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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 11 2014,11:40) Hi,
There is one small snag in all of this.If ez 37 speaks of a flesh resurrection into the millenium then those who have died once will die again
The only mention of a second death in scripture is in terms of the lake of fire.The alternative is that at some stage they are given heavenly bodies as flesh cannot inherit the kingdom and I do not see this written either.
Perhaps it speaks of a spiritual enlightenment of the living?
Nick……..I believe why it say that flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of God is because God's Kingdom is of the Mind or Spirit, and not from flesh, even though flesh bodies will be there because they contain Spirit, Remember where Jesus said the Kingdom of God come without observation, it is “WITHIN” you.God's Kingdom is Spiritual and not physical even if it is ruling in Physical beings for all the physical creation shall be delivered from their bondage of corruption. That does not mean they will be changed to a different form of created being, but delivered from what is corrupting it. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
Genesis 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, ***Unto thy seed*** have I given this land,*** from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the
river Euphrates***:Deuteronomy 11:24 ***Every place whereon the soles of your feet shall tread shall be yours***:
***from the wilderness and Lebanon, from the river, the
river Euphrates***,
even unto the uttermost sea shall your coast be.The kingdom will be great,it will be a physical kingdom.
The kingdom is in us, if we seek. The saints will be kings and priests in the kingdom. Jesus will be the king of kings.Revelation 21:16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. (2240km cube).
Revelation 21:17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 13 2014,10:26) Hi 94,
Not much happening that I can see.
the whore is busy though
Hi Nick:I assure that both are happening.
Love in Christ,
MartyHi GB,
1Cor 15
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Hi GB
1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2014,05:21) Hi GB
1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Nickso according to your understanding their will not be one single man on earth ,
because to see Christ as he his really we have to be in heaven right
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2014,10:21) Hi GB
1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Nick……..While we will have GLORIFIED “Bodies”, none the less its a Body, a Spirit is not a Body it is what is IN a body. Jesus said a Spirit does not have a body as He had. So if spirits are not bodies then what body are we resurrected with?Paul used the term defining the body that was buried as an “IT” , saying IT, the body is sown in weakness, and the same “IT” is raised in Power and glory. Nick A spirit is not buried nor is it weak.
Jesus told us that the Spirit is willing but the body is weak, and it is that weak body that is buried and “IT” (that weak body) is Raised in Power and Glory. IMO
Ezekiel also shows it is a physical resurrection that will take place.
The word spiritual does not mean a SPIRIT “BODY” because spirits have no Bodies, they are what is “IN” Bodies.
Even as it is now with us, we have bodies with Spirits in them. There are many scriptures that support this Nick. Jesus did not say he was raised with a flesh and “blood” body , he said a flesh and “bone” body, and in the resurrection at the valley of dead bone God said he would raise up Flesh and “Bone” Bodies he did not say flesh and blood bodies, he also did say that it was the “WHOLE HOUSE OF ISRAEL”.
If we are not to have a Physical resurrection then there would be no need for any Resurrection at all . Scripture also say this MORTAL must put on immortality, why put it on if it is completely done away with forever.
We all know the spirit goes back to God who gave it when we die leaving only a body that is burred and mortal, so there would be no need to resurrect it nor for a resurrection either. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
Hi GB
Matthew 22:30
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.Mark 12:25
For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.Nick………..Jesus also said There are Eunice''s born that way, and there are eunuchs made by man. and there are eunuchs made by God for the kingdom of God's sake. So it appears that perhaps Sex is no issue in the Kingdom of God. But if we become a Spirit “being” of some kind why even worry about sex and marriage in the kingdom of God, or even about a man being made a eunuch by God for the kingdom of God's sake? No spirit is said to have a gender at least i have never read it anywhere. So if we are to be turned to a Spirit that would not even be an issue. IMO
So that dialogue about eunuchs does “imply” ,flesh man will be in the Kingdom of God right?. Angel also have flesh bodies or they could not have had sex with the daughters of men, correct? Because scriptures say God makes his Angels Spirits , is not saying they are spirits but God make their Spirit in them and send them forth to minister, Even as he does men now, and in the future. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………………..gene
Hi GB,
The kingdom begins when Christ is born into physical men.
But the house we live in is condemned and we await a new house from above
2Cor 5Nick……I agree When the CHRISTO'S or anointing spirit come into us, the Kingdom begins and we do wait for a new house made without hands, made by God, but non the less a House or body of some kind, and no scripture say Spirits are Bodies of any kind. But God give “IT” (the Spirit), a “body” of 'its' own just as he pleases we are told. A Spirit without a body goes about in “ARID” Places seeking rest, it desires a body to live in, even God's Spirit does, for his spirit “EARNESTLY” DESIRES US> we are told.
The term “Spiritual” does not imply a spirit body, but the influencing of that body. Like a spiritual song has a religious connotation. Our new physical flesh bodies will be Spiritual activated and sustained.The will not die and can live for ever being maintained by Spirit. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
Hi GB,
Men were familiar with spirits in the time of Jesus and before
They thought Jesus was a ghost walking on the waterWhat about this
86.Job 4:15
“Then a spirit passed by my face; The hair of my flesh bristled up.Nick………I agree they “THOUGHT” Jesus was a Ghost, but the fact was he was a flesh and blood man walking on water , a man Just as Peter was when he walked on water to, a man when he went through the Door after the resurrection and they “THOUGHT” he was a SPIRIT also, but what did Jesus say, a spirit does not have flesh and bone as you see i have. Spirit can greatly enhance and empower our physical bodies in many ways, Samson, Elijah, king David, Spirits can give give there effects, as Jesus said a Spirit cannot be seen, but you can see the effects of it, as wind moving though a tree, you hear the sound produced by it but you can't see it.
As for Job , here is what he said also, Job 19:26 And through after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my “FLESH” shall I see God.
peace and lvoe to you and yours…………gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 17 2014,12:41) Hi GB,
Are you suggesting out current dilapidated bodies are to be renovated?
Nick……….The more appropriate word is REGENERATED bodies, as Jesus said, Mat 19:28…..> And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That you which have followed me, in the “REGENERATION” when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, you shall also sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.There will, it appears be many of flesh human being living in the kingdom of God. So while flesh and blood (ITSELF) can not inherit it, it certainly can live in it, at least it appears that way from scriptures.
The kingdom of God come not with observation, it is within you we were told by Jesus. So Spiritual thing can be in Physical bodies, even the Kingdom of God. It is the spirit what counts the flesh prophets nothing, it is what is “IN” the Flesh that counts, The flesh is simply a house we live in. And the flesh can live forever Just as God said about ADAM, would had have if he ate of the tree of life in the Garden, IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene
Nick,
Yes, it is a new creation and not the current one which is subject to frustration. It is a creation that has been freed from corruption but God did not create the old one as subject to frustration but instead he subjected it to frustration as result of Adam's sin. It is the renewal of creation though it will not be the same as humanity shall be mature at that time.
Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2014,01:40) Nick, Yes, it is a new creation and not the current one which is subject to frustration. It is a creation that has been freed from corruption but God did not create the old one as subject to frustration but instead he subjected it to frustration as result of Adam's sin. It is the renewal of creation though it will not be the same as humanity shall be mature at that time.
Kis the new creation under the frustration
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