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Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2012,12:28) Tell me the difference. What does the KJV version “mean”, and what does the NRSV version “mean”?
Hi Mike, I don't speak for the NRSV translators, sorry.“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with
the glory which I had with thee before the world was.” (John 17:5)1) glorify thou me with thine own self
2) with the glory which I had with thee
I hope that this will clarify it for you…(1+2=3) the glory I had with thee was the glory of thine own self
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2012,19:36) Hi MB,
So you do not know the voice of the Word that was with God in Jesus?
WE will come to you.
Nick,I don't even know what that means.
Nor do I know how in the world it addresses my last post to you.
Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2012,19:51) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2012,12:28) Tell me the difference. What does the KJV version “mean”, and what does the NRSV version “mean”?
Hi Mike, I don't speak for the NRSV translators, sorry.“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with
the glory which I had with thee before the world was.” (John 17:5)1) glorify thou me with thine own self
2) with the glory which I had with thee
I hope that this will clarify it for you…(1+2=3) the glory I had with thee was the glory of thine own self
No Ed,God shares HIS glory with no other. Jesus was speaking about having HIS OWN glory in the presence of God before the world began.
Hi Mike, God's glory was first seen in Jesus Christ and then in us, his children.
2 Cor 3:18But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the LORD,
are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the LORD.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2012,20:28) Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2012,19:51) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2012,12:28) Tell me the difference. What does the KJV version “mean”, and what does the NRSV version “mean”?
Hi Mike, I don't speak for the NRSV translators, sorry.“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with
the glory which I had with thee before the world was.” (John 17:5)1) glorify thou me with thine own self
2) with the glory which I had with thee
I hope that this will clarify it for you…(1+2=3) the glory I had with thee was the glory of thine own self
No Ed,God shares HIS glory with no other. Jesus was speaking about having HIS OWN glory in the presence of God before the world began.
edjQuote Hi Mike, I don't speak for the NRSV translators, sorry. then do not use that version ,but use a proper english one (modern english )
Jn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was KJV
Jn 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.NIV
show in those two verses what is not correct ??
Hi Pierre,
“That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me,
and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:” (John 17:21)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 17 2012,21:04) Hi Pierre, “That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me,
and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:” (John 17:21)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJyou are confused ,it was John 17;5 between both version
not John17;21 what talks about some thing else again ,
if not we are done in this discussion
Pierre,
Jesus was not a separate being from God before his conception.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgIf Jesus was not a separate being, then you are in agreement with Nick that something that WAS God became someone who WASN'T God.
How can God Almighty become NOT God Almighty? How can God Almighty become His own Son? Does God ever change, Ed? What do scriptures say about that?
Also:
2 Corinthians 3:18 NET ©
And we all, with unveiled faces reflecting the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another, which is from the Lord, who is the Spirit.First of all, the “Lord” mentioned here is Jesus, not Jehovah. Second, it speaks of us reflecting the glory of Jesus, and gaining greater glory ourselves.
This scripture does not speak of anyone attaining to God's own glory. Nor does John 17:5 speak of Jesus and God “sharing” the same glory. 17:5 speaks of Jesus having HIS OWN glory alongside his God before the world began.
Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2012,22:08) Pierre, Jesus was not a separate being from God before his conception.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdjYou are not listen to the truth of the word of God ,
Mike just told you as well that witch you say is not according to scriptures but why would you care
This is not the only false doctrine you preach,As soon that someone lies he does not count the lies they just piled up
Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2012,15:08) Pierre, Jesus was not a separate being from God before his conception.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,
Jesus was not conceived till 2000 years ago.
Are you speaking of the Spirit of Christ?Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 18 2012,01:56) If Jesus was not a separate being, then you are in agreement with Nick that something that WAS God became someone who WASN'T God.
No Mike,You are stuck on old religious dogmas.
John 1:1 is about the HolySpirit.The HolySpirit was with God in the beginning and now is with us.
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ June 18 2012,01:56) 2 Corinthians 3:18 NET ©
And we all, with unveiled faces reflecting the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another, which is from the Lord, who is the Spirit.First of all, the “Lord” mentioned here is Jesus, not Jehovah. Second, it speaks of us reflecting the glory of Jesus, and gaining greater glory ourselves.
This scripture does not speak of anyone attaining to God's own glory. Nor does John 17:5 speak of Jesus and God “sharing” the same glory. 17:5 speaks of Jesus having HIS OWN glory alongside his God before the world began.
Hi Mike,If you want to explore 'your beliefs' more in a discussion with me, I would be willing to do so.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 18 2012,07:49) Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2012,15:08) Pierre, Jesus was not a separate being from God before his conception.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,
Jesus was not conceived till 2000 years ago.
Are you speaking of the Spirit of Christ?
Hi Nick,My words were clear and concise, were they not?
I mean what I say, and say what I mean.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ June 18 2012,10:31) Spin it however you want to, Ed. The bottom line is that you're saying God became the Son of God.
Hi Mike,No, that is not what I said.
That is the 'spin' that you like.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ June 18 2012,17:29) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 18 2012,01:56) If Jesus was not a separate being, then you are in agreement with Nick that something that WAS God became someone who WASN'T God.
No Mike,You are stuck on old religious dogmas.
John 1:1 is about the HolySpirit.The HolySpirit was with God in the beginning and now is with us.
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org
EdjThe holy spirit his not the word ,the holy spirit is OF God but not God ,
Other than Christ received the holy spirit so it can not be the holy spirit ,and it can not be God ,
It can only be Christ his son from the beginning of creation
Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2012,17:33) Hi Mike, If you want to explore 'your beliefs' more in a discussion with me, I would be willing to do so.
Thanks for the offer, Ed, but I have no intention of trying to convince the little kid that the sky is blue when he is adamant that it is green.The little kid can just go on believing whatever he'd like to believe. Less headache for both of us that way.
Hi Mike,
The sky is clear: the reason we see “BLUE” is because of the
atmosphere refracting the light of the sun in the blue spectrum.
You wanting to remain in YOUR beliefs is common, look at Atheists.
But as we all know truth dispels lies and light removes the darkness.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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