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I wouldn't say in anyway they are doing any sort of work on behalf of Yah. I would say that Yah has opened up to some people hidden abilities, and they use those abilities to fulfill their own will, receiving personal gain.
I feel we are getting off from the more important subject. I don't like to dwell on things I am speculating on. What we have established is that there is no proof or reasonable evidence that would support the idea that medians or phsycics get their information or abilities from sinful angels.
I would really like you to address my other post please.
From Catholoic encyclopedia:
The account of the fall of our First Parents (Genesis 3) is couched in such terms that it is impossible to see in it anything more than the acknowledgment of the existence of a principle of evil who was jealous of the human race.
The statement (Genesis 6:1) that the “sons of God” married the daughters of men is explained of the fall of the angels, in Enoch,This is serious insanity to me. Folks please read this carefully with an open heart and mind.
2 Peter 2:10 This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings; 11 yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord. 12 But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
Angels with immortality having the privilege and honor to dwell in Yah’s Holy Habitation and to assist Yah in earthly matters, could not in all truth be jealous of man. The idea of that is pure insanity to me. On the contrary MAN WAS JEALOUS of angels. I believe that is exactly what 2 Peter is telling us. Lets really think about this for a moment. Angels are Yah’s personal messengers on earth, they establish Yah’s authority on earth. Man despised the angels authority, and man told lies about them out of hate because they were acting like creatures of instinct not being able to handle submission. When we are told in Titus not to believe in Jewish myths, I am feeling quite certain that the Book of Enoch is indeed one we are to recognize as such.
The doctrine of sinful angels hating mankind out of jealousy and mating with them, distorts the simple truth and lesson of Genesis 6.
Genesis 6:1 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
3 And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive F9 with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”
4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them.What we have here are two groups of descendants the descendants of Seth and the descendants of Cain. Seth’s descendants were the sons of God and Cain’s were the unrighteous. This is not hard to figure out since we know that Cain was cursed and the bible shows one of his descendants becomes a murderer. Upon the time Seth was born the bible says that man began to call upon the Lord. Seth’s descendants included Enoch and Noah, both followers of Yah. Yah tested the sons of God by creating in Cain’s descendants really hot chicks, so hot, the sons of God could not control themselves and married them. These woman turned their evil ways over to the sons of God and those sons became wicked. We see that Yah says in verse 3 that His spirit shall not abide in man for ever. Why does He say this and why is this true? Yah is pointing out how easy it is when man is exposed with a fleshly weakness that he falls for it. In this case it was really hot chicks.
How can we even begin to believe that the book of Enoch is true? Yeshua tells us that angels don’t marry, therefore they could not be the sons here, because these sons get married. Also the giants existed BEFORE and after these marriages took place, thus the giants had nothing to do with the marriages themselves. As well, the following scriptures refer to the wicked as HUMAN BEINGS, not as half breeds of angels and mankind.
Yah goes on to say that He is sorry that he made mankind, and yet we don't see anything about Him being sorry He made the angels. I think it is also a crucial point that in 6:5 it says why man is evil, and it has nothing to do with breeding with sinful angels, but with the imagination and heart within man.
Quote (Colter @ April 20 2008,14:07) Quote You see this is a common sense problem for me right here with you saying that a created being was a brilliant being of light and fell from being that light. In the bible light represents righteousness and holiness. Yah's intelligent creatures grow into righteousness, they don't fall out of righteousness. If it were true that Yah's creatures could fall out of righteousness, then Yah looses ALL credibilaty, He looses His greatness, He looses our trust in that we can depend on Him and His ways for a glorious and peaceful future. How can we trust Yeshua? He came as a light into our world, should we be on guard that he too might fall? * If apreist molest a child does that mean the child should no longer trust God? I think not, the fall of the evil one has not effected my faith in God, if anything it has strengthend it. The fair and loving way that the Father and the Son delt with the arch rebels is quite amazeing.
* If the war in heaven is as you say, a future event will you then loose your faith as the Dragon and his fallen angels(which you emply can't exist) has the war against Michael?
