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Gene,
Jesus interpreted that verse to mean gods not as his possessions.
John 10:34-35Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
It simply means godlike in the sentence. I believe the English word god can be used in a similar way as dictionary.com gives a definition of god as “a man who has qualities regarded as making him superior to other men“. In other words God told the children of Israel they are superior to other men. In Psalms he tells them if they do not change their ways and do what is right he will treat them like men even though they were superior to men.
An example is this in English is this musician is a guitar god. It does not mean he is a deity but it does mean he plays the guitar is a superior manner to other men.
Kerwin……notice how Jesus said it, if he called them God’s, unto whom the word of God came. God was speaking to his own people. The word of God came to his own possesion his people. Then notice what Jesus went on to say, he said to them why were they upset because he said he was a son of God, because had he quoted the complete verse of Psa 82:6 it would have said, they also were “childern” of God. So he asked them, why then were they upset with him for also saying he was a son of God, that was tne issue, not that they were actually God’s themselves. No Jew then or now would ever take that position or in any way think they were even remotely compared to God. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. …………….gene
Kerwin……Jews then and now believed in only one God they were then and now are monotheist. JESUS Was also a monotheist. He clearly said God was the ONLY TRUE God, that means there could not be any other TRUE God in existence. So I hardly think he would tell anyone they were real or true Gods. The ovious context of those scriptures shows JESUS was speaking of his relationship to God as a son and he did not say he was a God of any kind. If he thought they were Gods he would also have said he also is a god. But that never was in question it appears. No Jew would ever admit anyone else was a God big or little, neither would JESUS say he was a God either. Saying you are a son of God is a far cry from saying you are a God, even the Jew’s knew they were the children of God and said it in other scriptures, but never that they were a God themselves of any kind.
The context can change with those scriptures simply on how you are perceiving them and taking into consideration all the othe scriptures that say there is no other true God of any kind , even God himself said there were no other God’s over and over, I see no allowance in scriptures allowing room for the exceptence of any other so-called gods of any kind. Why would you even want to buy into such a perception that is obviously completely against the words of God himself, and even JESUS ouw words concerning his God and our God ?
I don’t think you have dealt properly with the meaning of the word God, you are still seeing it as a person or persons and not as a relationship with a person or things. The word God is only representive of a personal relationship, with some thing nothing more it express only a relationship. That is why it is expressed as our God, your God, the God of this or that. The word expresses a relationship ONLY.peace and love to you and yours………………….geneq
Gene,
Jews then and now believed in only one God they were then and now are monotheist.
read what I wrote,
It simply means godlike in the sentence. I believe the English word god can be used in a similar way as dictionary.com gives a definition of god as “a man who has qualities regarded as making him superior to other men“. In other words God told the children of Israel they are superior to other men. In Psalms he tells them if they do not change their ways and do what is right he will treat them like men even though they were superior to men.
It is a different definition of the word “god” than you are using in your statement. This is now like a conversation in which we are talking about mice where you believe the word “mice” is speaking of animals and I believe the word “mice” is speaking of computer devices.
Kerwin……My point is no Jew then or now would ever think they were a god big or little. While we are all made in the “image” of God, that in no way is saying we are gods. If the word god could be aplied that way, then there would be no place for the word IDOLATRY, in scriptures. Kerwin another point is that you must remember that the greek transations were subject to the thelogy of the translators, and the idea of more then one god is part of that idology they possesed, they were creating that idology to make room for the false trinity doctrines.
Kerwin the SUM OF SCRIPTURES gives us the true balance on any subject we put forth, a single scripture hardly ever gives a complete understanding of a subject. IMO.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……………gene
Gene,
You must have missed this as you are contradicting it. Your hypothesis that Hebrew limited the word elohim to only mean God is clearly flawed according to these definitions. The question is whether you are humble enough to admit it when presented with the evidence.
