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hi CO and gene
you should read more carefully; Posted: Jan. 24 2010,16:05
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Quote (Constitutionalist @ Jan. 22 2010,11:21)
Quote (Everlasting father Jesus @ Jan. 21 2010,16:18)
Hell is eternal one way or the other, it sounds like a terrible placeIt is not a place, it is destruction, and that destruction is eternal. And it is terrible, for the wicked, but only until they are destroyed. 'Elohim is merciful!
1Cor.15:22-28…
22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified.
23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence;
24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power.i can only read two classes,first Christ then those who are Christ's in his presence….
after the consummation ;….were is( all)all means those in Christ. NO?
?terraricca……..So in your opinion Christ just died for those who are in Him now. But John seem to disagree with you Because He said Christ not only died for our sins , but the sins of the (WHOLE) World. GOD is reconciling the (WHOLE) world unto Him through Christ Jesus not just a pick part of it. As you and all (self WILLED) people like to think. GOD is not willing that (ANY) Parish, but you seem to be will that others parish, but not you of course, because (YOUR) Own SELF WILL CHOICES is FREELY SAVING YOURSELF> I am so glad people like you are not GOD. Then only yourselves would be saved and to hell with the rest right. But GOD the FATHER thankfully does not see it YOUR Way. YOU “PROFESS GOD BUT DENY THE POWER THEREOF”. Jesus sacrifice paid the total sin debt of the whole creation for ever, and each shall be saved in his own order, first the first fruits at Christ return then after that the rest. GOD'S Will will be DONE and HIS WILL is that (NON) Parish and (ALL) come to repentance. No matter what your (INFLUENCED) WILL is. IMO
gene
i have shown you the scriptures this is not my interpretation,
and i have ask a question you do not answering it,why????terraricca.
1.Cor.15:28 …Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)All means “all”, since when has it had another meaning?
Blessings.
Chosenone,
“All” in this context means 'all within'.
God the Father hands 'all powers and authority within him' to the Son, but this 'all' does not include the Father, himself and therefore the Father is not in subjection to the Son but all 'other' things are subject to the Son.When the Son hands back the power and authority to the Father, the Son becomes subject to the Father again and the Father is All in All. Here a simple diagram would illustrate, there is nothing hard for any of us to understand.
The problem is that when we want to see things our own way even simple common sense goes out the window. Basically, 'the fear of realising that one might be, neh, IS, wrong, goads the one into stretching and reaching for obscure renderings and taking comfort in distorted thinking, more often put forward by another'
To all…..2Co 5:19…>To wit, that God was (IN) Christ, reconciling the (WORLD) unto himself, not imputing (THEIR) Sins unto them, and has committed unto US the word of reconciliation.
Now the word (WORLD) has a COMPLETE Meaning (the whole earth). It also says not imputing (THEIR) (the whole worlds) Sins unto them. The (THEIR) is in relationship to the whole world, which leaves none out. Chosenone is right in His view on this. IMO
peace and love to you all………….gene
gene
this is what Paul talks about but you twisted mind always out of context
2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.
THIS IS Paul EXPLAINNING TO THE FAITHFULL ONES OF THE TRUTH2Co 5:11 Since, then, we know what it is to fear the Lord, we try to persuade men. What we are is plain to God, and I hope it is also plain to your conscience
IT SEEMS YOU ARE NOT A NEW CREATION ACCORDING TO PAUL.
2Co 5:16 So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer.
2Co 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!YOU SEE GENE GOD APPEAL TO MEN TROUGH THE CALL OF THE GOSPEL TALK BY THE APOSTELS AND RECIEVED FROM CHRIST ,THEY HAVE BECOM AMBASSADORS OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD,2COR 5;18
2Co 5:18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation:
2Co 5:19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
2Co 5:20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.READ THIS LAST SENTENCE IS THIS DETERMINISM?
???????Quote (JustAskin @ Jan. 25 2010,11:58) Chosenone, “All” in this context means 'all within'.
God the Father hands 'all powers and authority within him' to the Son, but this 'all' does not include the Father, himself and therefore the Father is not in subjection to the Son but all 'other' things are subject to the Son.When the Son hands back the power and authority to the Father, the Son becomes subject to the Father again and the Father is All in All. Here a simple diagram would illustrate, there is nothing hard for any of us to understand.
The problem is that when we want to see things our own way even simple common sense goes out the window. Basically, 'the fear of realising that one might be, neh, IS, wrong, goads the one into stretching and reaching for obscure renderings and taking comfort in distorted thinking, more often put forward by another'
JustAskin.
