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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 18 2008,07:10) Tim………God is a GOD of LOVE and HIS LOVE is supposed to be Shed around in our Hearts, Scripture says “LOVE Casts (out) fear. I wonder what kind of HEART who CASTS IT IN is FROM. Jesus said “my joy i give unto you, the fearful and unbelieving heart has no joy how can it seeing that “nothing is perfected in Fear for FEAR has torment”. Reverence and respect Yes, FEAR NO. People stuck in the OLD Testament alway us fear on others it gives them a sense of empowerment over others. Fire and Brimstone control freaks of little or no faith. Love to you and yours Tim…………………..gene
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So if we read the history of God's relationships with men and find it upsets us should that make us turn away or become more careful to walk in His ways?Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 18 2008,07:10) Tim………God is a GOD of LOVE and HIS LOVE is supposed to be Shed around in our Hearts, Scripture says “LOVE Casts (out) fear. I wonder what kind of HEART who CASTS IT IN is FROM. Jesus said “my joy i give unto you, the fearful and unbelieving heart has no joy how can it seeing that “nothing is perfected in Fear for FEAR has torment”. Reverence and respect Yes, FEAR NO. People stuck in the OLD Testament alway us fear on others it gives them a sense of empowerment over others. Fire and Brimstone control freaks of little or no faith. Love to you and yours Tim…………………..gene
Thank you Gene.Tim
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 18 2008,09:35) Hi,
So if we read the history of God's relationships with men and find it upsets us should that make us turn away or become more careful to walk in His ways?
Hi Nick,
It actually makes me do neither.
It forces me to question that history.Tim
Tim…..What Nick does not understand God dealt with the CARNAL MIND through the medium of FEAR, why? because there Hearts were EVIL they were a faithless generation who had not the Spirit of GOD in Them. So God used fear to control them Ex 19: 20 “For God, said moses, “Has done this, so that the (FEAR) OF HIM will be before your FACE, so that you SIN NOT”. “But you brethren have (NOT) come unto that mountain to (FEAR) as THEY DID”. ANYONE who does not understand this (I) personally drought they are truly converted, and needs fear to keep them from sin, they Have not the LOVE OF GOD WORKING IN THEM, they need (FEAR) to keep them from sining. Again I am not say we are not to reverence and respect Jesus and the FATHER we are to do that , and with the (true) Love from GOD we WILL. And remember it says (NOTHING) is perfect (IN FEAR). And remember GOD said be you Perfect for I am perfect and be you HOLY for I am HOLY>
love and peace to you and yours Tim………………..gene
Quote (TimothyVI @ Dec. 18 2008,07:01) Shoot, I actually had lunch with the first President Bush one day and I trembled, but it was not out of fear, except maybe for all those guys standing around with those things stuck in their ears.. 
Tim
Tim,
Was it a private lunch? Was he asking your advice on something? I wouldn't be surprised!
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 18 2008,09:35) Hi,
So if we read the history of God's relationships with men and find it upsets us should that make us turn away or become more careful to walk in His ways?
Perhaps your earthly father had a heavy hand, and that is why you are so fearful?As a parent, it would not bring me joy to know my kids were sticking close to me out of fear. On the contrary, it would make me sick. It actually sounds like abuse to me.
Quote (Not3in1 @ Dec. 18 2008,10:37) Quote (TimothyVI @ Dec. 18 2008,07:01) Shoot, I actually had lunch with the first President Bush one day and I trembled, but it was not out of fear, except maybe for all those guys standing around with those things stuck in their ears.. Tim
Tim,
Was it a private lunch? Was he asking your advice on something? I wouldn't be surprised!
Nothing as important as that.
He was merely showing appreciation for my support at the time. He really was more intelligent than someone else that is related to him.
Tim
Hi,
We learn from scripture how the wrath of God can be expressed against His enemies.
We are promised safety and protection under the robe of righteousness of His Son.
But that promise can be annulled if we go beyond the teachings of Christ Jesus.
We must abide in the teachings to maintain our fellowship with God and His son.8Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
9Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
To All…. >Rom.8: 14…> For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of GOD 15….>For you have not received the spirit of bondage again to (FEAR); but you have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
2Ti 1:7……> For GOD hath NOT given us a (Spirit) of FEAR; but of power, and of a sound mind.
1 Jo 4;18….> There is (NO) FEAR in LOVE, but perfect love casteth OUT FEAR: because fear has torment. He that FEARS is not made perfect in LOVE.
peace and love to all…………….gene
GB,
What is this worldly spirit of fear you speak of?
It the the fear of God that our Master shares as shown in Is11.3 we need.Nick……… First of all it's not I who speak it, it's you who does, you need to understand the meaning of the word fear before you us it. The bible meaning is really reverence and a deep respect . And don't try to act ignorant as if you don't understand what the word fear means , now you resort to “GODLY FEAR” or “WORLDLY FEAR” is just a play on the word, if you mean fear then uses the word , if you mean Godly reverence then us that, instead of fear. Unless you don't believe the scripture I Just quoted. thats your so-called (FREE CHOICE). The FEARFUL and UNBELIEVING will have their part in the Lake of Fire according to scripture right . Where does it say “worldly FEAR” it just says fearful.
peace ………….gene
GB,
We have peace that the fear of the world cannot shake.
John 14:27
” Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you Do not let your heart be troubled, nor let it be fearful.Nick………in what way are they rash? because i disagree with what you (something you say) does not mean i disrespect you. ” have salt in yourselves and have peace also”. At times i may have come on rash, but everyone here knows you have also been rash with me. So lets try to not get personal anymore, we can agree to disagree without becoming “RASH”. And where i have i apologizes. And an apologize from you would also be helpful.
peace and love brother…………gene
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