Colter
“If a preist molest a child does that mean the child should no longer trust God?” Of course not, I don't see how that takes away from my point. Yah 's promise is immortality, but that immortality is granted by Yah's work in securing our faith in Him. When we receive immortality that sets our righteousness into permanence, for immortality destroys all the lingering weakness that are present in our flesh. We are set in stone and we will not be removed, that is the glory and the honor of Yah's promise, and that is our hope. I believe Yah holds this truth to all his intelligent creatures.Colter the dragon never had any faith, the dragon represents kingdoms on earth who have always subjected themselves to their own wills. They were in heaven, means that they were above all other nations in authority and they were vain and cruel because of it. They fell from heaven to the earth means that Yah brought them back to reality, He brought their vanity into embarrassment and shame. The word angel in the bible simply means messenger, and in this case given the context, since we know the dragon means kingdoms, the messengers are the men of those kingdoms. Michael and his messengers battle against them the same way angels interceded in the OT and the same way they will with Yeshua when he returns.
Quote (Colter @ April 20 2008,17:11) Jodi, I see that these beliefs that you have are important to your philosophical world view; your faith. Let's just let it be.
Colter
O.k. Colter, sounds good.Peace and love to you brother, Jodi
Jodi! Jude 6 ” And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto judgement of the great day.”
Jude 7 ” Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner giving themselves over to fornication and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. (Compare with 2 Peter 2:4)
Jude is comparing homosexuality, strange flesh to the angels going after woman, human beings.
Spirit nature and human nature don't blend, neither does homosexuality. Ir is against God's design.
These are the angels that left their first estate, their habitat, for the sake of the woman, and now are locked in chains of darkness, not allowed to roam the earth.
These angels fell after many generations of men, when woman were born to men.
Satan and his fallen angels were already fallen when God created man.
They are allowed to roam and deceive men. So you see, there are two groups of fallen angels.
Why would you even think that the sons of Cain are sons of God? Is Cain God? And are you suggesting that Seth had no Sons at all? What Sons would they be?
Job says,” All the Sons of God shouted for joy,” when God created the earth. Job 38:7 Who's Sons were they?
And why would it be a sin for Cain Sons to marry any woman.
That would certainly have been no reason for God to destroy the earth. And are we today any less violent? Again, no reason for God to destroy all mankind.
Sometimes it is harder to unlearn untruth, then it is to believe truth.
Peace and Love Mrs.No, Jude is not trying to make a comparison between the two
Jude 1:
First example of those who disobey and are destroyed-
5 and to remind you I intend, you knowing once this, that the Lord, a people out of the land of Egypt having saved, again those who did not believe did destroy;Second example
6 messengers also, those who did not keep their own principality, but did leave their proper dwelling, to a judgment of a great day, in bonds everlasting, under darkness He hath kept,Third example
7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them, in like manner to these, having given themselves to whoredom, and gone after other flesh, have been set before — an example, of fire age-during, justice suffering.In verse 7, 'in like manner to these' is obviously referring to 'the cities around them'.
These are separate examples of sinners, and the point that is being made is sinners are destroyed.
You are really forcing your doctrine. There is NOTHING here that says angels had sex with humans and created half breeds.
Seriously it is like fable added to fable, forcing scriptures to say things they do not say what so ever.
Even if what you believe were true, the messengers were destroyed and the half breeds were destroyed in the flood. Notice how Cain sinned all on his own, he was not a half breed. How do you explain that? Notice how we see sin reappear soon after Noah, no half breeds were necessary for that.
Here is another problem, you are to busy forcing doctrine that you don't even realize that the giants, the nephilim existed BEFORE the son's of God came into the daughters, and then after that. The text does not say that they were the result of the sex.
Genesis 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days–and also afterward–when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
In the time of David, the giants existed as well remember. That was not the result of fallen angels. Are midgets some other sort of half breed too, Mrs.?
There is not a single scripture that says man sins through the influence of sinful angels or half breeds. But there are countless scriptures which I have given that say time and time again that man's sin comes from within, from his own heart.
All sin can be related to our weak flesh and the EARTHLY temptations and the struggles that come from the earth.
