Fear of God

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2010,13:49)

G, Many folk feel they are walking in an anointing when they are preaching their own ideas. False prophets they are. The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. Rev19

Nick………..Yes and are you one of them? You seem to truly not understand what is written at times, because it doesn't agree with your dogmas.

Here is all it takes to Know Nick………..> Gal 2:16…> Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST, even we have believed in Jesus Christ the we might be justified by the FAITH of Christ, and not by the works of the Law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

You seem to think a man is justified by scripture, but we know it is by the FAITH OF CHRIST that we are Justified and given eternal life. So keep seeking to be save by scriptures and your fear and trembling doctrines. I will believe i am saved by the Faith of Christ Jesus and that is simple and good enough for Me, GOD'S Grace is sufficient for me Nick, i do not need anything else.

peace and love……………..gene

[Ed J]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 26 2010,07:22)

Quote (terraricca @ April 23 2010,09:43) it has to be in our hearts to willingly do Gods will,this means ,that you have learn what to do to please him and do it just like a child like to please his father wen he ask somethings, it is no good if you do it because you are convinced that you will be punished for. Teraricca……….That my friend is right. Jesus said “I ALWAYS DO WHAT PLEASES MY FATHER. Amen to your post brother. Jesus Loved the FATHER He was not in Fear of HIM. He respected , reverenced and obeyed HIM. God the FATHERS way is ALWAYS the Best for ALL.  IMO peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene

Hi Gene,

So now you believe in “Free Will”?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[GeneBalthrop]

ED J………..OUR so-called “FREE WILL” has nothing to do with it , INFLUENCED WILL BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD Has every thing to do with it. the Word “FREE WILL” is an OXYMORON. There exist no such thing as a (FREE) Will. Because if a Will is FREE then it simply would NOT be a WILL would IT?. Think about it.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.
The Son of God was blessed in this grace
It is now rare as men are blind to sin

[GeneBalthrop]

Nick……….Perhaps you need to understand what the mistranslated word (FEAR) really means would help he move some ignorance in your thinking, and Save others the trouble of your confusions . Try using the words reverence and respect in place of the false translated English word FEAR. WE how have GOD'S Spirit have not recieved a SPIRIT of FEAR as you seem to have. But of Love and power and of a sound mind. Which those who are fearful and trembling do not Have in them. You have been given (MANY) scriptures that Show this but you still refuse to believe them. Start believing what is written and your fear and doubts will begin to leave you. IMO

peace and love…………………gene

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,
The importance of the gospel is that it offers men salvation from the awful fate that awaits the sons of Adam.
The wrath of God awaits those who do not make peace with Him in Jesus or at least find His mercy through their merciful actions.

It is a serious message of hope, or dread.

[RokkaMan]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 15 2007,06:16)

Hello! Should we not listen to Jesus words and give the honor due to him! Men call Jesus words the “Word of GOD”, now if Jesus claims the words that he speaks as his own, and if his words are the word of God, then he must be God' One with the Father and the Spirit! Jn 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth **my word**, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Jn 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in **my word**, [then] are ye my disciples indeed; Men have forgotten that the scriptures tell us that the Father Judges no man now, but hath committed all Judgment into Jesus hands? Jn 5:22,23 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. Jesus surely came the first time as a Lamb, but he will return with a sword! Rev 19:5 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. II Thess 1:7,8 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ And woe be to those who teach false doctines! I Jn 4: 1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ [Word/God] is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ [Word/God] is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. II Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ [Wod/God] is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

The bible in no place explicitely states Jesus is God…

at most it alludes…

but what it does state in definately, is that Jesus is the manifestation of God.

So the understanding is to recognize what a manifestation is.

Is a manifestation of something the same as the thing it was manifesting?

No, it's merely a reflection, image, or representation of what it is manifesting.
———

So understanding this, Jesus is the direct image, reflection or representation of God…

O wow, I can quote some scripture that say the exact same thing.

