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Gene,
I believe that there is a literal “lake of fire”, although it could be that it is not fire, but will share all the characteristics of fire, in that it will consume all that is thrown into it.As to death and hell being thrown in, I believe this to be mostly literal also. To state why I believe this I must first define what death and hell are. In my opinion hell is storage for souls and death is the portal by which the soul is drawn in once their biological unit ceases to function, this was required to prevent their interference with the living (which would be much like that of demons). To put it in real world terms death and hell are a “Robby the robot” of vacuum cleaners, the hose (death) automatically grabs dirt (souls) no longer attached and sucks them off to storage (hell). That is why I believe prior to Jesus, angels would carry a righteous soul to paradise (a separate storage area, like picking that coin up and putting it on a shelf so it doesn't end up thrown in the trash), God could not accept any of them into heaven (His pocket), yet (as they needed cleaning).
I believe with the earth was under control of satan and hell being contained within the earth he had access to the “general population” (and hating man he did what he could to torment them) but God protected, by right of their faith, those who had placed their trust in Him.
Once Jesus died for our sins, He obtained the keys (control) to death and hell, He first released the captives, those in the protected area (removed the coins from the shelf now clean put them in His pocket), and from then on, all who die in faith can be carried directly to heaven (His pocket) to await resurrection (while those in hell await judgment).
Once the final judgment comes there will be no more need of a storage facility for souls (no more failed biological units) and so the trash collector itself is thrown into the trash (the lake that consumes all that is thrown in).
Obviously this is my opinion, but I believe it to be supported by the whole of scripture. Wm
Wm………we need scripture support for what you are saying, we all can put forth logic stories from our reasoning and that is not altogether wrong we are to us the minds GOD has given us. But we do need Scripture support too. brother. I believe your statement that fire consumes all is not scripturally supported, Fire in scripture is uses to purify. IMO
peace and love to you and yours Wm…………………gene
gene
Mk 9:43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.
in this illustration it shows the fire never goes out and it shows the ones who are trow in to it do not come out of it,
is it
Quote (Gene @ Jan. 21 2010,03:06) Wm………we need scripture support for what you are saying, we all can put forth logic stories from our reasoning and that is not altogether wrong we are to us the minds GOD has given us. But we do need Scripture support too. brother. I believe your statement that fire consumes all is not scripturally supported, Fire in scripture is uses to purify. IMO peace and love to you and yours Wm…………………gene
terrarrica answered you some what. However I don't believe it will burn forever, just until all is burned up. If you look in the Old Test, your find many Scriptures that will say forever and ever, but only until the condition exist. IMO God has no reason to let it burn forever and it says the second death whoever will be thrown into the lake of fire.
IMO there is a lake of fire. But hell is a hole in the ground and not literal.
Peace and Love IreneQuote (Gene @ Jan. 20 2010,22:06) Wm………we need scripture support for what you are saying,
Couldn't agree more, however, sometimes it's interpretation of the scriptures that is a bigger problem.Quote
we all can put forth logic stories from our reasoning and that is not altogether wrong we are to us the minds GOD has given us. But we do need Scripture support too. brother. I believe your statement that fire consumes all is not scripturally supported,
it is the one thing that scripture can prove beyond a shadow of doubt, even Stu would accept it…Take scripture, light match and touch to scripture, is scripture purified or consumed?
Sorry I couldn't resist, it was just too perfect. So seriously I agree that believers works are passed through fire to be purified but scripture indicates that by going into the “lake of fire” you perish.
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Fire in scripture is uses to purify. IMOpeace and love to you and yours Wm…………………gene
Also IMO Wm
If my attempt at humor offended you I apologize.
