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Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 05 2010,01:47) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 04 2010,21:29) Hi Tim, Sin is an action, not just merely a thought!
Why do ‘you’ believe the exact opposite?Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed: I have never found a list of sins in the Bible.Please give me the list of sins that would condemn me before God and where it is found in the Bible(New testament)!
Thoughts always come to mind before an action takes place. Action is the manifestation of the thoughts that were being incubated.
Thanks, TK
Hi Tim Kraft,That is probably because you never looked! Here is your list…
The Law was Repeated in the New Testament
1. Do not have other gods (Mt 4:10)
2. Do not have idols (Ac 17:29, 1Jn 5:21)
3. Do not misuse the Lord's name (1Ti 6:1)
4. Keep the 7th-day Sabbath holy (Mk 2:27,28, Lk 4:16)
5. Honor your parents (Mt 19:19)
6. Do not kill (Mt 19:18, Ro 13:9)
7. Do not commit adultery (Mt 19:18, Ro 13:9)
8. Do not steal (Mt 19:18, Ro 13:9)
9. Do not give false testimony (Mt 19:18, Ro 13:9)
10. Do not covet (Ro 7:7, Ro 13:9)The Law was Amplified in the New Testament
The law is focused around love. (Mt 22:36-40 compare Lev 19:18 and Dt 6:5)
Commandments 1-4 define our relationship of love to G-d.
Commandments 5-10 define our relationship of love to other people.
Lust is adultery. (Mt 5:27,28, 2Pe 2:14,15)
Hate is murder. (Mt 5:21,22, 1Jn 3:15)
Fornication, uncleaness, covetousness, and other lusts are idolatry. (Col 3:5 compare Ro 7:7)Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Nov. 04 2010,16:02) Hi Mike, I enjoy discoursing with you, brother Mike! (sounds like gollamudi would say; huh?)
A) If they were searching the woods looking for the body and someone
found a leg sticking out of the mud, he would definitely shout: here HE is!B) No; it means YHVH was with Moshe, but was inside Jesus.
C) Would you deny that your intellect was you?
D) Though the HolySpirit is both credited with the conception(Matt.1:18,20 Luke 1:35)
and called God(Acts 5:5); yet this seems to trouble you?E) HolySpirit is “GOD: The Father” of Jesus Christ! (Click Here)
1Cor.2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?
even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.F) Please define for us all what ‘un-scriptural reasoning’ is?
G) This is an easy one!
John 6:63 …the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. John 17:3
Hi Ed.a. Answer MY scenario Ed. The one where you are cut in pieces.
b. Why the difference?
c. Yes. My intellect is MY INTELLECT. It is not “ME”. My heart is not “ME”. The separate parts of my body by themselves are not “ME”.
d. Answer to Acts 5:9
e. No, the Holy Spirit is OF God.
f. A reasoning that scripture clearly refute. For example, saying Jesus is God Almighty, when scriptures clearly refute this idea.
g. John 5:24 please. Who is “the word of Jesus”?
peace and love,
mikeQuote (Ed J @ Nov. 04 2010,16:18) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 04 2010,16:02) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 04 2010,14:29) No Ed, it is NOT “ME”. It is a “part OF me”. (A)If you were cut into pieces, and people were picking up your various body parts, would the man who found your right leg say, “I found Ed………here HE is!”? No, he would say, “I found one OF Ed's legs”.
Hi Mike,A) If they were searching the woods looking for the body and someone
found a leg sticking out of the mud, he would definitely shout: here HE is!
Hi Mike,Hey, what wrong with you guys, that leg is of him!
Why are you incorrectly telling me you found him!HA Ha ha ha ha ha!!!!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
No, “That is only his leg…………where is the rest of HIM?”
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 04 2010,17:29) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 04 2010,14:35) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 01 2010,21:42) THE REAL QUESTION is… “The Son can do nothing of himself”
How does this point (↑) in John 5:24 square with this point (↓) in John 15:20
“The Word that I said unto you”Jesus cannot be “The Word” in John 15:20, because that would nullify John 5:24.
In more term then: if “The Word” is not Jesus, then why do you say he is?
Please keep the focus of your explanation only on “only” these two points.
Yes Ed. I got the point the first time and clearly answered it.(1)You think because the word “word” is used as being the “words God spoke” then it must ALWAYS mean only that.
(2) I'm telling you that “word of God” can mean either God's words that He spoke…………OR………Jesus Christ, who has the title of “Word of God” because he is God's spokesman.
(3)Jesus speaks about his “word” in 5:24. Is Jesus saying “my word” as in “take my word for it”, or is their another “being” who is “the Word of Jesus”?
Hi Mike,1) When Jesus says God's words are life,
should we always assume this to be true?2) I'm telling you that “The Word” of God can either mean God's “HolySpirit” or “The Bible”.
3) Was it not the “HolySpirit” that sent Jesus? (Acts 10:36-37 / Luke 4:14)
When I give you Bible references, do you even take the time to look them up?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
1. Yes2. I know. But you are mistaken, because the Word BECAME flesh and had the glory…….not of God, but of someone who was begotten by God.
3. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit OF God. So when scripture says, “he was led by the Spirit”, they mean God used His Spirit to lead Jesus. And yes, I check every referrence.
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 04 2010,17:53) 5) You seem to keep rejecting the answers I give you?
Give scriptural answers Ed. And it would help if you could read “Spirit OF God” and understand it means “Spirit OF God”, and not “God the Spirit” or whatever.Look, I'll take any point as far as I can with you, but when it starts coming down to the scripture clearly saying “Black”, but you insisting it really says “Purple and Black”, that's when I will stop.
We are at this very point on most of the issues we've discussed.
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 04 2010,20:02) Hey Mike: Could you give me a definition of what Holy means? I've never heard of a holy animal. What would that mean?
What god are you following? The true God of the new testament, our father as revealed by Jesus who gave us the truth gave us no such instructions.
Why would you choose to follow the old way that was in sin and darkness? The two covenants don't mix. Either accept the new way of spirit/words of Jesus by faith or remain in the old law and temple worship with works, rituals and sacrifices for cleanliness.
Bless you, TK
Hi Tim,Pierre excellently answered the “holy animal” question for you. And I hope these scriptures will enlighten you on the fact that although there is a new covenant, it doesn't mean the OT is “useless” to us.
Matthew 5:17 NIV
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”Romans 3:31 NIV
Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.I wish you wouldn't just abandon the OT. It was ONLY the OT that Paul spoke of when he said,
16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
The only “scripture” there was when Paul wrote this letter was the OT. The letters of Paul and the others were not considered “scripture” at that time.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (Ed J @ Nov. 04 2010,21:29) Hi Tim, Sin is an action, not just merely a thought!
Why do ‘you’ believe the exact opposite?Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Not always Ed.Matthew 5:28
But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.peace and love,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 05 2010,14:15) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 04 2010,16:02) Hi Mike, I enjoy discoursing with you, brother Mike! (sounds like gollamudi would say; huh?)
A) If they were searching the woods looking for the body and someone
found a leg sticking out of the mud, he would definitely shout: here HE is!B) No; it means YHVH was with Moshe, but was inside Jesus.
C) Would you deny that your intellect was you?
D) Though the HolySpirit is both credited with the conception(Matt.1:18,20 Luke 1:35)
and called God(Acts 5:5); yet this seems to trouble you?E) HolySpirit is “GOD: The Father” of Jesus Christ! (Click Here)
1Cor.2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?
even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.F) Please define for us all what ‘un-scriptural reasoning’ is?
G) This is an easy one!
John 6:63 …the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. John 17:3
Hi Ed.a. Answer MY scenario Ed. The one where you are cut in pieces.
b. Why the difference?
c. Yes. My intellect is MY INTELLECT. It is not “ME”. My heart is not “ME”. The separate parts of my body by themselves are not “ME”.
d. Answer to Acts 5:9
e. No, the Holy Spirit is OF God.
f. A reasoning that scripture clearly refute. For example, saying Jesus is God Almighty, when scriptures clearly refute this idea.
g. John 5:24 please. Who is “the word of Jesus”?
peace and love,
mike
Hi Mike,A Your example was meant to discredit what I have been telling you.
I adjusted the example to match what I have been telling you.B The Bible is clear that he wants to tabernacle inside of us.
C So when your intellect is gone at the point of death,
that's still you; right? Even after many years of decay; right?D I will now try a new approach with you.
1) I assume we agree: Jesus did the miracles by (power of) the Finger of God.
2) The HolySpirit Is the finger of God, therefor the Power of God; correct?E See point D: I will start a new approach; OK?
F Now that that's clear.
G I have answered that twice now.
I suggest you don't respond to this Post and instead engage the next.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Mike,
1) I assume we agree: Jesus did the miracles by (power of) the Finger of God.
2) The HolySpirit Is the finger of God, therefor the Power of God; correct?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 05 2010,14:17) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 04 2010,16:18) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 04 2010,16:02) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 04 2010,14:29) No Ed, it is NOT “ME”. It is a “part OF me”. (A)If you were cut into pieces, and people were picking up your various body parts, would the man who found your right leg say, “I found Ed………here HE is!”? No, he would say, “I found one OF Ed's legs”.
Hi Mike,A) If they were searching the woods looking for the body and someone
found a leg sticking out of the mud, he would definitely shout: here HE is!
Hi Mike,Hey, what wrong with you guys, that leg is of him!
Why are you incorrectly telling me you found him!HA Ha ha ha ha ha!!!!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
No, “That is only his leg…………where is the rest of HIM?”
Hi Mike,They would have to keep looking.
Holograms are said to maintain the whole picture,
no matter how small a piece is cut.This is a better example of how the HolySpirit is God and of God. (John 1:1)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 05 2010,14:25) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 04 2010,17:53) 5) You seem to keep rejecting the answers I give you?
1) Give scriptural answers Ed. And it would help if you could read “Spirit OF God” and understand it means “Spirit OF God”, and not “God the Spirit” or whatever.2) Look, I'll take any point as far as I can with you, but when it starts coming down to the scripture clearly saying “Black”, but you insisting it really says “Purple and Black”, that's when I will stop.