If it meant 'all within', it would be written 'all within'. In the context within it is written, it means “All”. Simple.Blessings.
JA………John said God no only has forgiven us our sins but he has forgiven the whole world theirs to, through the blood of Christ. “For the whole creation shall be delievered from the bondage of corruption.
Peace and love to you and your…………………gene
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 25 2010,03:57) hi CO and gene you should read more carefully; Posted: Jan. 24 2010,16:05
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Quote (Constitutionalist @ Jan. 22 2010,11:21)
Quote (Everlasting father Jesus @ Jan. 21 2010,16:18)
Hell is eternal one way or the other, it sounds like a terrible placeIt is not a place, it is destruction, and that destruction is eternal. And it is terrible, for the wicked, but only until they are destroyed. 'Elohim is merciful!
1Cor.15:22-28…
22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified.
23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence;
24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power.i can only read two classes,first Christ then those who are Christ's in his presence….
after the consummation ;….were is( all)all means those in Christ. NO??
Hi terraricca.
You didn't go far enough, you left out verse 24 “thereafter”, meaning the rest, when God will be “All in all”.22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified.
23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence;
24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power.
25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy is being abolished: death.
27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him.
28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)Blessings.
To All.
I realise that very few believe in the salvation of all mankind. This seems to come from the opinion that we have to “do” certain things to save ourselves, that we have to “accept” Jesus as our saviour, or “allow” the holy spirit to work in us, or “ask” for Gods Grace, or we must “repent”, as well as other things.
Yet scripture says “All is of God”, who has conciliated the world (not just some) to Himself though Christ Jesus. (1Tim.4:9-11). Notice “conciliated” the world, not “reconciliated”, you must understand the difference. A brief explanation, …conciliation: a one-way, A to B but not B to A. (God to mankind but not mankind to God). …Reconciliation: a two-way, A to B and B to A. (God to mankind, and Mankind to God). We are presently “conciliated to God”, in the future we will be “reconciliated” to God. This is not of ourselves, but of God, who is the “Saviour of all mankind”, (1Tim.4:9-10)
Hope this makes sense to someone.Blessings, Jerry.
Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 26 2010,07:21) To All.
I realise that very few believe in the salvation of all mankind. This seems to come from the opinion that we have to “do” certain things to save ourselves, that we have to “accept” Jesus as our saviour, or “allow” the holy spirit to work in us, or “ask” for Gods Grace, or we must “repent”, as well as other things.
Yet scripture says “All is of God”, who has conciliated the world (not just some) to Himself though Christ Jesus. (1Tim.4:9-11). Notice “conciliated” the world, not “reconciliated”, you must understand the difference. A brief explanation, …conciliation: a one-way, A to B but not B to A. (God to mankind but not mankind to God). …Reconciliation: a two-way, A to B and B to A. (God to mankind, and Mankind to God). We are presently “conciliated to God”, in the future we will be “reconciliated” to God. This is not of ourselves, but of God, who is the “Saviour of all mankind”, (1Tim.4:9-10)
Hope this makes sense to someone.Blessings, Jerry.
Chosenone……….Good Post brother, I also see it that way. It is GOD the FATHER who consolidates us unto himself, mans so-called “FREE WILL” salvation from himself is another false teaching that many have believed. But Jesus plainly said (NO) Man (CAN) come unto me unless the FATHER DRAW HIM. WE are saved by the foreknowledge of GOD . “for whom he foreknow he also predestined to be made into the image of his son”> The problem with most is they limit GOD ability to really save a person by saying it is their so-called “free will” choices that is causing their salvation, nothing could be further from the truth. IMOpeace and love to you and yours……………….gene
Hades, Sheol, hell; may all come from different languages, but it all means the same, the “grave”.
When you die, some one will put you in your “hell”, grave.
How do you destroy death and the grave? death is a condition and hell/grave is a place you are laid while you're in that condition. You destroy him that has the power over death, Heb. 2:14. You destroy death/Satan, you destroy the grave, 1 Cor. 15:26. No more death, no more grave/hell/hades/sheol.
Where do you ever read in the Bible that fire preserves? fire destroys, the lake of fire symbolizes total and everlasting destruction, not torture.Georg
Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 26 2010,07:21) To All.
