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Pierre, I can see why you would not see it with your translation.
I noticed that some translations say 'of thy brothers the prophets' and others do not.So I can also see how most will have trouble with seeing this.
God Bless
MarlinQuote (Marlin1 @ Feb. 19 2012,10:28) Quote Hi Marlin, Rev.22:9 doesn't say he was a man? More likely he was a Angel.
Define: Brethren
adelphos {ad-el-fos'} ajdelfovß from 1 (as a connective particle) and delphus (the womb); TDNT — 1:144,22; n mAV — brother (346)
1) a brother
2) having the same national ancestor, belonging to the same people, or countryman
3) any fellow or man
4) a fellow believer, united to another by the bond of affection
5) an associate in employment or office
6) brethren in ChristDefine Prophet
prophetes {prof-ay'-tace} profhvthß from a compound of 4253 and 5346; TDNT — 6:781,952; n mAV — prophet (149)
1) in Greek writings, an interpreter of oracles or of other hidden things
2) one who, moved by the Spirit of God and hence his organ or spokesman, solemnly declares to men what he has received by inspiration, especially concerning future events, and in particular such as relate to the cause and kingdom of God and to human salvation.
2a) the O.T. prophets, having foretold the kingdom, deeds and death, of Jesus the Messiah.
2b) of John the Baptist, the herald of Jesus the Messiah
2c) of the illustrious prophet, the Jews expected before the advent of the Messiah
2d) the Messiah
2e) of men filled with the Spirit of God, who by God's authority and command in words of weight pleads the cause of God and urges salvation of men.Tell us Ed, which of the two above can be interpreted as an angel?
Marlin
Hi Marlin,Rev 22:8-9 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen,
I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel(G32) which showed me these things.
Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant(G4889), and of thy
brethren(G80) the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.G32: ἄγγελος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: aggelos
Phonetic Spelling: (ang'-el-os)
Short Definition: an angel, messenger
Definition: a messenger, generally a (supernatural)
messenger from God, an angel, conveying news or behests from God to men.G4889: σύνδουλος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sundoulos
Phonetic Spelling: (soon'-doo-los)
Short Definition: a fellow servant, colleague
Definition: a fellow slave, fellow servant; of Christians: a fellow worker, colleague.G80: ἀδελφός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: adelphos
Phonetic Spelling: (ad-el-fos')
Short Definition: a brother
Definition: a brother, member of the same religious community, especially a fellow-Christian.To say: Rev.22:9 is conclusive that he was a man is FALSE!
Instead is far more likely that this is a Spirit Angel .God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 18 2012,15:57) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 19 2012,05:16) Hi MB,
Still trying to make scripture argue with scripture.
Let it teach you.
Submit
Hi Nick,That's a good observation. I thought Mike might be
trying to make a point, but perhaps he just likes to debate.
Why? Why would you and Nick try to AVOID the point I'm making by making this about me “arguing with scriptures” or “liking to debate”?Is this your “last resort” because you can't address the actual SCRIPTURES I've posted?
Will you both please just DIRECTLY answer my bolded question at the top of page 22?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 19 2012,08:06) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 18 2012,12:16) Hi MB,
Still trying to make scripture argue with scripture.
Let it teach you.
Submit
Scriptures don't argue with scripture, Nick.(1)Is there literally only ONE kurios in existence like Paul says? Or (2)are there many kurios in existence like Paul says?
I know the answer, do you? What is your answer, Nick?
Hi Mike, thanks for the invite.Your attempts to make Jesus 'a god' is futile!
Is there a God beside me? yea,
there is no God; I know not any. (Isaiah 44:8)
“The word”(ho Logos) is the HolySpirit; face the FACTS!1) Yea, there is ONLY one owner of Creation.
2) Yea, there are many “masters” here on Earth.2 Corinthians 1:20:
“For all the promises of God in him are yea,
and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.”2 Corinthians 1:17-18 When I therefore was thus minded, did I use lightness? or the things that I purpose,
do I purpose according to the flesh, that with me there should be yea yea, and nay nay?
But as God is true, our word toward you was not (ONLY) yea and nay.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 19 2012,08:43) 1) Yea, there is ONLY one owner of Creation.
2) Yea, there are many “masters” here on Earth.
Hmmm………..If I recall, you earlier said that Jehovah is the ONLY “owner-lord”, and Jesus is the ONLY “master-lord”. But now you seem to be acknowledging OTHER master/lords.
How do you explain this inconsistency, Ed?
Hi Mike,
1Cor.8:5-6 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth,
(as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of
whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by himGod bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgWhy are they games, Nick? Scripture says there is one god, and scripture says there are many gods.
Scripture says there is one lord, and scripture says there are many lords.
I know how to understand what you call “scripture arguing with scripture”. I'm trying to show it to you and Ed. Why fight me on it? I haven't posted anything but scripture so far – so why fight me?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2012,10:50) Hi MB,
Why would we play these games with you?
GENEwen you play games with scriptures you are playing with your live,
the word of God is no game ,this many will find out at there own expense
Hi MB,
Either you wish to advertise your confusion and do not wish to resolve it or you want to waste time.It is not me who is confused Nick, but you and Ed. Here, I'll prove it to you:
Nick, how many lords are there in existence? Scripture says “one”, and scripture says “many”. How many are there, Nick?
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 19 2012,16:37) Quote (Marlin1 @ Feb. 19 2012,16:24) Quote Rev 19:10 At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Did you know that this angel was a Man?
Rev 22:9Marlin
MarlinQuote Pierre, I can see why you would not see it with your translation.
I noticed that some translations say 'of thy brothers the prophets' and others do not. can you ?but if those words are there or not that does not change anything or does it
you do not believe in scriptures do you ???Rev 19:9 Then the angel said to me, “Write:
DO YOU SEE THE WORD “ANGEL”
?? Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 20 2012,04:07) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2012,10:50) Hi MB,
Why would we play these games with you?
GENEwen you play games with scriptures you are playing with your live,
the word of God is no game ,this many will find out at there own expense
Good stuff t,
Some demand more attention this way.Pierre,
I am truly sorry that you can not see it. That is just fine.
It is understood by most that the angels to the churches in Revelation 2 and 3 are men.
God Bless
MarlinNick? The bolded question? It seems to me you were about to show me how confused and attention-starved I am.
I'm waiting.
Quote (Marlin1 @ Feb. 20 2012,17:36) Pierre, I am truly sorry that you can not see it. That is just fine.
It is understood by most that the angels to the churches in Revelation 2 and 3 are men.
God Bless
Marlin
Marlinare all angels man???
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