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Gene said:
Quote thinker…………your theory and others falls apart seeing the LORD GOD said He created all things by His SELF Alone. But now Gene says:
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Thinker……I never said that GOD created everything by Himself, I said the (LORD) created everything alone and by HIMSELF, And i am not the one saying that I quoted it from the book of Isaiah, Those were not my words but scriptures brother. The LORD created everything using His Elohim (POWERS)Gene,
In your first statement above you said that the “LORD GOD” created all things. But in your second statement you deny saying that “GOD” created all things. What's the difference between the “LORD GOD” and “GOD”?
You say that the LORD created everything using His Elohim powers. What are these Elohim “powers”?thinker
Gene said to Thinker:
Quote I never said that GOD created everything by Himself, I said the (LORD) created everything alone and by HIMSELF, And i am not the one saying that I quoted it from the book of Isaiah, Those were not my words but scriptures brother. The LORD created everything using His Elohim (POWERS). Nick asked Gene:
Quote So God used God?
Nick,
Gene's interpretations have become so confusing that even non-trinitarians such can't decipher them.thinker
Thinker ……you ask what are these Elohim Powers, they are the seven Spirit Powers, which the LORD uses to bring about His creative works the represent the POWER AND INTELLECT OF THE LORD. Why have you evaded the Scriptures i have posted in Isaiah Showing the the LORD GOD (ALONE and by HIMSELF) through HIS POWERS created the worlds and Spread out the earth> is it because it goes against the TRINITY teachings. YOU say you can not understand that (that LORD alone created everything) through his ELOHIM, but then you TRINITARIANS say GOD is three persons in ONE, SO why would it be hard for you to see this then, that (ONE) LORD through HIS ELOHIM (POWERS) created everything that is. ONE LORD OPERATING ALL THINGS THROUGH HIS ELOHIM.
Even the work Jesus was doing was by these ELOHIM, Why do you think it says Jesus was (FULL) OF the Spirit of (GOD) or Elohim or Powers of the LORD. A person can have some of the Elohim or you can have all of it , Jesus has the full measure of the Elohim. He recieved it from the FATHER or LORD, Just as all who have Elohim in them do. We are to ask for it brother, That is how the LORD'S (ELOHIM) may be all in ALL, all given by (ONE LORD) which we and Jesus call the FATHER. “HEAR 'O' ISRAEL THE (LORD) OUR POWER (ELOHIM) IS (ONE LORD). Thinker cast of the false teaching of the TRINITY, and the preexistence of Jesus and the light will come on brother. IMO
LOVE AND PEACE TO YOU AND YOURS………………………………………………gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2009,16:49) G,
So God used God?
Nick………NO , the LORD used HIS ELOHIM (POWERS) to create everything by HIMSELF as Isaiah says.peace and love to you and yours brother……………………….gene
Hi,
God is one and ever one with His own living Spirit.
His son has become one with Him in that Spirit.
We too in Jesus can be one with God in His SpiritGene wrote:
Quote …the LORD used HIS ELOHIM (POWERS) to create everything by HIMSELF as Isaiah says.
Can you please be more specific about where in Isaiah you are speaking of? I have not found it on my own. Thank you!
Kerwin……..Many scriptures say the LORD our GOD, exactly what does that mean? to me that means the LORD (He EXIST as our POWERS). Power is what the LORD used to create everything there is in existences. John 1:1 , in the beginning was the WORD (expressed intellect) and the WORD (expressed Intellect) was with GOD, (power) and the Word (expressed intellect) was God (power). IMO
love and peace to you and yours……………………………..gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2009,07:18) G,
By seven of your imagined intellects or one?
Nick……….Think of a revolver that has seven bullets but all make up one gun, of Power or GOD, and the LORD as the one who aims and Pulls the trigger at what ever He wants to. This might help give you and idea of how the seven spirits of Power under the control of (ONE) LORD Works. These are the Seven Spirits of GOD which go out into all the earth and are before the throne in Revelations. IMOlove and peace to you and yours…………………gene
Nick……..then please tell us what the term used in scripture as the LORD OUR GOD means then, enlighten us brother. Seeming you think you know so much.
love and peace top you and yours………………………………………gene
G,
The bible is useless to you once you set off on one of your imagination forays.
You will need to write your own as you are in fantasy land.Nick………again evading the subject matter , your good at that, i will give you that.
peace and love………………………………..gene
Gene wrote:
Quote Many scriptures say the LORD our GOD, exactly what does that mean?
It depends on which words are translated to the Lord our God and the context they are in. Some scriptures that are translated Lord God would be better translated as Lord of God’s family or even God of God’s family but Lord God gives the appropriate idea. Sometimes in scripture an angel is called Lord God which is just the way the people of the time regarded an individual that was serving as proxy for God just like saying that someone is the President’s ear today.
Gene wrote:
Quote to me that means the LORD (He EXIST as our POWERS
I certainly cannot disagree that God is almighty but you are putting too much into the word “Elohim”. I suppose you could also say “Elohim” roughly translates to divinity and God is Lord of divinity as well as being divinity himself. Angels who obey all of God’s commands are also considered divinity as are humans that do all God commands or at least are credited with doing so. I would not call fallen angels divine except perhaps in the way false gods are called divine.
Gene wrote:
Quote Power is what the LORD used to create everything there is in existences
Once again you make a true statement but it does not back up your definition of ”Elohim”. I agree that God’s word is a word of power and can accomplish all things but that does not mean Elohim is making that point at least directly. Indirectly you can argue that divinity by definition has power which is why they are called “the powers”.
Gene wrote:
Quote John 1:1 , in the beginning was the WORD (expressed intellect) and the WORD (expressed Intellect) was with GOD, (power) and the Word (expressed intellect) was God (power).
John 1:1 is figurative and thus hard to understand but you may actually have the correct interpretation. I am not sure because your own language seems to be figurative and I do not know your thoughts on the matter. I have said elsewhere that the word in John is referring to the divine word of God’s wisdom as proposed by the Jewish philosopher Philo prior to John’s writings. I also believe it is speaking of the Spirit of God which made Jesus the Son of God when it inhabited him at conception and possibly made that conception occur.
Kerwin……. i think some times we over complicate things and that is the cause of so much confusion. Trinitarians and preexistences take the word (Word) and make it to say Jesus, not even realizing the if John wanted it to mean Jesus he would have said Jesus. Many Just over complicate simple meanings in scriptures. Like (SPIRIT) (GOD) (LORD) (ANGLES) (DEMONS) and on and on it goes, But they never come to a clear understanding a simple and clear knowledge concerning these things, it like being stuck in the mud of religion. It has well be said < He who understands something in its simplest terms understands it best. I tend to agree with that statement. IMO
love and peace to you and yours…………………………………gene
Nick……if what we say adds a more correct understanding to scripture then why do you associate it with the Gnostic's, and by the way they did not add anything to scriptures they did not have the new testaments in print to add anything to it. In fact some of the things the Gnostic's said you also teach (Preexistence of Jesus as a creator). So if i were you I would check out my own beliefs first. Labeling people is foolishness IMO. If i am wrong in what i say then produce the proof and stick with subject matter and stop you personal assaults.
love and Peace to you and yours………………………………………..gene
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