To whomever it concerns,
(plural)
rulers, judges
divine ones
angels
gods
(plural intensive – singular meaning)
god, goddess
godlike one
works or special possessions of God
the (true) God
God
These are what the blue letter bible claim the uses of elohim are in Scripture but some here disagree. They say that despite these experts the Hebrew word elohim does not mean human rulers or judges. They say despite these experts testimony it does not mean godlike one. They make these claims but do not offer any real evidence to support their claim. Why do they choose to do so? What spirit is driving them? Is it from God or from the Devil?
Kerwin……i do not believe what your experts say nor do i care. I know what God the faher himself says and what Jesus also said. ABOUT GOD BEING THE “ONLY” TRUE GOD. Those words explaine it clearly. ONLY MEANS NO OTHER GOD. TRUE MEANS REAL GOD. All otber God’s big or little are false god’s. GOD HIMSELF SAID HE LOOKED FOR OTHER GOD’S AND FOUND NONE. What part of his own words you fail to believe?
So you can believe whomsoever you chose to, your so-called experts, or the very words of GOD THE FATHER and Jesus themselves. I will chose what They say, not you so-called experts say. I learned a long time ago not to listen to so-called trinitaran experts, to get to the truth but rather what God himself says. If he tell me he could find no other God’s i just simply believe him, you may say that is of satan, but i disagree with you. Jesus told me, a man shall not live by bread alone but by EVERY WORD THAT COMES OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD. SO YOU CAN GO WOTH YOUR SO-CALLED “EXPERTS”, I CHOSE WHAT GOD HIMSELF SAYS. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. …………….gene
Gene,
That is a sign of arrogance. You have no argument and yet believe something because it is what your itching want to hear. It is not a wise action. You need to learn to humble yourself and say I made a mistake. Without humility you can not expect to find God’s righteousness.
Hebrews 1:8 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
You have read this verse and you know God is not calling Jesus God. Since you know Jesus is not God it follow that God has a different meaning that when it is speaking of Yawheh himself. These experts you choose to disregard without reason present plenty of definitions that mean other things that Jesus is God as Yawheh is God.
Kerwin….So these scriptures arn’t in your bible i guess.
Isa 44:6….. Thus says the LORD the king of Isreal; and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last, beside me there is “NO” God. And verse 8…>Fear you not neither be afraid:have I not told you from that time, and have decared it? You even are my witinesses. Is there a God beside me? Yea ther is “NO” God; I KNOW “NOT” ANY.
But you kerwin, have come to know other God’s, right?
Isa 43:10….. You ARE MY witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I haven chosen: that you may know and believe me, and understand that I AM HE: before me there was no God formed, neither shall ther be AFTER ME.
Isa 45:5….I am the LORD, and there is NONE ELSE, there is “NO” GOD BESIDE ME: I girded you, though you have not known me:
Isa 45:21-22….Tell you and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who has declared this from ancient time? Who has told it from that time? Have not I the LORD? And there is “NO” God else beside me; a just God and Saviour; and there is “NONE” ELSE.
Now kerwin that is what my only true God SAYS,about himself. and my lord JESUS also says concerning him, “THOU ARE THE “ONLY” TRUE GOD”.But you post a SINGLE scripture, which you have not a clue how it is relating to the only true GOD, THAT IS abiding “IN” THE MAN Jesus to establish the kingdom of God on this earth.
Or haven’t you read where it say the LAMB HAS THE SEVEN EYES AND SEVEN HORNS WHICH ” THE EYES ARE THE SEVEN “SPIRITS OF GOD”. THAT MEANS THE FULLNESS of the ONE AND “ONLY” TRUE God was and will be in him. So it can be said to the son, “thy kingdom “O” God is an everlasting kingdom”, WHY BECAUSE IT IS THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD, “IN” THE SON JESUS, bringing it all about. But that does not make the son himself a God of any kind, NOR IS THERE ANY other GOD, IF YOU BELIEVE JESUS IS A GOD THEN YOU AREBREAKING THE FIRST COMMANDMENT OF GOD,”YOU SHALL HAVE “NO” OTHER GOD BESIDE ME.”