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 20 2010,22:35) gene Mk 9:43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.
in this illustration it shows the fire never goes out and it shows the ones who are trow in to it do not come out of it,
is it
I believe it is a fire that cannot be quenched (put out) but will burn until all is consumed, but I do agree nothing comes out.My opinion – Wm
To All…………Jesus said if thy eye offend (prevent) you pluck it out and cast it from you for better to go into the kingdom with one eye then to have two and be cast into the fire where the worm does not die and so the fire is not quenched. He went on with the hand and the leg and said the same thing. Lets look closely at what Jesus said, He said we need to get rid of what ever is preventing us from going into the kingdom of GOD in our lives, even if it mean we are doing without it, and no matter how personal, because it is better for us to do without it then to keep it in our lives and be cast into the FIERY Judgements, of GOD where as long as that Worm (that evil ) is active in our lives the Judgements of GOD will not cease to be on that person.
Taking Spiritual Principles or Metaphors literally only confuses our thinking and prevents the truth from being brought out. Remember Jesus said the words i am telling you they are Spiritual, another words they must be spiritually perceived. There is (NO) LITERAL LAKE of FIRE ” OUR GOD IS THE CONSUMING FIRE” He purifies us as Gold is purified in a fire and He removes the dross as dross is removed from gold and other precious metals. His true ministers are also flames of His Fire. IMO
gene
you are a preacher for your own Church,not for God Church,Christ tells us to do something with our wicket way ,to get rid of it and change,you say it is not so ;; There is (NO) LITERAL LAKE of FIRE ” OUR GOD IS THE CONSUMING FIRE” He purifies us as Gold is purified in a fire and He removes the dross as dross is removed from gold and other precious metals. His true ministers are also flames of His Fire. IMO
God purify you if you do what he tell you to do ,so is Christ and the apostles.but you can believe whatever you want but it may not save you.
“Hell” is the English rendering of two different Greek words in the New Testament
The English word is from the Anglo-Saxon hel, Genitive case helle = a hidden place, from the Anglo-Saxon helan = to hide.
It is in the New Testament used as the translation of two Greek words:
Gehenna.
Greek geenna.
This is the transliteration of the Hebrew Gai' Hinnom, that is to say the Valley of Hinnom or “the Valley” of [the sons of] Hinnom, where were the fires through which children were passed in the worship of Moloch.
In the Old Testament Tophet was the Hebrew word used, because it was a place in this valley.
In our Lord's day the idolatry had ceased, but the fires were still continually burning there for the destruction of the refuse of Jerusalem.
Hence, geenna was used for the fires of destruction associated with the judgment of 'Elohim.
Sometimes, “geenna of fire”. 2Kings 23:10. Isaiah 30:33. Jeremiah 7:31, 32; 19:11-14.
Geenna occurs 12 times, and is always rendered “hell”, Matthew 5:22, 29, 30; 10:28; 18:9; 23:15, 33. Mark 9:43, 45, 47. Luke 12:5. James 3:6.
Hades.
Greek hades, from a (privative) and idein, to see; used by the Greeks for the unseen world.
The meaning which the Greeks put upon it does not concern us; nor have we anything to do with the imaginations of the heathen, or the traditions of Jews or Romanists, or the teachings of demons or evil spirits, or of any who still cling to them.
The Holy Spirit has used it as one of the “words pertaining to the earth”, and in so doing has “purified” it, “as silver tried in a furnace” (Psalms 12:6).
From this we learn that His own words “are pure”, but words belonging to this earth have to be “purified”.
The Old Testament is the fountain head of the Hebrew language.
It has no literature behind it. But the case is entirely different with the Greek language.
The Hebrew Sheol is a word Divine in its origin and usage.
The Greek Hades is human in its origin and comes down to us laden with centuries of development, in which it has acquired new senses, meanings, and usages.
Seeing that the Holy Spirit has used it in Acts 2:27, 31 as His own equivalent of Sheol in Psalm 16:10, He has settled, once for all, the sense in which we are to understand it.
The meaning He has given to Sheol in Psalms 16:10 is the one meaning we are to give it wherever it occurs in the New Testament, whether we transliterate it or translate it.
