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The last Adam was born again into spirit.

show the scripture where it is written that Christ is “BORN AGAIN” it is not written in 1 Cor;15;45

January 14, 2014 at 9:03 pm#367248

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The last Adam was born again into spirit.

show the scripture where it is written that Christ is “BORN AGAIN” it is not written in 1 Cor;15;45

Scripture does not specifically explain in detail re born again ,that would make it too easy.We need to seek.
Just as Jesus never explains that he is the Word of GOD,but by reading the scriptures we can understand,
that He is the Word of God.

You can not expect all answers put on a plate.

wakeup.

January 14, 2014 at 10:39 pm#367262

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The last Adam was born again into spirit.

show the scripture where it is written that Christ is “BORN AGAIN” it is not written in 1 Cor;15;45

You can not expect all answers put on a plate.

wakeup.

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You can not expect all answers put on a plate.

RIGHT YOU ARE ;BUT IT AS TO BE THE SCRIPTURES THAT TELL YOU WHO AND WHAT IS ALL OF IT ,

NOT A MAN FULL OF SINS ,AND CORRUPT

BUT GOD TELLS YOU TO PUT HIS WORDS IN YOUR HEART AND HE WILL COME TO YOU SO IS HIS SON ;FAILING TO DO THAT YOU END UP HAVING NOTHING

January 15, 2014 at 12:02 am#367270

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The last Adam was born again into spirit.

show the scripture where it is written that Christ is “BORN AGAIN” it is not written in 1 Cor;15;45

You can not expect all answers put on a plate.

wakeup.

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You can not expect all answers put on a plate.

RIGHT YOU ARE ;BUT IT AS TO BE THE SCRIPTURES THAT TELL YOU WHO AND WHAT IS ALL OF IT ,

NOT A MAN FULL OF SINS ,AND CORRUPT

BUT GOD TELLS YOU TO PUT HIS WORDS IN YOUR HEART AND HE WILL COME TO YOU SO IS HIS SON ;FAILING TO DO THAT YOU END UP HAVING NOTHING

So explain born again to us.

wakeup.

January 15, 2014 at 1:32 am#367284

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The last Adam was born again into spirit.

show the scripture where it is written that Christ is “BORN AGAIN” it is not written in 1 Cor;15;45

You can not expect all answers put on a plate.

wakeup.

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You can not expect all answers put on a plate.

RIGHT YOU ARE ;BUT IT AS TO BE THE SCRIPTURES THAT TELL YOU WHO AND WHAT IS ALL OF IT ,

NOT A MAN FULL OF SINS ,AND CORRUPT

BUT GOD TELLS YOU TO PUT HIS WORDS IN YOUR HEART AND HE WILL COME TO YOU SO IS HIS SON ;FAILING TO DO THAT YOU END UP HAVING NOTHING

So explain born again to us.

wakeup.

BUT I HAVE EXPLAIN IT TO YOU ;BUT YOU DID NOT BELIEVE THE SCRIPTURES

January 15, 2014 at 4:24 am#367312

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The last Adam was born again into spirit.

show the scripture where it is written that Christ is “BORN AGAIN” it is not written in 1 Cor;15;45

You can not expect all answers put on a plate.

wakeup.

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You can not expect all answers put on a plate.

RIGHT YOU ARE ;BUT IT AS TO BE THE SCRIPTURES THAT TELL YOU WHO AND WHAT IS ALL OF IT ,

NOT A MAN FULL OF SINS ,AND CORRUPT

BUT GOD TELLS YOU TO PUT HIS WORDS IN YOUR HEART AND HE WILL COME TO YOU SO IS HIS SON ;FAILING TO DO THAT YOU END UP HAVING NOTHING

So explain born again to us.

wakeup.

BUT I HAVE EXPLAIN IT TO YOU ;BUT YOU DID NOT BELIEVE THE SCRIPTURES

T.
Aways the same answer.
Well;explain it again like I have done many times with Mike,
regarding the Word.

wakeup.

January 15, 2014 at 4:53 am#367320

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terraricca,Jan. wrote:

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So before the heavens and the earth were created?,
and before man was created?
Is that what you are saying?
He was “BORN” when he was “created” before all things.

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j42

yes, that is what scriptures tell me ;also proverb 8;22-31

Pierre, this is why every bit of evidence you give against me must be double checked all the time.

Proverbs 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
IT DOESN'T SAY THAT THE LORD MADE ME, OR CREATED ME, IN THE BEGINNING, JUST THAT IT WAS THERE IN GODS POSSESSION. IT'S TALKING ABOUT WISDOM ANYWAY. NOT THE WORD, OR JESUS CHRIST, BUT WISDOM. READ THE WHOLE CHAPTER BEFORE I GO FURTHER.

