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Kerwin…….YES, I TOTALLY AGREE WITHTHAT, decipline is nessary, and it also says every son he excepts he scourages, so i do understand these things and have myself experienced his decipline and scouraging, but my point is that it is GOD WHO GIVES US REPENTANCE.
Here is an ibteresting point, when the day of pentacost came ,there was a great rushing wind the cme over the city and rested over where the apostles were, and the people gather around it and Peter begato speak to thim, and the spiit caused allto hear him in there own language, and PETER told them that JESUS WAS THE ONE WHO ALL THE PROPHETS WERE TALKING ABOUT, and that they had put him to death. Now my pointis this,that these same people had fifty days eariler cried out crucify him, but now, (after the holy spirit came to them) they said, men and bretheren what shall we do seening we have put to death the Son of GOD, AGAIN MY POINT IS, that, why did they change their minds, was it not the work of GOD GIVING them repentance?
Now after that Peter answered them and said repent (of their unbelief), which they already had, that was obvious, and he told to be baptized in the name of Jesus for the “REMISSION” OF SINS. NOW it shows that the remission of sins, is one thing and repentenance is another. But both are a work of GOD. For without THE SPIRIT OF GOD, neither can take place, REPENTANCE here had to do with their unbelief, while remission of sins is a different wording, it implies sins are still present but not active, much like when we say, the cancer went into remission, it was still, their but not still active. Do you get my point brother?. Our sins go into remission but still are their and can reactivate again, and do at times, but if they do we have an advocate with GOD, Jesus Christ the rightious, he is our propituation for our sins. Even if we sin the spirit of GOD will always convict us of sin and drive us to confess them to him and seek forgiveness. IMO
peace and lovetoyou and yours……………gene
Gene,
Peter spoke as though he belonged to those that crucified Jesus and yet he was not one that cried that Jesus be crucified.
Peter was a Jew speaking to other Jews about the sin of the nation.
Never the less, even though it answered your point it is irrelevant to the idea that the Jews hearing and believing Peter’s words felt godly sorrow and asked what they could do to make amends. Peter told them. There is no difference between those that cried for Jesus to be crucified and those that did not as all had sinned.
Kerwin……TRUE, but those who felt godly sorrow were the one who said, what shall we do seening were have put christ to death, not all were repentent that day. Not all had godly sorrow, so not all were repentent, Do you get my point?
peace and love to you and yours. …………….gene
Gene,
Not all people hunger and thirst for righteousness though God created us all. Those that don’t seek to be fed will not be. Some rejected the food offered that day and some later left the table before they obtained the righteousness of God. God is our creator.
So you think that John was just saying that all we have to do is confess our sins without repentance, and we will be forgiven?
This is what I do in addition to confessing my sins with a repentant heart:
Mark 11:
24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
Love in Christ,
Marty942767,
I am not sure who you are talking to but I assume confession and repentance are linked.
John appears to be using it in then sense of “to feel such sorrow for sin or fault as to be disposed to change one’s life for the better” which is a definition of repent. The Koine Greek word behind is means “to voice the same conclusion” according to Strong’s 3670 as written on biblehub.com.
Mark 11:24-26 is a nice passage that appears to address the question I ask as the topic of this thread but I am not seeing the connection to your other words in the post you quote it in.
I did bring up a similar point to that mentioned by Mark in that passage in my thread about the study of rebuking during my conversation with Miia. I do not see where you agree with God about sin if you do not forgive others that agree they have done wrong and seek to do better.
Well, your question was “do we as Christians need to ask God to forgive us when we sin, and I believe that the scripture from Mark that I quoted makes it clear that we do have to ask for forgiveness. We must first acknowledge that we have sinned as the scriptures from 1 John state, but as you state, that must be with a repentant heart, otherwise just to confess that I did something wrong has no meaning, if there is no sorrow or change in direction. The scripture states that whatever we ask believing we shall receive. If I offend you, and you make me aware to this, then as a Christian and a brother in Christ, I am supposed to ask you forgiveness. It would be the same if I break God’s Law. I would ask Him to forgive me.
Love in Christ,
Marty942767,
It is a stronger argument considering the words if the Lord’s prayer but it does literally state to ask forgiveness from God.
I see no reason not to ask but from what I have learned so far there are more important things and even when a person asks God forgiveness it needs to be accompanied by godly sorrow.
To all…..NO ONE who has the spirit of truth, recieved from God the Father in them, can sin and not be convicted in their heart of it, because the SPIRIT of God will alway convict you of your sin, in your mind and heart. We truly reconize our errors and it sorrows us unto repentence. That is the work of GOD “IN” US.
SO YES when we sin we SHOULD admit it before our heavenly FATHER, and he is “faithfull (to his word) to forgive us , and to cleanse us from “ALL” SIN. We should take it before the thrown of “GRACE, ithat we might find “GRACE” in time of need. We are being “created” by GOD THE FATHER, unto “good” works, by the renewing of our minds. It is “all” a work of God, and he alone gets the glory,fromtbe start to the finish. IMO
peace and love to you all and yours. ……………..gene
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