I think if you take a moment and look deep into the root of sin you will see the absurdity of the idea that some fallen angel has anything to do with it. God's punishment of death has everything to do with it. The fact that we get tired, feel pain, worry about feeding our families, get stressed, try to relieve that stress through drugs and alcohol. All SIN relates to MAN'S OWN WEAKNESSES. Every evil that we see in the world comes from man. The children that open fired guns in their school and then killed themselves suffered from the sick world which we have created. To say that evil comes from the influence of a fallen angel is to put a veil over your face because you do not want to see the truth. Sin is the result of man's selfishness and his inadequate ways to deal with stress and suffering.
Why don't you try and give me one example that shows the work of a sinful angel influencing a person to sin?
Mrs. you said, “Spirit nature and human nature don't blend, neither does homosexuality.” Exactly they do not blend and just like homosexuals cannot create children, neither can angels and humans. Good point!
Mrs. YOU REALLY need to read what I write… for the second time, I did not say that Cain's descendants were the son's of God, I said Seth's were.
Chapter 5 right before it talks about the sons of God in chapter 6, we are told about Seth's descendants which walked with God and called upon his name. I think it is amazing how you would rather call sinful angels 'Sons of God' before you would call Noah and Enoch! Come ON!
Mrs. don't you realize I was brought up believing in fallen angels. I did come from the WWC. This is not about me needing to unlearn anything. It is about me finally reading scripture for myself and seeing that clearly something does not add up between what I was told and what the truth really is.
Mrs. how do you deal with the fact that Genesis never mentions half breeds and never mentions sinful angels being the cause for man's wickedness? How do you get past the fact that man's wickedness is directly identified as coming from within man's own heart?
Peace to you, Jodi
Greetings Jodi….”For the heart of the man is hopelessly wicked and who would know it”….I would think that a statement such as that would deminish the effectiveness of the practice of Physcology today purely on the basis that I could be anyone I want to be at the time….Is there a such a thing as demonic possession….And if there is does the per son who is posessed have any control…What do you think?
Quote (Jodi @ April 21 2008,10:35) Yeshua tells us that angels don’t marry, therefore they could not be the sons here, because these sons get married.
Hi Jodi,I'm sorry that I'm not adding anything meaty to any discussion lately. I've been pretty stressed out and so I haven't been studying (or even feeling the desire to, I confess).
But I've wondered about the angels getting all jiggy with the women of earth. If they lusted after them……what prevents them from lusting after them NOW? I've wondered about that?
I mean, are they “watching” us undress and whatever? You know what I'm saying? Freaky…..
JODI first of all you need to address this to my husband, I have nothing to do with the article and do not want to either, because like I said before I have not studied about angels enough to give an opinion. All I do know that Satan is real and not just in our minds. He can get into our mind if we let Him and become Demon possessed. That also answers theodorej question, the person that becomes Demon possessed first doubts before Satan can do His dirty work. From now on my Husband is going to sign His name to the articles that He writes.
Peace and Love IreneQuote (Not3in1 @ May 03 2008,04:42) Quote (Jodi @ April 21 2008,10:35) Yeshua tells us that angels don’t marry, therefore they could not be the sons here, because these sons get married.
Hi Jodi,I'm sorry that I'm not adding anything meaty to any discussion lately. I've been pretty stressed out and so I haven't been studying (or even feeling the desire to, I confess).
But I've wondered about the angels getting all jiggy with the women of earth. If they lusted after them……what prevents them from lusting after them NOW? I've wondered about that?
I mean, are they “watching” us undress and whatever? You know what I'm saying? Freaky…..
Hi! I just have to say something to this. A long time ago when we belonged to the Cath. Church, I had a mutual friend that also was involved with polotics. We were talking about Demons etc. She told me that a Demon got in Bed with Her. But I really think, that we have to invite them in, otherwise they are not aloud to come near us, those that under Chrisr's Blood and are Children of God. So we have nothing to worry about. But they try to get in and I have felt them in our House many times before and all I say in Jesus Name leave and they do have too, and they do
. And the House is peaceful again. It does not happen to oftern anymore. When we first left the Cath. Church I had several run ins. Satan was so mad, He thought He had us.
Peace and Love IreneHi theodorej,
I think that when people read the word spirit they let their imaginations run wild.