It is not my arrogance thats the problem here, but your uwillingness to except the very words of God himself and Jesus, as absolute truth, i believe is the true problem here Kerwin.
You are doing what most do, find one thing and reject all the rest of the many, many, many scriptures and even the very words of God the Father himself and Jesus. Kerwin, why not try to put those scriptures you use to try to prove there are other God’s, to fit the words of God himself and JESUS, instead of trying to force a few text to meet your own personal teachings without concideration of the overwhelming teachings of all the other texts reguarding that subject matter. In order to draw a poper conclusion, you must take into consideration “ALL” the text dealing with the subjects. Remember, the SUM OF GOD’S WORDS IS WHERE THE TRUTH LIES. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. …………………gene
Gene,
You are dodging by using a whole different definition for God than is used in Hebrews 1:8. In using a different definition for God you are not even addressing the point I made about Hebrews 1:8. You are arguing as against the teachings T and others hold to not what I am saying or what I believe.
Address Hebrews 1:8 and the point I made about it.
Kerwin……..Concerning the word for a GOD, i’ll take God tbe fathers words over your or T or anyother so1called scholar. Why should i even consider anyones point that goes against a whole host of God the Fathers and Jesus’ words.
Chose as you will and get lost in their dilusions of ignoring what our lord and God say about the
subject, because the two different meanings you are trying to give, completely countradict each other, you simply can’t have it both ways, those who push for other God’s are IDOLATAR’S simple as that, and no idolatar is of the kingdom of God. To acknowledge others God’s save the one and only “TRUE” GOD is pure IDOLATRY, WHITNESSED BY HUNDREDS OF SCRIPTURES.You can’t have it both way Kerwin, you can’t change meanings to fit yours and others false beliefs, trying to obscure truth is wrong , you either believe what our God has said about the word God and who it represents or not. I for one believe it represents “ONLY” one “TRUE” being, you and the others believe as you will. Go ahead and believe there are little god’s and BIG GOD’s and see where it takes you in the end. I believe there is “ONLY” ONE TRUE GOD, SO ALL OTHER GOD’S ARE NOT TRUE God’s of anykind BIG or little, they simply are all false God’s, to me that is.
Peace and love to you and yours……………….gene
Kerwin…….HEB 1:8 IS BEST READ THIS WAY, ” but toward the son he says, thy throne Godly is, for ever and ever: a scepture of rightiousness is the scepter thy kingdom. 9, you have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God “YOUR GOD”, has anoinited you with the oil of gladness above they fellows”.
But according to you and others Jesus who is a GOD, HAS A GOD, so we are left with two God’s and according to you and others, we are also God’s to right?, so lets see who is the ONE AND “ONLY” TRUE God. Is it Jesus, you, me, or one of the other God’s you people have created, maybe it Satan after all scripture say he is the God of this world right. So with all this hogpog of God’s you people have, it’s no wonder there is so much confusion.
While Satan might be the God of this world, he is not a God to me, never was and never will be either, neither is Jesus a God to me, never was and never will be either, no other man made God will ever be a God to me, i have a GOD AND HIM ONLY WILL I SERVE, MY lord Jesus has a God also, and him only does he serve. I bow to Jesus TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER, not to the glory of Jesus, the anointed of God.
Kerwin, tell me how many God’s do you really have, do you even know? Can you even say in sincerity that God the Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD? I sincerely doubt you truly can say that. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. ……………….gene
Gene,
..Concerning the word for a GOD, i’ll take God tbe fathers words over your or T or anyother so1called scholar. Why should i even consider anyones point that goes against a whole host of God the Fathers and Jesus’ words.
I know that is what you say you are doing but instead you are putting your definition in it. Your definition does not fit the words of Hebrews 1:8 unless you believe Jesus is God and the last I knew you did not.
