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Nick……..ask yourself why you presented that scripture , what was your reason, and then you will have the answer why. Did you do it to edify anyone or to support the weak, or those turned out of the way. (NO). You quoted those scriptures for trepidation and abuse or you would have never quoted them in this thread. IMO, Question is what is your life about?
peace…………………………….gene
Gb,
What is written does upset some folk.
But those settled in Christ will be strengthened and not shaken.Nick……. What you posted has nothing to do with strengthening any one but only cause doubt in people. Your motive for those scriptures had nothing to do with strengthening anyone , Just trepidation and positioning yourself over others. Whats written shouldn't upset anyone or prove how any settled in Christ will be strengthening by any of what you posted. As i said it had nothing to do with strengthening anyone. Just posturing of yourself. IMO
peace…………………………………….gene
Nick……….Scripture used by a novice can and offend is a hammer used on people. EPICALLY by FEAR MONGER teachers. Fire and brimstone preaching is evil itself. They profess GOD but deny the POWER there of.
peace……………………………..gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 12 2009,07:33) Hi,
Heb10
26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Some might not like this scripture but it serves as a warning to those who are in pursuit of righteousness that they should not look back and consider pursuing wickedness. Jesus uttered this warning.Luke 9:62(NIV) reads:
Quote Jesus replied, “No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God.”
All sin is willing in one way but not all sin is done in the pursuit of wickedness. I prefer to let God determine which is which after the fact and continue to pursue righteousness while avoiding giving into temptation as he cleans me of unrighteousness.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 11 2009,22:08) They profess GOD but deny the POWER there of.
I always thought the scripture eye opening –Quote 2Tim.3:2-5 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God– having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them. Three things in the context strike hard regarding those with a,
“form of godliness –The description of their character –
Quote lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God There denial of the power that counts
Quote having a form of godliness but denying its power The admonition as to how to avoid their hypocrisy
Quote Have nothing to do with them. Blessings,
Seeking
Seeking…………it really irks me to see people use Gods word as a club and try to push people around creating fears and anxiety in people. To use God for trepidation of people is sin itself. Those who position themselves over others actually believe they are helping people when they do that , but in truth is its all about themselves and they could care less about others. These are clouds without water going around foaming out fear, always trying to posture themselves over others, useless , parrots not even understanding what they are parroting. What they don't understand they ridicule and label which only shows their ignorance. They are unable to give any sound discourse, just parrots squawking out what they don't understand. IMO
love and peace to you and yours……………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 12 2009,09:03) Seeking…………it really irks me to see people use Gods word as a club and try to push people around creating fears and anxiety in people. To use God for trepidation of people is sin itself. gene
Gene,I am not certain if you mean to say “I” irked you or not.
My intent was simply to expand on a scripture you eluded to
when you wroteQuote They profess GOD but deny the POWER there of. I assure you my intent was not fear, trepidation, or one-ups-manship. I join with Thinker and believe as a cooling off period is entered ones intent will become more clear.
With the love of Christ,
Seeking
Seeking ……….I was not talking about you, just to you. I have not seen you use GOD word as a club at all, I do not mind you expanding on scripture i elude to either, In fact i welcome it. Your knowledge of Scripture is good as well as other here also.
love and peace to you and yours………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 12 2009,09:56) Seeking ……….I was not talking about you, just to you. I have not seen you use GOD word as a club at all, I do not mind you expanding on scripture i elude to either, In fact i welcome it. Your knowledge of Scripture is good as well as other here also. love and peace to you and yours………………….gene
Thanks! That's refreshing news!!Be Blessed,
Seeking
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 08 2009,05:08) 942767…….So you say they were not forced to right, Your assume fear had nothing to do with it right, Then why did they stone a man to death for building a fire on the sabbath day then, and extract all these death penalties Like stoning them to death for all kinds of things they did wrong. Fornication, Adultery, etc. Law can only work through (enforcement) it that way even now. When you are going down the road and see a Highway Patrol men, why do you slow down if you don't have a fear of getting a ticket. LAW IS USELESS IF IT IS NOT ENFORCED. That why we have the police to enforce the LAW, so we will fear to break it. HUMAN NATURE IS BASICALLY LUSTFUL AND WANTS IT OWN WAY, But fear is a deterrent thats for sure, and can regulate the carnal mind , but never changes the heart or mind of a person, that take the SPIRIT of GOD and That works apart from LAW, as Paul clearly said. BY the way Law works no flesh shall be justified before GOD, why because LAW forced compliance can never make one right inside. It all make sense if you think about it. love and peace to you and yours…………………………gene
Hi Gene:There is a difference in saying the Law is enforced, and saying someone is forced to obey the Law.