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“The LORD possessed me at the beginning of his work, the first of his acts of old.

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so that is my answer and understand that ;BORN/BRING FORTH/CREATED/CONCEIVED, ARE ALE THE SAME THING

Wrong answer due to misunderstanding what the chapter is talking about.

January 15, 2014 at 5:03 am#367322

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PROVERBS CHAPTER 8
THIS IS SPEAKING OF WISDOM

1 Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?

2 She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths.

3 She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors.

4 Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man.

5 O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.

6 Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; and the opening of my lips shall be right things.

7 For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips.

8 All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.

9 They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.

10 Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.

11 For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.

12 I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.

13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

14 Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.

15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.

16 By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.

17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.

18 Riches and honour are with me; yea, durable riches and righteousness.

19 My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver.

20 I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment:

21 That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.

22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

32 Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.

33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.

34 Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.

35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.

36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

January 15, 2014 at 5:20 am#367323

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j42

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So before the heavens and the earth were created?,
and before man was created?
Is that what you are saying?
He was “BORN” when he was “created” before all things.

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j42

yes, that is what scriptures tell me ;also proverb 8;22-31

Pierre, this is why every bit of evidence you give against me must be double checked all the time.

English Standard Version
“The LORD possessed me at the beginning of his work, the first of his acts of old.

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so that is my answer and understand that ;BORN/BRING FORTH/CREATED/CONCEIVED, ARE ALE THE SAME THING

Wrong answer due to misunderstanding what the chapter is talking about.

j42

Pr 8:22 “The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old;
Pr 8:23 I was appointed from eternity,
from the beginning, before the world began.

The LORD created me at the beginning of his work,
the first of his acts of long ago.
Pr 8:23 Ages ago I was set up,
at the first, before the beginning of the earth. nrkjv

Proverbs 8:22 Click this icon to open a printer friendly page
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The Lord created 1 me as the beginning 2 of his works, 3 before his deeds of long ago.
NIV ©
“The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old;
NASB ©
“The LORD possessed me at the beginning of His way, Before His works of old.
NLT ©
“The LORD formed me from the beginning, before he created anything else.
MSG ©
“GOD sovereignly made me–the first, the basic–before he did anything else.
BBE ©
The Lord made me as the start of his way, the first of his works in the past.
NRSV ©
The LORD created me at the beginning of his work, the first of his acts of long ago.
NKJV ©
“The LORD possessed me at the beginning of His way, Before His works of old.

NET ©
The Lord created 1 me as the beginning 2 of his works, 3 before his deeds of long ago.
NET © Notes
1 tn There are two roots קָנָה (qanah) in Hebrew, one meaning “to possess,” and the other meaning “to create.” The earlier English versions did not know of the second root, but suspected in certain places that a meaning like that was necessary (e.g., Gen 4:1; 14:19; Deut 32:6). Ugaritic confirmed that it was indeed another root. The older versions have the translation “possess” because otherwise it sounds like God lacked wisdom and therefore created it at the beginning. They wanted to avoid saying that wisdom was not eternal. Arius liked the idea of Christ as the wisdom of God and so chose the translation “create.” Athanasius translated it, “constituted me as the head of creation.” The verb occurs twelve times in Proverbs with the meaning of “to acquire”; but the Greek and the Syriac versions have the meaning “create.” Although the idea is that wisdom existed before creation, the parallel ideas in these verses (“appointed,” “given birth”) argue for the translation of “create” or “establish” (R. N. Whybray, “Proverbs 8:22-31 and Its Supposed Prototypes,” VT 15 [1965]: 504-14; and W. A. Irwin, “Where Will Wisdom Be Found?” JBL 80 [1961]: 133-42).
2 tn Verbs of creation often involve double accusatives; here the double accusative involves the person (i.e., wisdom) and an abstract noun in construct (IBHS 174-75 §10.2.3c).
3 tn Heb “his way” (so KJV, NASB). The word “way” is an idiom (implied comparison) for the actions of God.

sn The claim of wisdom in this passage is that she was foundational to all that God would do.

PR 8:25 “ Before the mountains were settled,
Before the hills I was brought forth;

When He marked out the foundations of the earth;
PR 8:30 Then I was beside Him, as a master workman;
And I was daily His delight,
Rejoicing always before Him,

PR 8:31 Rejoicing in the world, His earth,
And having my delight in the sons of men.

would this be from Adam till now or from his coming in the flesh

January 15, 2014 at 5:24 am#367325

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The last Adam was born again into spirit.

show the scripture where it is written that Christ is “BORN AGAIN” it is not written in 1 Cor;15;45

You can not expect all answers put on a plate.

wakeup.