We have no liberty to do otherwise, and must discard everything outside the Word of 'Elohim.
The word occurs eleven times (Matthew 11:23; 16:18. Luke 10:15; 16:23. Acts 2:27, 31. 1Corinthians 15:55. Revelation 1:18; 6:8; 20:13, 14); and is rendered “hell” in every passage except one, where it is rendered “grave” (1Corinthians 15:55, margin “hell”).
In the Revised Version the word is always transliterated “Hades”, except in 1Corinthians 15:55 (where “death” is substituted because of the reading, in all the texts, of thanate for hade), and in the American Revised Version also.
As Hades is the Divine Scriptural equivalent of Sheol.
It may be well to note that while “Hades” is rendered “hell” in the New Testament (except once, where the rendering “the grave” could not be avoided), Sheol, its Hebrew equivalent, occurs 65 times, and is rendered “the grave” 31 times (or 54%); “hell” 31 times (4 times with margin “the grave”, reducing it to 41.5%); and “pit” only 3 times (or 4.5 %).
“The grave”, therefore, is obviously the best rendering, meaning the state of death (German sterbend, for which we have no English equivalent); not the act of dying, as an examination of all the occurrences of both words will show.
The rendering “pit” so evidently means “the grave” that it may at once be substituted for it (Numbers 16:30, 33. Job 17:16).
The rendering “the grave” (not “a grave”, which is Hebrew keber or bor) exactly expresses the meaning of both Sheol and Hades.
For, as to direction, it is always down: as to place, it is in the earth: as to relation, it is always in contrast with the state of the living (Deuteronomy 32:22-25 and 1Samuel 2:6-8); as to association, it is connected with mourning (Genesis 37:34, 35), sorrow (Genesis 42:38. 2Samuel 22:6. Psalms 18:5; 116:3), fright and terror (Numbers 16:27, 34), mourning (Isaiah 38:3, 10, 17, 18), silence (Psalms 6:5; 31:17. Ecclesiastes 9:10), no knowledge (Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10), punishment (Numbers 16:29, 34. 1Kings 2:6, 9. Job 24:19. Psalms 9:17 (Revised Version = re-turned)), corruption (Psalms 16:10. Acts 2:27, 31); as to duration, resurrection is the only exit from it (Psalms 16:11. Acts 2:27, 31; 13:33-37. 1Corinthians 15:55. Revelation 1:18; 20:5, 13, 14).
Tartaroo (occurs only in 2Peter 2:4) = to thrust down to Tartarus, Tartarus being a Greek word, not used elsewhere, or at all in the Septuagint. Homer describes it as subterranean (compare Deuteronomy 32:22, which may refer to this).
The Homeric Tartarus is the prison of the Titans, or giants (compare Hebrew Rephaim, Appendix 25), who rebelled against Zeus.
“Sheol”. Hebrew, Sheõl.
The first occurrence of this word is in Genesis 37:35, where it is rendered “grave”.
It occurs sixty-five times in the Hebrew of the Old Testament; and only by studying each passage by itself can the student hope to gather the Biblical usage of the word.
All heathen or traditional usages are not only worthless, but mischievous.
The following are all the passages where the word “Sheol” occurs, with the rendering in each passage indicated thus:
1. = grave, 2. = pit, 3. = hell:
1. Genesis 37:35.
1. Genesis 42:38.
1 Genesis 44:29,31.
2. Numbers 16:30,33.
3. Deuteronomy 32:22.
1. 1Samuel 2:6.
3. 2Samuel 22:6.
1. 1Kings 2:6,9.
