insults . Please show where i have dismissed any scripture that say we Have a FREE WILL (IN) Us , fact is you or no one else has produced it either.
peace and love………………..gene
Quote (terraricca @ July 12 2010,16:23) Quote (JustAskin @ July 12 2010,12:07) Terra, I think Chosenone has joined the ranks of the new age “Despararians” who specialise in quoting verses out of context for their own ends.
But, like a scratched CD, the 'error Correction algorithm' (The Holy Spirit) of the CD player (The Godly Reader) catches the skips and slips and correct the errors before presenting to the output device (The Mind) so we never knew there WAS AN error.
You correctly discerned by the holy Spirit, brother, that Chosenone had ERRORed and presented the Correction.
JAthanks but i know CO for what he stand s for ,we have establish our borders already,
he lives in confusion but many like to be in there, they like to believe that so they have a edge on you,what a waist.
Pierre
terraricca.
You and JA seem to delight in slandering me with statements such as these…Quote who specialise in quoting verses out of context for their own ends.
But never quote an example of this accusation. (because there is none) An outright LIE.And you terraricca say…
Quote thanks but i know CO for what he stand s for ,we have establish our borders already, he lives in confusion but many like to be in there, they like to believe that so they have a edge on you,what a waist.
And you also will never state anything I have said that shows what you have just accused me of. You are “false wittnessing”, just plain “LYING”. Like JA, I find it of no use to continue corresponding with you, because of the lies and untruths you accuse me of, which when asked to show proof, are ignored.God Bless, and goodbye, Jerry.
Quote (chosenone @ July 14 2010,16:22) Quote (terraricca @ July 12 2010,16:23) Quote (JustAskin @ July 12 2010,12:07) Terra, I think Chosenone has joined the ranks of the new age “Despararians” who specialise in quoting verses out of context for their own ends.
But, like a scratched CD, the 'error Correction algorithm' (The Holy Spirit) of the CD player (The Godly Reader) catches the skips and slips and correct the errors before presenting to the output device (The Mind) so we never knew there WAS AN error.
You correctly discerned by the holy Spirit, brother, that Chosenone had ERRORed and presented the Correction.
JAthanks but i know CO for what he stand s for ,we have establish our borders already,
he lives in confusion but many like to be in there, they like to believe that so they have a edge on you,what a waist.
Pierre
terraricca.
You and JA seem to delight in slandering me with statements such as these…Quote who specialise in quoting verses out of context for their own ends.
But never quote an example of this accusation. (because there is none) An outright LIE.And you terraricca say…
Quote thanks but i know CO for what he stand s for ,we have establish our borders already, he lives in confusion but many like to be in there, they like to believe that so they have a edge on you,what a waist.
And you also will never state anything I have said that shows what you have just accused me of. You are “false wittnessing”, just plain “LYING”. Like JA, I find it of no use to continue corresponding with you, because of the lies and untruths you accuse me of, which when asked to show proof, are ignored.God Bless, and goodbye, Jerry.
COhere is your answers;;
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COIsa 54:15 Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me: whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall for thy sake.
Isa 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.
Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.i do not see what you say ,that God created Satan;
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things
this just shows God saying he made light and so made darkness;this is obvious enough.
now he says he make peace and by doing so he as create evil,this is also obvious enough .your interpretation is wrong i have never see this before this as nothing the do with Satan.
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
Isa 46:11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.
Isa 46:12 Hearken unto me, ye stouthearted, that are far from righteousness:this verses as nothing to do with the interpretation you are given it,
of cause God does what he wants but for a reason and it is explain in the fallowing verse,why do you only read part of a verse to twisted to your own mind.Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Eph 1:8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
Eph 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
Eph 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Eph 1:15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
Eph 1:16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;in this verses you quote is the truth spell out clearly ,why so you cut it up for the purpose of your own mind.??god purpose was to save men from the beginning and use his son to fulfil it.SO ?
counsel means advise it also obvious that God give advice .God will ,will always be done, with us accepting is grace or not, the effect will be only to us because we did not accepted so we die,but if we accepted we live ,this is were there is a difference.
but we are free to chose.that s a fact.and it is our will to do it ,all is of God ,what that statement as to do with free will ,God as created all things do not know that much ? he also as created as free to chose between good and evil. so if we have a choice we have free will.
if not then we are robots and fallow orders as per the buttons are pushed.as for your comment “save yourselves” just because we have free will ,we are not saved this is ridiculous to think that .
Christ said ;there are two doors a big one and a small one did he not say that we can pick which door we want to go through,if you can not chose why making two doors??
think about it free will is only direct related to our responsibility of choice between serving God or not.
I CAN NOT SAY IT ANY BETTER SO THAT 'S IT ,IT IS UP TO YOU TO UNDERSTAND IT.YOU ARE FREE IN YOUR WILL (DESISION)
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PierreQuote (terraricca @ July 15 2010,00:02) Quote (chosenone @ July 14 2010,16:22) Quote (terraricca @ July 12 2010,16:23) Quote (JustAskin @ July 12 2010,12:07) Terra, I think Chosenone has joined the ranks of the new age “Despararians” who specialise in quoting verses out of context for their own ends.
