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Kerwin………Ok, I know you believe there is life after death, we have had a difference on this a long time now. I do understand how you and other can get from the Parable of the rich man and Lazarus the idea that the dead are still alive, if you take that parable in a literal sense. I believe Nick does also and many others do to. I just do not take it as a Literal condition of the dead. I believe the scriptures I Posted is the true condition of the dead, I also believe there is a resurrection of Bodies and spirit added back into it and after that, we are once again a “LIVING SOUL” and there is a future standing of Judgement reserved all of mankind.
We are told it is appointed unto man once to die and after that the Judgement, you and Nick it appears believe you are judged in the grave where you still are alive, which to me mean you believe you really did not truly die, i do not believe we are still alive when we die. I believe Jesus was truly DEAD, and not alive at all for three days and nights, when he was in the grave, but was resurrected back to life by the power of God, three days after he died. I do not believe Jesus had any recall of anything in the grave for his spirit was removes from his body when he died and went back to God, and it remained that way until his resurrection took place and then his spirit was added back to his body. I also believe it is the same with us.
Kerwin, we just have a difference of opinions on this one, none of it will prevent us from going into the kingdom of God brother.
peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
GeneB.
Do you believe:
1.Jesus is made less than the angels(made of flesh)?
2. Do you believe God's only begotten Son is made of flesh?
3.Do you believe the Father is a spirit; and the Son,is flesh?
4.Do you still believe that angels are made of flesh?
5. Do you believe that the Word of God
is just a formless spirit? Can create; but can not give
himself a form. ??Will you answer with honesty?
wakeup.
Wakeup……….God did not make man to be destroyed, his intent was and is for man to live for ever.
1…. you again change my words, Where have i ever said Jesus was less then the angels or for that matter, man was less then the angels.
Both Jesus and Mans destiny i above the Angels, know you not you shall judge angels, , in that he say “ALL things are “UNDER” the foot of Man , he has left “NOTHING” that is not “UNDER” the foot of MAN.2……..Sure do, and he as a man Has now attained to ALL things are UNDER his FEET , Just as we are destined to also. Do you believe you are NOW a son of GOD, and are you still a flesh and blood being? Why do you try to separate Jesus from your “EXACT” IDENTITY with Him. Who has lead you to that conclusion it certainly was not Jesus or God the Father , so what spirit wants you to see Jesus as different then we are?
3……. Yes i do believe God is a SPIRIT and Jesus is a flesh and bone being and will return as such a son of Man, just as he said he will. when the Son of Man returns will he find Faith on the earth?.
4……..Do not know what type of bodies they have but God puts their spirit in those bodies that is for sure. They do have bodies of some kind. I do believe they are physical bodies though of some type.
5……..I believe all word are formless expression of Spirits working in a persons mind, a word simply means (intelligent utterance) words are simply expression of the minds intellect which is from the spirit. I believe Spirit if it self can do nothing, unless it is in a power source, like a flesh body, or a body of some kind, if it is not in a body,we are told it goes abut in arid places looking for rest and the spirit earnestly desires us Spirit must be attached to some kind of power source to effect its will. Jesus has the seven spirit of God with the seven HORN (powers) also, and will rule this earth with them. Just as Revelations says.
God lives vicariously “IN” and Through HIS CREATION and He has all power that exists in his hands also. He was truly “IN” Jesus , but that never made Jesus Him. Not now or ever will God can exist in all at one time , of haven't you read this that God can be in ALL and through ALL
This is my honest answers, in fact all my answers i give here are what i honestly believe. Wakeup, all you have to do, is produce scriptures that specifically say what you imply, but forcing text to say what in fact they don't say specifically only add to confusion here brother. Be careful that scriptures actually say what you are saying.
peace and love to you and your……………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 29 2014,02:33) Wakeup……….God did not make man to be destroyed, his intent was and is for man to live for ever. 1…. you again change my words, Where have i ever said Jesus was less then the angels or for that matter, man was less then the angels.
Both Jesus and Mans destiny i above the Angels, know you not you shall judge angels, , in that he say “ALL things are “UNDER” the foot of Man , he has left “NOTHING” that is not “UNDER” the foot of MAN.2……..Sure do, and he as a man Has now attained to ALL things are UNDER his FEET , Just as we are destined to also. Do you believe you are NOW a son of GOD, and are you still a flesh and blood being? Why do you try to separate Jesus from your “EXACT” IDENTITY with Him. Who has lead you to that conclusion it certainly was not Jesus or God the Father , so what spirit wants you to see Jesus as different then we are?
3……. Yes i do believe God is a SPIRIT and Jesus is a flesh and bone being and will return as such a son of Man, just as he said he will. when the Son of Man returns will he find Faith on the earth?.
4……..Do not know what type of bodies they have but God puts their spirit in those bodies that is for sure. They do have bodies of some kind. I do believe they are physical bodies though of some type.
5……..I believe all word are formless expression of Spirits working in a persons mind, a word simply means (intelligent utterance) words are simply expression of the minds intellect which is from the spirit. I believe Spirit if it self can do nothing, unless it is in a power source, like a flesh body, or a body of some kind, if it is not in a body,we are told it goes abut in arid places looking for rest and the spirit earnestly desires us Spirit must be attached to some kind of power source to effect its will. Jesus has the seven spirit of God with the seven HORN (powers) also, and will rule this earth with them. Just as Revelations says.