1. Job 7:9.
3. Job 11:8.
1. Job 14:13.
1. Job 17:13.
2. Job 17:16.
1. Job 21:13.
1. Job 24:19.
3. Job 26:6.
1. Psalm 6:5.
3. Psalm 9:17.
3. Psalm 16:10.
3. Psalm 18:5.
1. Psalm 30:3.
1. Psalm 31:17.
1. Psalm 49:14,14,15.
3. Psalm 55:15. (margin grave).
3. Psalm 86:13. (margin grave).
3. Psalm 88:3.
1. Psalm 89:48.
3. Psalm 116:3.
3. Psalm 139:8.
1. Psalm 141:7.
1. Proverbs 1:12.
3. Proverbs 5:5.
3. Proverbs 7:27.
3. Proverbs 9:18.
3. Proverbs 15:11,24.
3. Proverbs 23:14.
3. Proverbs 27:20.
1. Proverbs 30:16.
1. Ecclesiastes 9:10.
1. Song of Solomon 8:6.
3. Isaiah 5:14.
3. Isaiah 14:9 (margin grave).
1. Isaiah 14:11.
3. Isaiah 14:15.
3. Isaiah 28:15,18.
1. Isaiah 38:10.
1. Isaiah 38:18.
3. Isaiah 57:9.
1. Ezekiel 31:15.
3. Ezekiel 31:16,17.
3. Ezekiel 32:21,27.
1. Hosea 13:14,14.
3. Amos 9:2.
3. Jonah 2:2 (margin grave).
3. Habakkuk 2:5.As meaning “THE grave,” it is to be distinguished from keber, A grave, or burying-place (from kabar, to bury, first occurrence Genesis 23:4): and bõr, a pit, generally hewn in the rock, hence used of a cistern (Genesis 37:20) or a dugeon, and etc., when dry. (See note below on the word “well” in Genesis 21:19.)
HELL = GRAVE, PIT, etc.
Amos 9:2 “Though they dig into hell, thence shall mine hand take them.”
A figurative expression; but certainly pits of the earth are the only hells men can dig into.
Psa. 16:10 “Thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.”
This refers to our Lord’s three days in the tomb. Acts 2:31; 3:15
Psa. 18:5 and 2 Sam. 22:6 “The cords of hell compassed me about.”
A figure in which trouble is represented as hastening one to the tomb.
Psa. 55:15 “Let them go down quick into hell”
The grave.
Psa. 9:17 “The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget 'Elohim.”
Their graves.
Psa. 86:13 “Thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell“
The grave.
Psa. 116:3“The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me.”
Sickness and trouble are the figurative hands of the grave to grasp us.
Psa. 139:8 “If I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.”
'Elohim’s power is unlimited: even over those in the tomb he can and will exert it and bring forth all that are in the graves. John 5:28
Deut. 32:22 “For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn into the lowest hell.”
A figurative representation of the destruction, the utter ruin, of Israel as a nation “wrath to the uttermost,” as the Apostle called it, 'Elohim’s anger burning that nation to the “lowest deep,” as Leeser here translates the word sheol. 1 Thes. 2:16
Job 11:8 “It ['Elohim’s wisdom] is as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell [than any pit]; what canst thou know?”
Job 26:6 “Hell [the tomb] is naked before him, and destruction hath no covering.”
Prov. 5:5 “Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on hell .”
Prov. 7:27 “Her house is the way to hell [the grave], going down to the chambers of death.”
Prov. 9:18 “He knoweth not that the dead are there, and that her guests are in the depths of hell.”
Here the harlot’s guests are represented as dead, diseased or dying, and many of the victims of sensuality in premature graves from diseases which also hurry off their posterity to the tomb.
Prov. 15:11 “Hell and destruction are before the Lord.”
Here the grave is associated with destruction and not with a life of torment.
Prov. 15:24 “The path of life (leadeth) upward for the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath.”
This illustrates the hope of resurrection from the tomb.
Prov. 23:14 “Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell”
I.e., wise correction will save a child from vicious ways which lead to premature death, and may also possibly prepare him to escape the “Second Death”.
Prov. 27:20 “Hell [the grave] and destruction are never full: so the eyes of man are never satisfied.”