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If you go further into understanding that The Word of God is God revealed…it means the same thing…

what is revealed doesn't encompass the totality of the being…only what is simply revealed.

———

So for Jesus to be the word of God, does not mean he is God…

it means he is a representation of God unlike no other being to ever exist…therefore being The Only Begotten SON OF YHVH…

———-

His likeness is not of YHVH himself, but of his literal Son.

———-

Please correct your understanding.

Jesus is not God but he is the closest thing to what we can possibly perceive as God.

but we are to understand YHVH is greater and in control of it all…

Jesus is given the powers of YHVH but is still explicitely subject to him.

[davidbfun]

Quote (RokkaMan @ July 29 2010,11:00)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 15 2007,06:16) Hello! Should we not listen to Jesus words and give the honor due to him! Men call Jesus words the “Word of GOD”, now if Jesus claims the words that he speaks as his own, and if his words are the word of God, then he must be God' One with the Father and the Spirit! Jn 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth **my word**, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Jn 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in **my word**, [then] are ye my disciples indeed; Men have forgotten that the scriptures tell us that the Father Judges no man now, but hath committed all Judgment into Jesus hands? Jn 5:22,23 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. Jesus surely came the first time as a Lamb, but he will return with a sword! Rev 19:5 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. II Thess 1:7,8 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ And woe be to those who teach false doctines! I Jn 4: 1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ [Word/God] is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ [Word/God] is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. II Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ [Wod/God] is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. The bible in no place explicitely states Jesus is God… at most it alludes… but what it does state in definately, is that Jesus is the manifestation of God. So the understanding is to recognize what a manifestation is. Is a manifestation of something the same as the thing it was manifesting? No, it's merely a reflection, image, or representation of what it is manifesting. ——— So understanding this, Jesus is the direct image, reflection or representation of God… O wow, I can quote some scripture that say the exact same thing. ——— If you go further into understanding that The Word of God is God revealed…it means the same thing… what is revealed doesn't encompass the totality of the being…only what is simply revealed. ——— So for Jesus to be the word of God, does not mean he is God… it means he is a representation of God unlike no other being to ever exist…therefore being The Only Begotten SON OF YHVH… ———- His likeness is not of YHVH himself, but of his literal Son. ———- Please correct your understanding. Jesus is not God but he is the closest thing to what we can possibly perceive as God. but we are to understand YHVH is greater and in control of it all… Jesus is given the powers of YHVH but is still explicitely subject to him.

Hello RM,

I like your description of manifestation.  Too many here want to say that the manifestation is God.  Whereas “OF” means it is the object of the noun….like you explained…SUPER!

Jesus as a “Prophet” spoke in the name of God.  As a prophet he is the messenger and they killed the messenger.

I tried to find where Jesus held the title as “The Word of God” but couldn't….maybe you can, please?

He is “The Word”, John 1:1 which “may” be his NAME (HaShem) before coming to Earth.

The honor given to him was part of the Eternal Covenant between him and God which we know as the Gospel…and is explained in more details in Phil 2:

What were God's words essentially?  I love you.  I gave you a priceless gift. I want you to return to me. Please accept my gift and I will give you treasures abundantly. Hear MY son, he will explain all about Me. Come join us and enjoy for an eternity the mansion that he prepared for you! Let's party! I have a big feast prepared, waiting for your attendance.

[davidbfun]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 28 2010,20:39)

Hi Ed, The importance of the gospel is that it offers men salvation from the awful fate that awaits the sons of Adam. The wrath of God awaits those who do not make peace with Him in Jesus or at least find His mercy through their merciful actions.   It is a serious message of hope, or dread.

Hi Nick,

You are sooooo right.  The smoothest way I present your message is John 3:16-18 where God is saying the choice for your destiny is in YOUR hands as is the consequences for that choice.

The Holy Spirit has 7 functions within:

Spirit of YHVH (LORD)
Fear of YHVH
Counsel
Power
Knowledge
Understanding
Wisdom

So when we accept Christ we have this same Holy Spirit that he does along with the above spirits.