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Col 1:21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior.Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
People focus on being torn between the influence of fallen angels and the influence of Yah. When the truth and the reality is that evil influences come directly from within our own mind. The doctrine of fallen angels is a stumbling block, it is not wisdom, it is deceit. The doctrine is a deterrent, taking away from the fact that our problem is that without Yah we are not capable of doing good. We are imperfect because, we are ignorant and we need to learn that we need Yah to perfect us. We don't need Yah to protect us from the influence of sinful angels, we need Yah to strengthen our weaknesses. Our weaknesses are not that we allow sinful angels to influence us, our weaknesses come from our selfish nature that feeds off the fear of death.
Galatians 5:19 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God
Once again, instead of waisting time thinking about how not to let something influence you that does not exist, people need to look at the root of where their sin lies. It is not that we are weak to let sinful angels influence us, it is we are weak because we are flesh and blood. We need Yah to give us strength to overcome those weaknesses until we are made immortal and those weaknesses are wiped away. Death will then no longer have dominion over our minds, we will be free to live for life and Yah, and not for our mere survival, but for enjoyment and fulfillment.
1Jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
What is the spirit of error? The mind that makes decisions according to the flesh and not according to the Spirit of Yah.
James 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. 13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
James 4:1 From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? 2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. 3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts. 4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. 5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy? 6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and PURIFY YOUR HEARTS, ye double minded. 9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. 10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
What is the devil? It should be clear that our devil is our own mind when it allows our lusts to control our actions. We are tempted by our own lusts. What makes us lust, is it sinful angels that ignite our lusts? No, our lusts are ignited by our weak flesh.
Romans 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
Ro 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Ro 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
We don't walk after the influence of sinful angels. We walk after our flesh when we commit sin.
Ro 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Ro 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Those who's minds are in the flesh cannot please Yah. The mind that is set on the Spirit of Yah, pleases Yah.
So I believe your question theodorej was about demon possession. I believe I have shown a good case for the root of influence to man's sin, and that is his weak flesh which draws the mind away from Yah and into the lust and actions of evil.
There are many scriptures that identify the cause and influence of man's sin, and not ONE of them relates them to a sinful angel. Satan and the devil are never said to be sinful angels. They are identified however in the bible as Yah, Yah's messengers, as men, and as governments of authority.
The curse to mankind of diseases and illnesses we are told in the Old Testament are the result of Yah and Yah alone has that power. So when we read of someone in the New Testament of being possessed or inflicted with an evil spirit or a demon, there is no scriptural base what so ever to lead us to believe that they are the cause of sinful angel powers and influences.
We inflict our minds with evil, and Yah inflicts our minds with mental disorders that further weakens our flesh.
Why does Yah do such things? Why did He make us weak and why does He bring unto man infliction to make us all the more weaker?
I believe He had to do so because first of all we know that good character develops under adversity and hardship. Yah brings us down to build us up into something strong and great. Second, no matter if we are weak or strong, we still need Yah. By making us weak, by giving us death, it makes us desire what He has all the more, it draws us to Him.
Romans 5:3 And not only that, but we also boast in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, 4 and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, 5 and hope does not disappoint us, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit that has been given to us.
Heb 5:8 Although he was a Son, he learned obedience through what he suffered;
Suffering creates a desire for obedience and all the while it can work to develope good character.
Quote (seek and you will find @ May 02 2008,10:04) Quote (Not3in1 @ May 03 2008,04:42) Quote (Jodi @ April 21 2008,10:35) Yeshua tells us that angels don’t marry, therefore they could not be the sons here, because these sons get married.
Hi Jodi,I'm sorry that I'm not adding anything meaty to any discussion lately. I've been pretty stressed out and so I haven't been studying (or even feeling the desire to, I confess).
But I've wondered about the angels getting all jiggy with the women of earth. If they lusted after them……what prevents them from lusting after them NOW? I've wondered about that?
I mean, are they “watching” us undress and whatever? You know what I'm saying? Freaky…..