3) We are at this very point on most of the issues we've discussed.
Hi Mike,Ed: Give scriptural answers. How's this for size; Mike?
1)
Lev.11:45 For I the LORD that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt,
to beyour God: ye shall therefore be holy,
for I holy.
John 4:24 God is Spirit: and they that worship
him must worship in spirit and in truth.2) Fair enough.
3) I have started some new points as you suggested.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 05 2010,14:46) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 04 2010,21:29) Hi Tim, Sin is an action, not just merely a thought!
Why do ‘you’ believe the exact opposite?Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Not always Ed.Matthew 5:28
But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.peace and love,
mike
Hi Mike,Your missing the “point” that I was making to Tim Kraft.
He basically says that no matter what he does it is not sin.
The point that I was telling Tim, is that wrong actions are SIN!
No matter how correct he thinks his new age philosophy thinking is.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 05 2010,14:25) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 04 2010,17:53) 5) You seem to keep rejecting the answers I give you?
Give scriptural answers Ed. And it would help if you could read “Spirit OF God” and understand it means “Spirit OF God”, and not “God the Spirit” or whatever.Look, I'll take any point as far as I can with you, but when it starts coming down to the scripture clearly saying “Black”, but you insisting it really says “Purple and Black”, that's when I will stop.
We are at this very point on most of the issues we've discussed.
HI Mike,Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel,
and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery,
which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest,
and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of
the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
To God only wise, BE GLORY THROUGH Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Nov. 05 2010,15:19) Hi Mike, 1) I assume we agree: Jesus did the miracles by (power of) the Finger of God.
2) The HolySpirit Is the finger of God, therefor the Power of God; correct?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,1. Yes.
2. The Holy Spirit is not the power of God. The Holy Spirit is SOMETIMES, BUT NOT ALWAYS, the vehicle through which He displays His power. He has also displayed it through the angel that killed 185,000 Assyrians, for example.
mike
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 05 2010,15:49) Hi Mike, Your missing the “point” that I was making to Tim Kraft.
He basically says that no matter what he does it is not sin.
The point that I was telling Tim, is that wrong actions are SIN!
No matter how correct he thinks his new age philosophy thinking is.
Hi Ed,I agree. Tim does have some odd views. I can't imagine abandoning the OT. I think maybe you're right. Maybe he thinks the fact that Jesus died for our sins is a “get out of jail free card” or something. Kind of like, “Do whatever you want, it's already been forgiven”.
But you and I know that our God is a just God. And we know we will all be judged according to what we've done in this life.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (Ed J @ Oct. 10 2010,02:52) Hi Everyone, Psalm 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy loving-
kindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified “thy word” above all thy name.
Do people actually think this means an elevation of Jesus rather than God's word?Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)
Good point. God does magnify His words above His name. magnify or make great. Of all the things that God has done, His greatest work is His words to us. Like a check, the check is only as good as the name on it. God's words are his spiritual check to us. His name is on it.edj
Ps 138:1 I will praise you, O LORD, with all my heart;
before the “gods” I will sing your praise.
Ps 138:2 I will bow down toward your holy temple
and will praise your name
for your love and your faithfulness,
for you have exalted above all things
your name and your word.
Ps 138:3 When I called, you answered me;
you made me bold and stouthearted.how can “the word” be exalted above all things ?? ,(is this mean above all creation?)
or is exalthing THE NAME AND YOUR WORD(CHRIST)ABOVE ALL THINGS???
Pierre
edj and barley
just in case here is the definition;;exalted [ɪgˈzɔːltɪd]
adj
1. high or elevated in rank, position, dignity, etc.
2. elevated in character; noble; lofty an exalted ideal
3. Informal excessively high; inflated he has an exalted opinion of himself
4. intensely excited; elated
exaltedly adv
exaltedness n
Collins English Dictionary –Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 08 2010,13:50) edj Ps 138:1 I will praise you, O LORD, with all my heart;
before the “gods” I will sing your praise.
Ps 138:2 I will bow down toward your holy temple
and will praise your name
for your love and your faithfulness,
for you have exalted above all things
your name and your word.
Ps 138:3 When I called, you answered me;
you made me bold and stouthearted.how can “the word” be exalted above all things ?? ,(is this mean above all creation?)
or is exalthing THE NAME AND YOUR WORD(CHRIST)ABOVE ALL THINGS???
Pierre
Hi Pierre,Can you now see “The Word” is the HolySpirit?
God bless
eD j (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 08 2010,03:27) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 05 2010,15:19) Hi Mike, 1) I assume we agree: Jesus did the miracles by (power of) the Finger of God.
2) The HolySpirit Is the finger of God, therefor the Power of God; correct?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,1. Yes.
2. The Holy Spirit is not the power of God. The Holy Spirit is SOMETIMES, BUT NOT ALWAYS, the vehicle through which He displays His power. He has also displayed it through the angel that killed 185,000 Assyrians, for example.
mike
Hi Mike,I was referring to the power inside of Jesus.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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