And this “fear” is an awesome thing to behold and draws us near to God and not away.

And for us that believe Jesus, it is a wonderful hope…..

Or the cross, a dreadful stumbling block…

May the Force be with you.

[NickHassan]

Hi DBF,
Where is ACCEPTING CHRIST shown as the way of salvation??

[davidbfun]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 06 2010,14:53)

Hi, The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. The Son of God was blessed in this grace It is now rare as men are blind to sin

Hi Nick,

Great beginning….

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding. Pro 9:10

Four of the 7 traits of the Holy One are listed:
Fear of YHVH (LORD)
Wisdom
Knowledge
Understanding

Missing three:
Spirit of YHVH
Counsel
Power (strength)

[GeneBalthrop]

To All………..”The fearful and the unbelieving will have their part in the lake of Fire which is the second death”, And again, “love cast our fear, for nothing is perfected (IN) fear, and again , “You have (NOT) recieved a Spirit of (FEAR) but of Love and Power and of a sound Mind, and again “brethren you have not come unto that mountain to fear as they did”.

Fear is the cause of phobias and dread and is in fact a rejection of what ever is feared. A man can not be Perfected through fear, The proper rendering for the word fear in scripture should be (REVERENCE AND RESPECT). The world should fear and tremble because of their sin and the judgments of GOD coming on them , but we have (PASSED) from Judgment unto life. BY the blood of Jesus and our sins have been covered. WE are told by Paul to work out our salvation through Fear and Trembling , that should have already been done by those who have been saved and they no longer need to fear and Trimble as they once did before they were saved. IMO

peace and love………………………..gene

[davidbfun]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 05 2010,10:01)

To All………..”The fearful and the unbelieving will have their part in the lake of Fire which is the second death”,  And again, “love cast our fear, for nothing is perfected (IN) fear, and again , “You have (NOT) recieved a Spirit of (FEAR) but of Love and Power and of a sound Mind,  and again “brethren you have not come unto that mountain to fear as they did”. Fear is the cause of phobias and dread and is in fact a rejection of what ever is feared.  A man can not be Perfected through fear, The proper rendering for the word fear in scripture should be (REVERENCE AND RESPECT). The world should fear and tremble because of their sin and the judgments of GOD coming on them , but we have (PASSED) from Judgment unto life. BY the blood of Jesus and our sins have been covered. WE are told by Paul to work out our salvation through Fear and Trembling , that should have already been done by those who have been saved and they no longer need to fear and Trimble as they once did before they were saved. IMO peace and love………………………..gene

Gene,

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and ALL LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Pro 23:17 Let not thine heart envy sinners: but [be thou] in the fear of the LORD all the day long.

Pro 1:7 The fear of the LORD [is] the beginning of knowledge: [but] fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Pro 1:29 For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:

Pro 8:13 The fear of the LORD [is] to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

Pro 9:10 The fear of the LORD [is] the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy [is] understanding.

Pro 16:6 By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD [men] depart from evil.

Pro 22:4 By humility [and] the fear of the LORD [are] riches, and honour, and life.

The Professor

[GeneBalthrop]

DBF………..So are we to throw out these scriptures then, to meet fear religion.”But you have (NOT) recieved the spirit of Fear, but of Love and Power and of a sound Mind”. And again “you have not come unto that mountain to fear as they DID”, and again “NOTHING IS PERFECTED (in) fear , because fear has torment . and again Perfect Love cast (OUT) fear”. So therefore the fearful and the unbelieving will have their part in the lake of fire.

