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- December 26, 2012 at 12:08 pm#369632ProclaimerParticipantDecember 29, 2012 at 5:30 pm#369633terrariccaParticipant
hi t8
I watched this doc. and have felt that it is one more of those shows that do not go anywhere ,they just fail to prove anything ,but this is my opinion
January 2, 2013 at 1:02 pm#369634ProclaimerParticipantYeah that is usually the case.
What I think is interesting about this doc is the corruption or control that goes on in Paleontology. And the possible artwork of ancient animals by man in the Americas.
Also, do you think it is even slightly possible that God could have created other men before Adam?
January 2, 2013 at 6:06 pm#369635terrariccaParticipantQuote (t8 @ Jan. 02 2013,18:02) Yeah that is usually the case. What I think is interesting about this doc is the corruption or control that goes on in Paleontology. And the possible artwork of ancient animals by man in the Americas.
Also, do you think it is even slightly possible that God could have created other men before Adam?
t8I do not believe that God created an other human prior to Adam
I think that God plays with the wisdom of man knowledge ,many things that men says have been seen latter to be untrue ,like it takes millions of years to an article to get fossilized ,but this is not true this process under the right condition can occur in less than 100 years ,
but the will for rejecting the true God is so intense that any lie or corruption to the true info becomes a good target ,I believe their is more yet to be discovered and it will become then obvious to all but to late for many ,
watch the melting of the ice
January 2, 2013 at 9:27 pm#369636seekingtruthParticipantT8,
Scripture does not exclude the possibility of earlier life and it may answer some questions, but I believe Adam was the first being to include a soul.My opinion – Wm
January 2, 2013 at 9:34 pm#369637mikeboll64BlockedNot only does scripture not exclude the possibility of earlier humans, Wm, there are words in Genesis that virtually insist there MUST HAVE BEEN others before Adam.
Some of us have discussed these words in this thread.
January 2, 2013 at 9:53 pm#369638terrariccaParticipantif this scripture imply an other human as the first how
Ge 1:26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
Ge 1:29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.
Ge 1:30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.
Ge 1:31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.in the above scriptures did God forgot to include someone ?
Ge 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.
January 2, 2013 at 10:09 pm#369639terrariccaParticipantwas anything missing
Ge 2:19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.
who was missing if any
January 3, 2013 at 4:39 am#369641ProclaimerParticipantI think the idea is that there is a scripture that says that God told Adam to repopulate the Earth. He said the same thing to Noah I think.
A further thought or idea are the 24 Elders that are seated around the throne.
Scripture says that there are 2 men that represent all the Earth. So 24 elders could refer to 12 ages/worlds on Earth or planets.
Of course that is reading way too much into what the text says. But the possibility still remains I think.
Further speculation explains that the sons of God came down to Earth and saw that the women of men were fair and had offspring with them, had to be men, but were men from other civilizations or worlds of men that never fell. They came here and tampered with our world and those sons were reprimanded by God.
January 3, 2013 at 5:58 am#369640terrariccaParticipantQuote (t8 @ Jan. 03 2013,09:39) I think the idea is that there is a scripture that says that God told Adam to repopulate the Earth. He said the same thing to Noah I think. A further thought or idea are the 24 Elders that are seated around the throne.
Scripture says that there are 2 men that represent all the Earth. So 24 elders could refer to 12 ages/worlds on Earth or planets.
Of course that is reading way too much into what the text says. But the possibility still remains I think.
Further speculation explains that the sons of God came down to Earth and saw that the women of men were fair and had offspring with them, had to be men, but were men from other civilizations or worlds of men that never fell. They came here and tampered with our world and those sons were reprimanded by God.