Hi! I just have to say something to this. A long time ago when we belonged to the Cath. Church, I had a mutual friend that also was involved with polotics. We were talking about Demons etc. She told me that a Demon got in Bed with Her. But I really think, that we have to invite them in, otherwise they are not aloud to come near us, those that under Chrisr's Blood and are Children of God. So we have nothing to worry about. But they try to get in and I have felt them in our House many times before and all I say in Jesus Name leave and they do have too, and they do
. And the House is peaceful again. It does not happen to oftern anymore. When we first left the Cath. Church I had several run ins. Satan was so mad, He thought He had us.
Peace and Love Irene
Mrs., I believe that is all in your mind. Believing such lies, Yah will send you delusions to make you further believe such nonsense.Mandy, your comment is interesting and it shows how indeed this doctrine takes away from the work that can be done in us by knowing the truth. People are delusional, they think in ways you have just described. They fear unnecessary things which create a great distraction from them working on their own character. They spend their time thinking about how evil angels are, instead of looking at the true root of their problems, which is themselves and the 'earthly' influences around them.
Peace to you both, Jodi
Jodi….You have presented an effective argument with respect to the evil that abides in us all and I agree….However I don't feel you have satisfied the argument adressing demonic posession in a physical sense…Lets look at the circumstances surrounding the Maniac of Gadara…Where Jesus cast several demons from this person…and in doing so they carried on a converstion with him..after which they physically left the person and occupied a group of swine which went mad and consequentely jumped off a cliff….
Quote (Jodi @ May 03 2008,08:36) Quote (seek and you will find @ May 02 2008,10:04) Quote (Not3in1 @ May 03 2008,04:42) Quote (Jodi @ April 21 2008,10:35) Yeshua tells us that angels don’t marry, therefore they could not be the sons here, because these sons get married.
Hi Jodi,I'm sorry that I'm not adding anything meaty to any discussion lately. I've been pretty stressed out and so I haven't been studying (or even feeling the desire to, I confess).
But I've wondered about the angels getting all jiggy with the women of earth. If they lusted after them……what prevents them from lusting after them NOW? I've wondered about that?
I mean, are they “watching” us undress and whatever? You know what I'm saying? Freaky…..
Hi! I just have to say something to this. A long time ago when we belonged to the Cath. Church, I had a mutual friend that also was involved with polotics. We were talking about Demons etc. She told me that a Demon got in Bed with Her. But I really think, that we have to invite them in, otherwise they are not aloud to come near us, those that under Chrisr's Blood and are Children of God. So we have nothing to worry about. But they try to get in and I have felt them in our House many times before and all I say in Jesus Name leave and they do have too, and they do
. And the House is peaceful again. It does not happen to oftern anymore. When we first left the Cath. Church I had several run ins. Satan was so mad, He thought He had us.
Peace and Love Irene
Mrs., I believe that is all in your mind. Believing such lies, Yah will send you delusions to make you further believe such nonsense.Mandy, your comment is interesting and it shows how indeed this doctrine takes away from the work that can be done in us by knowing the truth. People are delusional, they think in ways you have just described. They fear unnecessary things which create a great distraction from them working on their own character. They spend their time thinking about how evil angels are, instead of looking at the true root of their problems, which is themselves and the 'earthly' influences around them.
Peace to you both, Jodi
I confess that I haven't been following all of your posts about angels, and so I may have missed a huge part here…..but did not the angels come down and mate with the women? Or don't you believe that? You can give me a short, short answer. I'll need to catch up with everyone later. I've only been skimming.Jodi…..Fear is heightened awareness and is healthy….And without fear there is no courage…and without courage we are not be able to stand up to ourselves let alone the powers of darkness…
Quote (theodorej @ May 02 2008,14:38) Jodi….You have presented an effective argument with respect to the evil that abides in us all and I agree….However I don't feel you have satisfied the argument adressing demonic posession in a physical sense…Lets look at the circumstances surrounding the Maniac of Gadara…Where Jesus cast several demons from this person…and in doing so they carried on a converstion with him..after which they physically left the person and occupied a group of swine which went mad and consequentely jumped off a cliff….
So the swine went mad. Yeshua took the mental diseases and inflicted the swine with them, which as you said, it made them go so crazy they ran down a steep bank and drowned into the water.Are you aware of certain mental diseases and disorders and what they can do to a person? In some cases a whole different personality can be created within the person, actually several personalities can be created. These personalities are often evil in spirit, being violent and verbally abusive. They can also be very intelligent and deceptive.
