False: Christ's righteousness imputed to believers

[GeneBalthrop]

Kerwin…..indeed the spirit of God is God, and it transfers the very intellect of God the Father to us. That is why it say “know you not that your body is the temple of the Living God. Yes GOD who is spirit was actually in JESUS and at time spoke “directly” through Jesus mouth. Glad you understand this brother, many do not.

peace and love to you and yours. ……………..gene

[kerwin]

Gene,

God is present in all of creation and always has been. His Spirit is not as where it is the fruits of the Spirit are seen. The fruit of the Spirit is “love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, meekness, self-control”. When the fruit is revealed by a believer then God can be seen living in that person. When believers who live by the Spirit meet Jesus is there because he is seen living in other believers who live by the Spirit.

Even as God is seen living in a believer he is still present in all creation and even as Jesus is seen living in believers he is still physically present in heaven.

Those that live by the Spirit are united in the same Spirit, with the same faith, having the same Highest Emperor, and the same God, whom is above and present all creation.

[terraricca]

kw

Terrarica,

Do you believe the spirit of a human being is that human being?

If no then why do you believe the Spirit of God is God?

you have it right ;the spirit of man is the spirit OF a human

and the spirit OF God is the spirit OF a GOD (not God )

[GeneBalthrop]

Terricca…….BUT Jesus said GOD IS SPIRIT, and those who worship himmiust worship him in spirit and truth, right brother ?

peace and love to you and yours. ……………..gene

[GeneBalthrop]

Kerwin……I agree with the last post, i have no problm with it. I have alway said God lives varcariousely in and through his creation.

God can speak first person through any of his creation, humans, angels, animals of all kinds, scripture says “that GOD MAY BE IN ALL AND THROUGH ALL”. Scrpture plainly says that, “GOD SPOKE” to us in times past through the prophets, and has spoken to us in theses last times through a Son. The very mind i.e. spirit, of GOD was and is in all creation and supplies life to it all including us. IMO

peace and love to you and yours. ……………..gene

[NickHassan]

Hi GB,

Just because God gives life to living things does not say that the Spirit of God is in all.

A false conclusion based on false knowledge and trust in your own intellect over revelation.

[terraricca]

Gene

again ;Ro 7:25 Thanks be to God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.

Ro 8:1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,
Ro 8:2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death.
Ro 8:3 For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man,
Ro 8:4 in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.
Ro 8:5 Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires.
Ro 8:6 The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace;
Ro 8:7 the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.
Ro 8:8 Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God.
this would mean that those people are living for the flesh ;mind and soul and heart

Ro 8:9 You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.this mean that those people are now controlling their body and mind and heart and soul to produce what the teachings of God that gives life has given through Jesus Christ this is how the spirit(God’s truth teachings) of God lives in them

[kerwin]

Terrarica,

you have it right ;the spirit of man is the spirit OF a human

and the spirit OF God is the spirit OF a GOD (not God )

So you disagree with the translators who believe it is speaking of God and instead believe it is speaking of the Christ but I agree with them as I believe the Spirit teaches the deep things of God, which Jesus Christ learned.

[terraricca]

kw

I do not understand your answer ,it does not make sense to me ,you seem lost on the word “spirit” and its various meanings

Pr 1:1 The proverbs of Solomon son of David, king of Israel:
Pr 1:2 for attaining wisdom and discipline;
for understanding words of insight;
Pr 1:3 for acquiring a disciplined and prudent life,
doing what is right and just and fair;
Pr 1:4 for giving prudence to the simple,
knowledge and discretion to the young—
Pr 1:5 let the wise listen and add to their learning,
and let the discerning get guidance—
Pr 1:6 for understanding proverbs and parables,
the sayings and riddles of the wise.

Pr 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge,
but fools despise wisdom and discipline.

compere ;

REV 2:24 ‘But I say to you, the rest who are in Thyatira, who do not hold this teaching, who have not known the deep things of Satan, as they call them—I place no other burden on you.

you disagree with me but i told you the truth from scriptures you did not even give a scriptures

[kerwin]

Terrarica,

What does the Spirit reveal that are called “deep things of God”?