But, like a scratched CD, the 'error Correction algorithm' (The Holy Spirit) of the CD player (The Godly Reader) catches the skips and slips and correct the errors before presenting to the output device (The Mind) so we never knew there WAS AN error.
You correctly discerned by the holy Spirit, brother, that Chosenone had ERRORed and presented the Correction.
JAthanks but i know CO for what he stand s for ,we have establish our borders already,
he lives in confusion but many like to be in there, they like to believe that so they have a edge on you,what a waist.
Pierre
terraricca.
You and JA seem to delight in slandering me with statements such as these…Quote who specialise in quoting verses out of context for their own ends.
But never quote an example of this accusation. (because there is none) An outright LIE.And you terraricca say…
Quote thanks but i know CO for what he stand s for ,we have establish our borders already, he lives in confusion but many like to be in there, they like to believe that so they have a edge on you,what a waist.
And you also will never state anything I have said that shows what you have just accused me of. You are “false wittnessing”, just plain “LYING”. Like JA, I find it of no use to continue corresponding with you, because of the lies and untruths you accuse me of, which when asked to show proof, are ignored.God Bless, and goodbye, Jerry.
COhere is your answers;;
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COIsa 54:15 Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me: whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall for thy sake.
Isa 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.
Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.i do not see what you say ,that God created Satan;
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things
this just shows God saying he made light and so made darkness;this is obvious enough.
now he says he make peace and by doing so he as create evil,this is also obvious enough .your interpretation is wrong i have never see this before this as nothing the do with Satan.
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
Isa 46:11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.
Isa 46:12 Hearken unto me, ye stouthearted, that are far from righteousness:this verses as nothing to do with the interpretation you are given it,
of cause God does what he wants but for a reason and it is explain in the fallowing verse,why do you only read part of a verse to twisted to your own mind.Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Eph 1:8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
Eph 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
Eph 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Eph 1:15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
Eph 1:16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;in this verses you quote is the truth spell out clearly ,why so you cut it up for the purpose of your own mind.??god purpose was to save men from the beginning and use his son to fulfil it.SO ?
counsel means advise it also obvious that God give advice .God will ,will always be done, with us accepting is grace or not, the effect will be only to us because we did not accepted so we die,but if we accepted we live ,this is were there is a difference.
but we are free to chose.that s a fact.and it is our will to do it ,all is of God ,what that statement as to do with free will ,God as created all things do not know that much ? he also as created as free to chose between good and evil. so if we have a choice we have free will.
if not then we are robots and fallow orders as per the buttons are pushed.as for your comment “save yourselves” just because we have free will ,we are not saved this is ridiculous to think that .
Christ said ;there are two doors a big one and a small one did he not say that we can pick which door we want to go through,if you can not chose why making two doors??
think about it free will is only direct related to our responsibility of choice between serving God or not.
I CAN NOT SAY IT ANY BETTER SO THAT 'S IT ,IT IS UP TO YOU TO UNDERSTAND IT.YOU ARE FREE IN YOUR WILL (DESISION)
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CO and genethis are your answers;;Quote (te
rraricca @ Feb. 09 2010,04:23)
geneyou have not answered my questions on my quote,
you reffer to the wrong story,;please answer those questions
Christ was doing God will ,out of his freewill.
Satan was doing his selves will ,out of his freewill.both are and were in heaven,before the father.
two influences i only see one ,influence that is God ,were was the influence of Satan ??
terraricca………I offer Scripture, you offer a story of your assumptions, Show us where it says Jesus out of His own “FREE” WILL, was doing GOD'S WILL. that is an assumption on your part but not scripture show us that.
All are adversaries of GOD who do there (OWN) Will out of there falsely assumed “FREE” WILLS>
those scriptures Gene refers to are cuts of scriptures to justify is misleading views,just like you do CO.
Pierre
Terriricca……………YOU mean you can't see you obvious contradictions . You are exactly doing what you quoted, ” ALL are adversaries of God who do there (OWN) WILL out of there (FALSELY ASSUMED) “FREE” WILLS? You gloat in saying you offer scriptures that support you false claims. But Fact is You or anyone else has never produced (ONE) scripture that says a Man Has a “FREE” Will (IN) Him. I don't need all kinds of scripture you can force the text to try to meet your dogmas, Just (ONE) will Do that say a Man Has a “FREE” Will (IN) Him that will suffice.
peace and love……………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 15 2010,00:36) Terriricca……………YOU mean you can't see you obvious contradictions . You are exactly doing what you quoted, ” ALL are adversaries of God who do there (OWN) WILL out of there (FALSELY ASSUMED) “FREE” WILLS? You gloat in saying you offer scriptures that support you false claims. But Fact is You or anyone else has never produced (ONE) scripture that says a Man Has a “FREE” Will (IN) Him. I don't need all kinds of scripture you can force the text to try to meet your dogmas, Just (ONE) will Do that say a Man Has a “FREE” Will (IN) Him that will suffice. peace and love……………………..gene
genethat s another invention of yours ,try to sell your books
it does not lined up with scriptures,
Pierre
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