In the OT if a person was of the Nation Israel, they were under the Law of Moses, and if they violated the law defiantly, then they were punished.
In the NT, the judgement is withheld until the last day. Everyone will be held accountable to God for the life they have lived in this body.
If we say we are Christians, and are practicing sin wilfully, will we not be punished?
I don't see where anyone is forced to do anything, but there are consequences for disobedience.
Love in Christ,
MartyHi BD,
You feel able to attack the words and the works of God done in men while offering a human imitation?
When did such risky behaviours become attractive?Hi,
Our God is awesome and we are puny.
Just because Jesus opened the way to God does not make the situation different.Take care.
Quote (942767 @ Feb. 13 2009,11:45) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 08 2009,05:08) 942767…….So you say they were not forced to right, Your assume fear had nothing to do with it right, Then why did they stone a man to death for building a fire on the sabbath day then, and extract all these death penalties Like stoning them to death for all kinds of things they did wrong. Fornication, Adultery, etc. Law can only work through (enforcement) it that way even now. When you are going down the road and see a Highway Patrol men, why do you slow down if you don't have a fear of getting a ticket. LAW IS USELESS IF IT IS NOT ENFORCED. That why we have the police to enforce the LAW, so we will fear to break it. HUMAN NATURE IS BASICALLY LUSTFUL AND WANTS IT OWN WAY, But fear is a deterrent thats for sure, and can regulate the carnal mind , but never changes the heart or mind of a person, that take the SPIRIT of GOD and That works apart from LAW, as Paul clearly said. BY the way Law works no flesh shall be justified before GOD, why because LAW forced compliance can never make one right inside. It all make sense if you think about it. love and peace to you and yours…………………………gene
Hi Gene:There is a difference in saying the Law is enforced, and saying someone is forced to obey the Law.
In the OT if a person was of the Nation Israel, they were under the Law of Moses, and if they violated the law defiantly, then they were punished.
In the NT, the judgement is withheld until the last day. Everyone will be held accountable to God for the life they have lived in this body.
If we say we are Christians, and are practicing sin wilfully, will we not be punished?
I don't see where anyone is forced to do anything, but there are consequences for disobedience.
Love in Christ,
Marty
94it has to be in our hearts to willingly do Gods will,this means ,that you have learn what to do to please him and do it just like a child like to please his father wen he ask somethings,
it is no good if you do it because you are convinced that you will be punished for.and it is no good either to think ;it does not matter what i do it is good because my father is a great guy if i do not comply he understand, this is not the first time ,and it is doing that what i do or not do,so all is good all is of my father i am is son.;; Jesus said they were 2 son who were ask to work in the vine yard but only one did.
Quote (terraricca @ April 23 2010,09:43) it has to be in our hearts to willingly do Gods will,this means ,that you have learn what to do to please him and do it just like a child like to please his father wen he ask somethings,
it is no good if you do it because you are convinced that you will be punished for.
Teraricca……….That my friend is right. Jesus said “I ALWAYS DO WHAT PLEASES MY FATHER. Amen to your post brother.Jesus Loved the FATHER He was not in Fear of HIM. He respected , reverenced and obeyed HIM. God the FATHERS way is ALWAYS the Best for ALL. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene
Nick………If Scripture was the ONLY Way I could be Pleasing to GOD that would be very little at best. You study the Scriptures for in THEM you think you have life. There is more to Pleasing GOD by Far then what is written in Scripture. Scripture does relay GOD thought's to Us But it takes far more then that to change our hearts and minds. It takes GOD'S Spirit. What of those who had NO Scriptures or Bibles at all but only heard a very few words handed down through others. God”s power is far more then a written word.All the reading and retaining of the written words could never change the heart and Mind without GOD'S Spirit in Us. IMO
peace and love……………..gene
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