Isa. 5:14 “Therefore hell hath enlarged herself and opened her mouth without measure.”
Here the grave is a symbol of destruction.
Isa. 14:9,15 “Hell [margin, grave] from beneath is moved for thee, to meet thee at thy coming.” …”Thou shalt be brought down to hell” [the grave—so rendered in verse 11].
Isa. 57:9 “And didst debase thyself even unto hell.”
Here figurative of deep degradation.
Ezek. 31:15-17— “In the day when he went down to the grave,…I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit…. They also went down into hell with him, unto them that be slain with the sword.”
Figurative and prophetic description of the fall of Babylon into destruction, silence, the grave.
Ezek. 32:21 “The strong among the mighty shall speak to him out of the midst of hell with them that help him.”
A continuation of the same figure representing Egypt’s overthrow as a nation to join Babylon in destruction—buried.
Ezek. 32:27 “And they shall not lie with the mighty that are fallen of the uncircumcised, which are gone down to hell with their weapons of war: and they have laid their swords under their heads; but their iniquities shall be upon their bones, though they were the terror of the mighty in the land of the living.”
The grave is the only “hell” where fallen ones are buried and lie with their weapons of war under their heads.
Hab. 2:5 “Who enlargeth his desire as hell [the grave] and as death, and cannot be satisfied.”
Jonah 2:1,2 “Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his 'Elohim, out of the fish’s belly, and said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.”
The belly of the fish was for a time his grave.
Isa. 28:15-18 “Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell [the grave] are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us, for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves: Therefore, saith the Lord, …Your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell [the grave] shall not stand.”
'Elohim thus declares that the present prevalent idea, by which death and the grave are represented as friends, rather than enemies, shall cease; and men shall learn that death is the wages of sin, now and that it is in Satan’s power (Rom. 6:23; Heb. 2:14) and not an angel sent by 'Elohim.
HELL = The GRAVE
Gen. 37:35 “I will go down into the grave unto my son.”
Gen. 42:38 “Then shall ye bring down my gray hairs with sorrow to the grave.”
See also the same expression in 44:29,31 The translators did not like to send 'Elohim’s servant, Jacob, to hell simply because his sons were evil.
1 Sam. 2:6 “The Lord killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up.”
1 Kings 2:6,9—”Let not his hoar head go down to the grave with peace….His hoar head bring thou down to the grave with blood.”
Job 7:9—”He that goeth down to the grave.”
Job 14:13—”Oh, that thou wouldst hide me in the grave, that thou wouldst keep me secret until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldst appoint me a set time, and remember me [resurrect me]!”
Job 17:13 “If I wait, the grave is mine house: I have made my bed in the darkness.”
Job waits for resurrection—”in the morning.”
Job 17:16 “They shall go down to the bars of the pit [grave], when our rest together is in the dust.”
Job 21:13 “They spend their days in mirth, and in a moment go down to the grave.”
Job 24:19,20 “Drought and heat consume the snow waters: so doth the grave those which have sinned.”
All have sinned, hence “Death passed upon all men,” and all go down to the grave. But all have been redeemed by “the precious blood of the Messiah”; hence all shall be awakened and come forth again in 'Elohim’s due time—”in the morning,” Rom. 5:12,18,19
Psa. 6:5 “In death there is no remembrance of thee; in the grave who shall give thee thanks?”
Psa. 30:3 “O Lord, thou hast brought up my soul from the grave: thou hast kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit.”
This passage expresses gratitude for recovery from danger of death.
Psa. 31:17 “Let the wicked be ashamed; let them be silent in the grave.”
Psa. 49:14,15, “Like sheep they are laid in the grave: death shall feed on them; and the upright [the saints—Dan. 7:27] shall have dominion over them in the morning [the Millennial morning]; and their beauty shall consume, the grave being an habitation to every one of them. But 'Elohim will redeem my soul from the power of the grave.”
Psa. 88:3 “My life draweth nigh unto the grave.”