this is far, far ,into imagination, this would do awaywith many scriptures ,and make God seem to be a story teller rather than God almighty ,like in the wizard of OZ,
is this what you have come to believe after your studies in scriptures
this is not strengthening of your faith ,it would be leaving the faith ,and what are the scriptures to back up those theories
January 3, 2013 at 6:03 am#369642terrariccaParticipantMike
Quote And how does that add up to Eve saying this in 4:25: “God has granted me another child in place of Abel, since Cain killed him.” tell me sins my English is so poor ; in that verse you quoted just assume that I had 20 children and one of them killed another then I would have one more “COULD I NOT SAY EXACLY THE SAME THING THAN IN THAT VERSE
January 3, 2013 at 7:02 am#369643seekingtruthParticipantMike/terraricca,
Scriptures do not record the birth of women, I believe that Adam and Eve gave birth to many females prior to the birth of Cain and Able (that is why she proclaimed “With the help of the Lord I have brought forth a man.”) thus you have wives for Cain/Seth. As to “virtually insist there MUST HAVE BEEN others before Adam.” I agree but not that they would be classified as “Man”.My opinion – Wm
January 3, 2013 at 7:18 am#369644terrariccaParticipantQuote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 03 2013,12:02) Mike/terraricca,
Scriptures do not record the birth of women, I believe that Adam and Eve gave birth to many females prior to the birth of Cain and Able (that is why she proclaimed “With the help of the Lord I have brought forth a man.”) thus you have wives for Cain/Seth. As to “virtually insist there MUST HAVE BEEN others before Adam.” I agree but not that they would be classified as “Man”.My opinion – Wm
show me scripturesJanuary 3, 2013 at 4:23 pm#369645seekingtruthParticipantShow me a scripture relating to Adam and Eve giving birth to a female yet we know they had to have.
Wm
January 3, 2013 at 5:32 pm#369646terrariccaParticipantQuote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 03 2013,21:23) Show me a scripture relating to Adam and Eve giving birth to a female yet we know they had to have. Wm
why you say that you believe that could have been sources that their was other man created,and as for the female offspring ,just understand that it is men glory that you read not someone else ,but all male are not reported either only the ones with true in heritage,
or for the need to know,
January 3, 2013 at 6:51 pm#369647mikeboll64BlockedQuote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 03 2013,00:02) I agree but not that they would be classified as “Man”.
Agreed. I believe the Hebrew word “adam” referred to a different species, or whatever, of homo sapiens.I believe there existed “cavemen”, or whatever, who were not created with the “image” of the heavenly hosts, like Adam and Eve were.
Sort of like there already were monkeys, but then God created a “new breed” of monkey, that had the ability to think on a higher level, or whatever. One that didn't rely strictly on animal instinct, but was given a higher intelligence than all those who came before.
Adam and Eve were of this “new breed”.
Does that make sense?January 3, 2013 at 7:01 pm#369648seekingtruthParticipantterraricca,
I believe that angels pre-existed man, and scripture does not exclude that angels may have had some role on our world (not that I believe it, but I do not want to add to scripture by claiming something scripture does not mention).As to my claim that females were born first, it seems to fit the facts we are given in scripture better, but can neither be proven or dis-proven from scriptures (to the best of my knowledge).
Wm
January 3, 2013 at 7:05 pm#369649seekingtruthParticipantMike,
It makes sense and could be possible, not sure I agree but wouldn't be the first time I was wrong.Wm
January 3, 2013 at 7:20 pm#369650mikeboll64BlockedThis understanding of mine seems to fit with the teachings in Genesis, and doesn't contradict any scripture – as far as I know.
I realize that Adam is called the “first man” in scripture, and that would still be true if the homo sapiens who came before were consider “pre-men”, instead of “men”.
January 3, 2013 at 9:57 pm#369651terrariccaParticipantQuote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 03 2013,23:51) Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 03 2013,00:02) I agree but not that they would be classified as “Man”.
Agreed. I believe the Hebrew word “adam” referred to a different species, or whatever, of homo sapiens.I believe there existed “cavemen”, or whatever, who were not created with the “image” of the heavenly hosts, like Adam and Eve were.
Sort of like there already were monkeys, but then God created a “new breed” of monkey, that had the ability to think on a higher level, or whatever. One that didn't rely strictly on animal instinct, but was given a higher intelligence than all those who came before.
Adam and Eve were of this “new breed”.
Does that make sense?
ok,so what you imply now is that it was not a man but ape like ,type extinct years agoright ,???
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