God lives vicariously “IN” and Through HIS CREATION and He has all power that exists in his hands also. He was truly “IN” Jesus , but that never made Jesus Him. Not now or ever will God can exist in all at one time , of haven't you read this that God can be in ALL and through ALL
This is my honest answers, in fact all my answers i give here are what i honestly believe. Wakeup, all you have to do, is produce scriptures that specifically say what you imply, but forcing text to say what in fact they don't say specifically only add to confusion here brother. Be careful that scriptures actually say what you are saying.
peace and love to you and your……………………gene
GeneB.1. You believe Jesus is now still flesh;
but the angels are made spirit.That makes Jesus less than
the angels. We are flesh;and we are not higher than the
angels; are we?2.Psalms 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at
my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
You have just contradicted this scripture.
This body is not what we shall be;for we shall be
changed. We will be God's children once we have gone
through the test.(the tribulation). And proven worthy.3. The Word of God will return as king of kings, and Lord of
Lords.(rev.19).
Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture
dipped in blood:
***and his name is called The Word of God***.
HE is not called Jesus. ??4.You seem to be unsure what bodies spirits have.
And yet,can make a statement that they have
no spirit body. Did scripture not say that angels are made
spirit? Why cant you agree with scripture?5. You say all words are formless,and that spirit it self can
not do anything unless in a flesh body.
I say that you are wrong: Sample:
1. Let there be light; and there was light.
2. Luzarus; come out. And he came out.
3. The word said; walk; you are healed, and he walked.
You need some explaining to do.God is a Spirit; do you believe that he has not a body?
Do you believe that HE needs a flesh body to operate,
or else HE can not operate?Question: How did God operate before anything was
created?wakeup.
Waktup………Jesus said he was the root and offspring of King David, the apostle Paul said he was of the Loins of David, God promised David he would have a son from his Loins that would sit on his throne. Moses said the LORD, would raise up “FROM” the Israelite's a Prophet “LIKE” HIM. So do you also think Moses was a Spirit of God, or the word of God , because he spoke God's words to Israel. Wakeup you have been greatly deceived my friend, but you certainly are not alone. You whole premise on Jesus and human Beings, is all the product of false teachers who are of the synagogues of Satan and preach his message of a Different Jesus and Person who is “SEPARATE” in identity from the rest of his human “BROTHERS, and SISTERS. Pray about it and maybe God will take the deception away from you and your eyes will be opened and you will greatly rejoice in your humanity and come to understand how much God loves His human creation and his plans for us in the future.
peace and love to you and yours wakeup………………………………………..gene
Hi GB,
You say
“5……..I believe all word are formless expression of Spirits working in a persons mind, a word simply means (intelligent utterance) words are simply expression of the minds intellect which is from the spirit. I believe Spirit if it self can do nothing, unless it is in a power source, like a flesh body, or a body of some kind, if it is not in a body,we are told it goes abut in arid places looking for rest and the spirit earnestly desires us Spirit must be attached to some kind of power source to effect its will. Jesus has the seven spirit of God with the seven HORN (powers) also, and will rule this earth with them. Just as Revelations says.”Hmmm
“out of the mouth comes what the heart is full of”
Yes demons express them selves through speech and behaviours.
Yes such spirits wander through dry places looking for a human home.The seven spirits of God are angelic
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2014,06:21) Hi WU,
Galatians 3:26
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Nick.Unfortunately that faith has to be put to the test
by fire.Anyone can claim to have faith.wakeup.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 29 2014,01:37) Kerwin………Ok, I know you believe there is life after death, we have had a difference on this a long time now. I do understand how you and other can get from the Parable of the rich man and Lazarus the idea that the dead are still alive, if you take that parable in a literal sense. I believe Nick does also and many others do to. I just do not take it as a Literal condition of the dead. I believe the scriptures I Posted is the true condition of the dead, I also believe there is a resurrection of Bodies and spirit added back into it and after that, we are once again a “LIVING SOUL” and there is a future standing of Judgement reserved all of mankind. We are told it is appointed unto man once to die and after that the Judgement, you and Nick it appears believe you are judged in the grave where you still are alive, which to me mean you believe you really did not truly die, i do not believe we are still alive when we die. I believe Jesus was truly DEAD, and not alive at all for three days and nights, when he was in the grave, but was resurrected back to life by the power of God, three days after he died. I do not believe Jesus had any recall of anything in the grave for his spirit was removes from his body when he died and went back to God, and it remained that way until his resurrection took place and then his spirit was added back to his body. I also believe it is the same with us.
Kerwin, we just have a difference of opinions on this one, none of it will prevent us from going into the kingdom of God brother.
peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
Hi GB,
Those who have received the faithful Spirit of the living God throughout history have died and their own spirit has left them but that Holy Spirit abides in them and will raise them at the return of Jesus Christ.This happened with Jesus-we follow him .
Abraham is dead but yet alive in this way and rejoiced to see the coming of the Christ.
Jn8
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
48 Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?
49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.
50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.
51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
Gene B.
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Wakeup……….God did not make man to be destroyed, his intent was and is for man to live for ever.What about the old world;what happened to it?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ April 29 2014,09:18) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 29 2014,06:21) Hi WU,
Galatians 3:26
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Nick.Unfortunately that faith has to be put to the test
by fire.Anyone can claim to have faith.wakeup.
Hi WU,
Do you not have testing by fire in your life?Hi GB,
Jesus spoke with men of old on the mountain
They live in the Spirit of eternal life29.Luke 13:28
There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.Hi GB,
You say
“We are told it is appointed unto man once to die and after that the Judgement, you and Nick it appears believe you are judged in the grave where you still are alive”If we are in Christ we have already passed from judgement to life
Jn 5
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
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