If you would take some time and Look up the Hebrew word used there for fear you would find it means to Revere and respect GOD. Obviously if we are to love and respect GOD we can't go around fearing him. But if a person is still carnal minded Fear and trembling may be a good thing because fear is a deterrent as History has proven. Paul told them to work out there salvation with fear and trembling , Most all who are converted have already worked out their salvation with fear and trembling and have no need to continue to fear and tremble, like it says (NOTHING IS PERFECTED IN FEAR) AND PERFECT CASTS (OUT) FEAR. And God told us to be perfect as i am perfect , be Holy as I am Holy. Love does not cast (IN) fear but casts it OUT.

peace and love……………………gene

[davidbfun]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 18 2010,17:55)

DBF………..So are we to throw out these scriptures then, to meet fear religion.”But you have (NOT) recieved the spirit of Fear, but of Love and Power and of a sound Mind”. And again “you have not come unto that mountain to fear as they DID”, and again “NOTHING IS PERFECTED (in) fear , because fear has torment . and again Perfect Love cast (OUT) fear”. So therefore the fearful and the unbelieving will have their part in the lake of fire. If you would take some time and Look up the Hebrew word used there for fear you would find it means to Revere and respect GOD. Obviously if we are to love and respect GOD we can't go around fearing him. But if a person is still carnal minded Fear and trembling may be a good thing because fear is a deterrent as History has proven. Paul told them to work out there salvation with fear and trembling , Most all who are converted have already worked out their salvation with fear and trembling and have no need to continue to fear and tremble, like it says (NOTHING IS PERFECTED IN FEAR) AND PERFECT CASTS (OUT) FEAR.  And God told us to be perfect as i am perfect , be Holy as I am Holy. Love does not cast (IN) fear but casts it OUT. peace and love……………………gene

Hi Gene,

I have received the Spirit of God which includes: (IS 11:2)

Spirit of YHWH
Fear of YHWH
Power
Counsel
Knowledge
Understanding
Wisdom

All of which I embrace.

Fear of YHWH draws us to God, which in turns guides us to Jesus, who sets us free to serve God. A beautiful “pyramid” scheme, no?

The Professor

[GeneBalthrop]

DBF……….How about the SPIRIT OF LOVE, Which cast (OUT FEAR) Have you recieved that yet. Doesn't seem so. How about this “THE SPIRIT OF LOVE SHED AROUND IN OUR HEARTS , HAVE YOU RECEIVED THAT SPIRIT OF LOVE YET. Seek and ask for it, it then maybe you won't be so fearful. IMO

peace and love…………………….gene

[davidbfun]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 18 2010,18:13)

DBF……….How about the SPIRIT OF LOVE, Which cast (OUT FEAR) Have you recieved that yet. Doesn't seem so. How about this “THE SPIRIT OF LOVE SHED AROUND IN OUR HEARTS , HAVE YOU RECEIVED THAT  SPIRIT OF LOVE YET. Seek and ask for it, it then maybe you won't be so fearful. IMO peace and love…………………….gene

How about a Scripture verse?

The Professor

[GeneBalthrop]

DBF……..here you go Just one of many.

2Ti 1:7…..> For God has not given us the (Spirit) of fear; but of power, and of (LOVE), and of a sound mind.

Now do you want more or does that suffice you?

peace and love…………………………….gene

[davidbfun]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 18 2010,21:27)

DBF……..here you go Just one of many. 2Ti 1:7…..> For God has not given us the (Spirit) of fear; but of power, and of (LOVE), and of a sound mind. Now do you want more or does that suffice you? peace and love…………………………….gene

Hello Gene,

Thanks.

2Ti 1:7 For God has not given us a spirit of timidity, but of power and love and discipline.

2Ti 1:8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord or of me His prisoner, but join with me in suffering for the gospel according to the power of God,

2Ti 1:14 Guard, through the Holy Spirit who dwells in us, the treasure which has been entrusted to you.

Look at the purpose for not being AFRAID (fearful): it is so that we may serve God unashamedly and with Power thru the Holy Spirit (in whom is the Spirit of the fear of YHWH).

You can't have God's Spirit and NOT HAVE the fear of YHWH. This fear/awe is what draws us to God, no?

The Professor

[GeneBalthrop]

DBF……….My bible says FEAR not (timidity) as you say, You CANT JUST REPLACE WORDS TO FIT YOU IDEOLOGIES.

peace and love……………………..gene

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