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You can not expect all answers put on a plate.

RIGHT YOU ARE ;BUT IT AS TO BE THE SCRIPTURES THAT TELL YOU WHO AND WHAT IS ALL OF IT ,

NOT A MAN FULL OF SINS ,AND CORRUPT

BUT GOD TELLS YOU TO PUT HIS WORDS IN YOUR HEART AND HE WILL COME TO YOU SO IS HIS SON ;FAILING TO DO THAT YOU END UP HAVING NOTHING

So explain born again to us.

wakeup.

BUT I HAVE EXPLAIN IT TO YOU ;BUT YOU DID NOT BELIEVE THE SCRIPTURES

T.
Aways the same answer.
Well;explain it again like I have done many times with Mike,
regarding the Word.

wakeup.

go to the new topic i did about the great tribulation and i say it there what it is read my few first comments

January 15, 2014 at 5:35 am#367330

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terraricca,Jan. wrote:

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PR 8:25 “ Before the mountains were settled,
Before the hills I was brought forth;

When He marked out the foundations of the earth;
PR 8:30 Then I was beside Him, as a master workman;
And I was daily His delight,
Rejoicing always before Him,

PR 8:31 Rejoicing in the world, His earth,
And having my delight in the sons of men.

would this be from Adam till now or from his coming in the flesh

Pierre,
It is neither. The answer is in the scriptures.

22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, …….before his works of old.

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

25 Before the mountains were settled,before the hills was I brought forth:

26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world

From before everything. Wisdom was always with God. There was never a time wisdom wasn't with him. That's how great he is Pierre.

January 15, 2014 at 5:45 am#367333

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PR 8:25 “ Before the mountains were settled,
Before the hills I was brought forth;

When He marked out the foundations of the earth;
PR 8:30 Then I was beside Him, as a master workman;
And I was daily His delight,
Rejoicing always before Him,

PR 8:31 Rejoicing in the world, His earth,
And having my delight in the sons of men.

would this be from Adam till now or from his coming in the flesh

Pierre,
It is neither. The answer is in the scriptures.

22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, …….before his works of old.

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

25 Before the mountains were settled,before the hills was I brought forth:

26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world

From before everything. Wisdom was always with God. There was never a time wisdom wasn't with him. That's how great he is Pierre.

j42

then have sweet dreams ,

January 15, 2014 at 6:37 am#367336

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From before everything. Wisdom was always with God. There was never a time wisdom wasn't with him. That's how great he is Pierre.

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then have sweet dreams ,

My dream is to be a faithful witness,
to be accepted into the kingdom at the resurrection,
to meet my Lord in the air,
to take a deep breath of relief,
and to have all my sins forgiven,

My dream is to witness the amazing events to come,
to play a part in the millennium,
to be spirit,
surrounded by my Lord and faithful brothers and sisters,
and to be loved back by them,

My dream is to see mercy given the Jews who will be brought back in the flesh,
to help wipe their tears,
to help comfort their broken hearts,
to witness their joy,
to see their eyes opened.

My dream is to see the truth come out of Jerusalem,
for the saving of the gentiles,
to see the world marvel,
to witness their healing,

My dream is to be free from sin, completely,
to be a loyal and true servant,
to be perfected,
to serve my God undefiled,

My dream is that I never miss out on any of the above,
my dream is for truth openly declared,
my dream is to love
and I dream for mercy on my pitiful soul,
when all is said and done

My dream, is to never loose sight of this dream

January 15, 2014 at 6:42 am#367337

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PR 8:25 “ Before the mountains were settled,
Before the hills I was brought forth;

When He marked out the foundations of the earth;
PR 8:30 Then I was beside Him, as a master workman;
And I was daily His delight,
Rejoicing always before Him,

PR 8:31 Rejoicing in the world, His earth,
And having my delight in the sons of men.

would this be from Adam till now or from his coming in the flesh

Pierre,
It is neither. The answer is in the scriptures.

22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, …….before his works of old.

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

25 Before the mountains were settled,before the hills was I brought forth:

26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world

From before everything. Wisdom was always with God. There was never a time wisdom wasn't with him. That's how great he is Pierre.

j42

then have sweet dreams ,

Very inteligent Terra.
Anything will do.

Dont cast your pearls to the swine.

wakeup.

January 15, 2014 at 5:12 pm#367358