Psa. 89:48 “Shall he deliver his soul from the hand of the grave?”
Psa. 141:7 “Our bones are scattered at the grave’s mouth.”
Prov. 1:12 “Let us swallow them up alive as the grave: and whole, as those that go down into the pit”
I.e., as of an earthquake, as in Num. 16:30-33.
Prov. 30:15,16 “Four things say not, it is enough: the grave,” etc.
Eccl. 9:10 “Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.”
Song of Solomon 8:6 “Jealousy is cruel as the grave.”
Isa. 14:11 “Thy pomp is brought down to the grave.”
Isa. 38:10 “I shall go to the gates of the grave I am deprived of the residue of my years.”
Isa. 38:18 “The grave cannot praise thee, death cannot celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.”
Num. 16:30-33 “If…they go down quick into the pit, then shall ye understand….The ground clave asunder that was under them, and the earth opened her mouth and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods. They and all that appertained to them went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation.”
Ezek. 31:15 “In the day when he went down to the grave.”
Hosea 13:14 “I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death. O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction. Repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.”
The Lord did not ransom any from a place of fire and torment, for there is no such place; but he did ransom all mankind from the grave, from death, the penalty brought upon all by Adam’s sin, as this verse declares.
This includes every instance of the use of the English word “hell” and the Hebrew word sheol in the Old Testament.
From this it must be evident that 'Elohim’s revelations for four thousand years contain not a single hint of a “hell,” such as the word is now understood to signify.
Quote (Everlasting father Jesus @ Jan. 21 2010,16:18) Hell is eternal one way or the other, it sounds like a terrible place
It is not a place, it is destruction, and that destruction is eternal. And it is terrible, for the wicked, but only until they are destroyed. 'Elohim is merciful!Quote (Constitutionalist @ Jan. 22 2010,11:21) Quote (Everlasting father Jesus @ Jan. 21 2010,16:18) Hell is eternal one way or the other, it sounds like a terrible place
It is not a place, it is destruction, and that destruction is eternal. And it is terrible, for the wicked, but only until they are destroyed. 'Elohim is merciful!
1Cor.15:22-28…
22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified.
23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence;
24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power.
25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy is being abolished: death.
27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him.
28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)1Tim.4:9-11…
9 Faithful is the saying and worthy of all welcome
10 (for for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of believers.
11 These things be charging and teaching.1Tim.2:3-4…
3 for this is ideal and welcome in the sight of our Saviour, God,
4 Who wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth.Ro.11:26…
26 And thus all Israel shall be saved, according as it is written, Arriving out of Zion shall be the Rescuer. He will be turning away irreverence from Jacob.Isaiah 46:11…
Saying, All My counsel shall be confirmed,
And all My desire will I do.If scripture says, “All will be saved” and “God will be All in all”, how can we not believe Him?
Blessings.
CO
1TI 4:10 For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.
1TI 4:11 Prescribe and teach these things.
1TI 4:12 Let no one look down on your youthfulness, but rather in speech, conduct, love, faith and purity, show yourself an example of those who believeJN 3:36 “He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
JN 4:24 “God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth
Con……YOU have done an excellent Job. I totally agree that Hell comes from the Anglo Saxon word to bury and the Grave is the true rending is scriptures of the words both in the new and Old testaments. Good JOB Brother. This goes hand in hand with what Jesus said to “don't fear him who can destory the Body then can do nothing else , but fear him who can (DESTROY) (BOTH) Body and SOUL in the GRAVE……….> When we die our Bodies go the the Grave and we completely parish, our SPIRIT (INTELLECT) Returns back to him who gave it to us, and if He leaves it that way we are eternally dead we not longer exist, Unless GOD creates a new BODY and Adds SPIRIT back into IT and we then become a New living SOUL. A BODY + SPIRIT = a SOUL. Again good job brother we need more of this Here. So we can all grow in understanding. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………….gene
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