We have to realize that the authors used the language at the time. When someone acted like a loon, people did not understand such things as brain tumors, they ignorantly and superstitiously believed that the cause of the weird and often evil behavior was because of a dead person's spirit haunting them.
These are the facts I go by. We are never told that the demons are sinful angels. The behavior is a result, we know medically, as a mental illness, disease or condition. The bible tells us that Yah is responsible for the infliction of illnesses and diseases.
In college I took a few classes that studied mental disorders. I also took a class on Human deviancy were we dove into the cause of deviant behavior from childhood to adulthood. I watched some pretty amazing documentaries on the sick and weird things people with disorders due. It is easy to watch them and feed into the ancient myths of long ago. Thankfully the documentaries were through the medical profession, so the cause of their behavior was scientifically identified.
Quote (Not3in1 @ May 02 2008,14:47) Quote (Jodi @ May 03 2008,08:36) Quote (seek and you will find @ May 02 2008,10:04) Quote (Not3in1 @ May 03 2008,04:42) Quote (Jodi @ April 21 2008,10:35) Yeshua tells us that angels don’t marry, therefore they could not be the sons here, because these sons get married.
Hi Jodi,I'm sorry that I'm not adding anything meaty to any discussion lately. I've been pretty stressed out and so I haven't been studying (or even feeling the desire to, I confess).
But I've wondered about the angels getting all jiggy with the women of earth. If they lusted after them……what prevents them from lusting after them NOW? I've wondered about that?
I mean, are they “watching” us undress and whatever? You know what I'm saying? Freaky…..
Hi! I just have to say something to this. A long time ago when we belonged to the Cath. Church, I had a mutual friend that also was involved with polotics. We were talking about Demons etc. She told me that a Demon got in Bed with Her. But I really think, that we have to invite them in, otherwise they are not aloud to come near us, those that under Chrisr's Blood and are Children of God. So we have nothing to worry about. But they try to get in and I have felt them in our House many times before and all I say in Jesus Name leave and they do have too, and they do
. And the House is peaceful again. It does not happen to oftern anymore. When we first left the Cath. Church I had several run ins. Satan was so mad, He thought He had us.
Peace and Love Irene
Mrs., I believe that is all in your mind. Believing such lies, Yah will send you delusions to make you further believe such nonsense.Mandy, your comment is interesting and it shows how indeed this doctrine takes away from the work that can be done in us by knowing the truth. People are delusional, they think in ways you have just described. They fear unnecessary things which create a great distraction from them working on their own character. They spend their time thinking about how evil angels are, instead of looking at the true root of their problems, which is themselves and the 'earthly' influences around them.
Peace to you both, Jodi
I confess that I haven't been following all of your posts about angels, and so I may have missed a huge part here…..but did not the angels come down and mate with the women? Or don't you believe that? You can give me a short, short answer. I'll need to catch up with everyone later. I've only been skimming.
Hey Sis,Yes, you must have missed a lot. I do not believe that angels came down and mated with humans. I believe that any angel who sinned, did so before our existence, and have been reserved in chains until the day of judgment. All angels alive today, 'never to die anymore,' as we will be someday, are Son's of Yah, being righteous and devoted followers. The only battle we have against sin is within ourselves and the earthly influences of the world.
Peace to you, and I hope you get more time so you can go back and read in more depth, Jodi
Quote (Jodi @ May 03 2008,10:25) We have to realize that the authors used the language at the time. When someone acted like a loon, people did not understand such things as brain tumors, they ignorantly and superstitiously believed that the cause of the weird and often evil behavior was because of a dead person's spirit haunting them. These are the facts I go by. We are never told that the demons are sinful angels. The behavior is a result, we know medically, as a mental illness, disease or condition. The bible tells us that Yah is responsible for the infliction of illnesses and diseases.
Hi jodi,
So that I am clear on your thinking about the bible.
Do you believe that sometimes it is the inspired word of God so can not be wrong, and other times believe that it is the uninspired ramblings of superstitious bronze age people?Tim
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