You do not believe Hebrews 1:8 says “But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O Jehovah, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.” You more likely believe it instead means “But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O Godlike One, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.”
Words tend to be flexible and so adjust to many situations. The more inflexible a language is the more words it needs in it to express every idea and the harder it is to remember each word.
Gene,
.HEB 1:8 IS BEST READ THIS WAY, ” but toward the son he says, thy throne Godly is, for ever and ever: a scepture of rightiousness is the scepter thy kingdom. 9, you have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God “YOUR GOD”, has anoinited you with the oil of gladness above they fellows”.
Sounds like I am correct about your interpretation of Hebrews 1:8. If you look at the possible definition of the Hebrew word elohim then you will find that 2b is godlike one.
Apply the same definition to the words I called you gods, the children of the most high. In other words he called those who received the Word of God godlike ones, children of the most high and warned them if they continued to rebel that he would treat them like godless human beings. Elsewhere he states I Jehovah the God am God of godlike ones. That statement is calling them to be like him in true righteousness and holiness. All three passages are related.
Kerwin…..It is godly because GOD IS IN Jesus, who BRINGS ABOUT HIS KINGDOM, non of the makes JESUS, OR ANYONE ELSE A GOD, of Any kind BIG OR LITTLE. As i have said before the word GOD IS only the expression of a relationship, somone has with something, rather prysical or non phisical it makes no difference KERWIN, BECAUSE THE WORD DOES NOT DESCRIBE THE OJECT IT DESCRIBES THE RELATIONSHIP TO THE OBJECT. That is why it say THE “LORD” OUR GOD IS “ONE” LORD (YEHWEH ). Did you notice how it is put? The words “OUR” God is referencing a relationship, with the oject “Yehweh” OR LORD.
A Godly person is a person who is god minded, he considers God in all his actions AND SEEKS TO OBEY HIM, but that in no way makes he himself a God, big or little. Kerwin what is you definition of the word IDOLATRY, IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THE WORD MEANS TO CREATE OR MAKE ANOTHER GOD , AND IS A SIN, THEN YOU CAN’T HAVE ANOTHER GOD OF ANYKIND, BUT THE ONE AND “ONLY” TRUE GOD ALONE. IMO.
peace and love to you and yours. ……………….gene
Gene,
I am not Pierre or Mike and I do not hold to their doctrine. You are arguing against their teaching not mine. My teaching is that the word god has more meanings that just one. In that case of Hebrews 1:8 and the other three passages we have mentioned it simply means godlike ones or godly ones. It does not mean that the individual or individuals mentioned are either Yawheh or the same kind as Yawheh.
Kerwin…….I have no problem with believing we are godly, or like God, in someways, to the degree we obey him, after all it does say we are made in his image, even JEZUS SAID IF YOU HAVE SEEM ME YOU HAVE SEEN THE FATHER, why? Because he was a God? No, becuse God was in him, infact the fullness of God dwelt “IN” HIM, BUT as i have said over and over that in NO WAY MADE HIM A GOD HIMSELF, big or little.
Kerwin as long as you believe there is no other true God but one, your fine. I am glad you denounce what Terricca and MIKE PROFESS AS GOD’S.
peace and love to you and yours…………gene
For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God,
If we replace God for Devil and Lord for Satan, we get the following:
- For Satan your devil is the Devil of devils, and Satan of satans, a great devil,
So what can we decipher from the above example. It seems to me that there is The Devil and there are devils. So there is one who is the Devil and there are many who are under the authority of the Devil or have the nature of the Devil.
And there is one God who has many under his authority who are sometimes called gods. I don’t know the answer off the top of my head, but perhaps God refers more to nature or being while Lord refers to authority.
So while there are many lords, (those with authority and power) there are also many like God who have his characteristics and nature and likewise are called gods such as angels. God is spirit and so angels are spirits.
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