I realise that very few believe in the salvation of all mankind. This seems to come from the opinion that we have to “do” certain things to save ourselves, that we have to “accept” Jesus as our saviour, or “allow” the holy spirit to work in us, or “ask” for Gods Grace, or we must “repent”, as well as other things.
Yet scripture says “All is of God”, who has conciliated the world (not just some) to Himself though Christ Jesus. (1Tim.4:9-11). Notice “conciliated” the world, not “reconciliated”, you must understand the difference. A brief explanation, …conciliation: a one-way, A to B but not B to A. (God to mankind but not mankind to God). …Reconciliation: a two-way, A to B and B to A. (God to mankind, and Mankind to God). We are presently “conciliated to God”, in the future we will be “reconciliated” to God. This is not of ourselves, but of God, who is the “Saviour of all mankind”, (1Tim.4:9-10)
Hope this makes sense to someone.Blessings, Jerry.
This makes absolutely no sense, it's a bunch of NONESENSE.Georg
Quote (Elizabeth @ Jan. 27 2010,08:32) Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 26 2010,07:21) To All.
I realise that very few believe in the salvation of all mankind. This seems to come from the opinion that we have to “do” certain things to save ourselves, that we have to “accept” Jesus as our saviour, or “allow” the holy spirit to work in us, or “ask” for Gods Grace, or we must “repent”, as well as other things.
Yet scripture says “All is of God”, who has conciliated the world (not just some) to Himself though Christ Jesus. (1Tim.4:9-11). Notice “conciliated” the world, not “reconciliated”, you must understand the difference. A brief explanation, …conciliation: a one-way, A to B but not B to A. (God to mankind but not mankind to God). …Reconciliation: a two-way, A to B and B to A. (God to mankind, and Mankind to God). We are presently “conciliated to God”, in the future we will be “reconciliated” to God. This is not of ourselves, but of God, who is the “Saviour of all mankind”, (1Tim.4:9-10)
Hope this makes sense to someone.Blessings, Jerry.
This makes absolutely no sense, it's a bunch of NONESENSE.Georg
Only to those that don't understand.Blessings.
Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 27 2010,11:44) Quote (Elizabeth @ Jan. 27 2010,08:32) Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 26 2010,07:21) To All.
I realise that very few believe in the salvation of all mankind. This seems to come from the opinion that we have to “do” certain things to save ourselves, that we have to “accept” Jesus as our saviour, or “allow” the holy spirit to work in us, or “ask” for Gods Grace, or we must “repent”, as well as other things.
Yet scripture says “All is of God”, who has conciliated the world (not just some) to Himself though Christ Jesus. (1Tim.4:9-11). Notice “conciliated” the world, not “reconciliated”, you must understand the difference. A brief explanation, …conciliation: a one-way, A to B but not B to A. (God to mankind but not mankind to God). …Reconciliation: a two-way, A to B and B to A. (God to mankind, and Mankind to God). We are presently “conciliated to God”, in the future we will be “reconciliated” to God. This is not of ourselves, but of God, who is the “Saviour of all mankind”, (1Tim.4:9-10)
Hope this makes sense to someone.Blessings, Jerry.
This makes absolutely no sense, it's a bunch of NONESENSE.Georg
Only to those that don't understand.Blessings.
That's what I meant!Quote (Elizabeth @ Jan. 27 2010,23:03) Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 27 2010,11:44) Quote (Elizabeth @ Jan. 27 2010,08:32) Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 26 2010,07:21) To All.
I realise that very few believe in the salvation of all mankind. This seems to come from the opinion that we have to “do” certain things to save ourselves, that we have to “accept” Jesus as our saviour, or “allow” the holy spirit to work in us, or “ask” for Gods Grace, or we must “repent”, as well as other things.
Yet scripture says “All is of God”, who has conciliated the world (not just some) to Himself though Christ Jesus. (1Tim.4:9-11). Notice “conciliated” the world, not “reconciliated”, you must understand the difference. A brief explanation, …conciliation: a one-way, A to B but not B to A. (God to mankind but not mankind to God). …Reconciliation: a two-way, A to B and B to A. (God to mankind, and Mankind to God). We are presently “conciliated to God”, in the future we will be “reconciliated” to God. This is not of ourselves, but of God, who is the “Saviour of all mankind”, (1Tim.4:9-10)
Hope this makes sense to someone.Blessings, Jerry.
This makes absolutely no sense, it's a bunch of NONESENSE.Georg
Only to those that don't understand.Blessings.
That's what I meant!
So you don't believe scripture? I do.Blessings, Jerry.
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