Galatians 5:22-23New English Translation (NET Bible)

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

The fruits are the deep things of God.

Ephesians 4:24New English Translation (NET Bible)

24 and to put on the new man who has been created in God’s image—in righteousness and holiness that comes from truth.

Colossians 3:10New English Translation (NET Bible)

10 and have been clothed with the new man that is being renewed in knowledge according to the image of the one who created it.

Jeremiah 31:31-33New English Translation (NET Bible)

31 “Indeed, a time is coming,” says the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah. 32 It will not be like the old covenant that I made with their ancestors when I delivered them from Egypt. For they violated that covenant, even though I was like a faithful husband to them,” says the Lord. 33 “But I will make a new covenant with the whole nation of Israel after I plant them back in the land,” says the Lord. “I will put my law within them and write it on their hearts and minds. I will be their God and they will be my people.

The deep things are the knowledge of being created like God in true righteousness as his Spirit is but in us and writes the image of the holiness and righteousness of God on our hearts.

[terraricca]

kw

The deep things are the knowledge of being created like God in true righteousness as his Spirit is but in us and writes the image of the holiness and righteousness of God on our hearts.

is that was true then all the wicked ones would also be in God and God in them and the devil would have a ball to go to

[kerwin]

Terrarica,

I hear your conclusion but have no idea how you believe that “all the wicked ones” would put on the new man created in the image of God’s righteousness and holiness”. Please explain!

[terraricca]

kw

The deep things are the knowledge of being created like God

any wicked can believe this but does not mean he changes that is why your thinking is not valid

[kerwin]

Terrarica,

Do you think a person who loves to sin would want to believe their is a way to stop sinning or that they will be saved from destruction despite their love of sin?

[terraricca]

kw

Pr 1:1 The proverbs of Solomon son of David, king of Israel:
Pr 1:2 for attaining wisdom and discipline;
for understanding words of insight;
Pr 1:3 for acquiring a disciplined and prudent life,
doing what is right and just and fair;
Pr 1:4 for giving prudence to the simple,
knowledge and discretion to the young—
Pr 1:5 let the wise listen and add to their learning,
and let the discerning get guidance—
Pr 1:6 for understanding proverbs and parables,
the sayings and riddles of the wise.

Pr 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge,
but fools despise wisdom and discipline.

in verse 6 it talks about understanding proverbs and parables sayings,riddles,of the wise

now tell me who his the wise man ever live on earth ? can you understand his parables ?his riddles ?

I can tell that you are a man that find a pearl in a field will run home and enjoy it, but you would never have bought the land to seek for more pearls

[GeneBalthrop]

Nick…..GOD DOES MORE THEN JUST GIVEN THEM LIFE , HE GIVES THE THEM THE “INTELLECTS” TO SUSTAIN THERE LIFE. His spirit intellects are present in all living things or they simply would not live. He PUTS SPIRIT IN THE BODIES HECREATED to perform just as he sees fit. All creatures have their spirit from GOD. BOTH THE GOOD AND THE EVIL, THE CLEAN OR THE UNCLEAN. GOD SPIRIT PRODUCES THE LIFE IN ALL THINGS, BOTH GOOD AND EVIL. BECAUSE “LIFE” itself consists of good and evil , it always has and always will. God told ADAM AND EVE not to “EAT” (take to themselves ) to “produce” the knowledge of good and evil, but they chose throw their will to eat, (to take to themselves) , and so they had to experience it, for themselves. So while mankind experiences good it also must experience evil and evil brings death, just as good brings life. GOD THE FATHER IS “SOVERIGN” IN ALL THINGS. IMO

peace and love to you and yours. …………..gene

[kerwin]

Terrarica,

A good verse for all Scripture is the “proverbs and parables,
the sayings and riddles of the wise. “

[terraricca]

Kw

 

I am out you are to righteous in your  own eyes

 

Bye

[kerwin]

Terrarica,

So me saying that Proverbs 1:6 is a good verse applies to all of Scripture” reveals to you that I am righteous in my own eyes.

Are you sure of that?

[terraricca]

Kw

 

No that,s not it it is the way you respond  look at what the conversation  was and how you have short cut it ,

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