Does god procreate?

[JustAskin]

This would all be incredibly hilarious if it wasn't so funny…

Mike, why don't you ever lock down your arguments…?

You have left a massive gaping hole in your “Jesus is God” posting…and WJ is driving right through it!

The Word “God” is a TITLE that means “Mighty One” (and other Superior things). So what you are saying is true – Jesus is indeed “a god”, “a MIGHTY ONE” in terms of his deeds amongs MEN.

“God” is a TITLE that means “A superior one …among his OWN Kind”
“God” is a TITLE that means “One vested with Power and Authority …among his OWN Kind”
“God” is a TITLE that means “One of Might …among his OWN Kind”

Indeed, Jesus is all these things – and so were many others, therefore “GOD”, “the Most Mighty God”, YHVH, also, himself, called others “God”-“Mighty Ones”.

Satan is a “Mighty ONE” …IN This World (Not heaven!) and among the fallen angels (Indeed he is their Leader – A mighty Leader of a fallen group destined for destruction)

Moses was a god among Men, among his own kind, so to was Samson, David and Solomon and Pharoah and Nebuchadnezzar and the King f Assyria and , and , and….

Yes, God among their own kind.

And in the Most high Heaven “YHVH” is the “MOST HIGH GOD”, The most highly Superior, the Most Powerful and authorative and Mighty of all Spirits – in fact, The VERY SOURCE of ALL POWER, MAJESTY, AUTHORITY AND MIGHT.

Don't love debate so much that you allow your adversary to get back right through you … WJ is playing with you like a cat plays with a mouse…

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2010,00:08)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 23 2010,15:24) Mike, no offense, but what are you trying to say? are you saying that 43:10 eludes that God can  apprently “be formed” or “beget” another God? Dennison, No offense, But if you want me to answer your posts, post them so they make sense.  Use punctuation correctly, and maybe take a second to proof read them to make sure they are comprehendable to others. And to answer the only part I could understand without taking a lot of time to decypher, Yes.  Yes Dennison and Shimmer and All.  Is 43:10 says nothing about there being no other gods at all.  Even Jehovah the Almighty God foretells that Jesus will be called mighty god.  And Jesus says the Father beget him.  Hmmm……what's 1+1? Jesus is begotten by God Himself.  God Himself says Jesus is a mighty god.  Then John goes and calls Jesus the “only begotten god”. So, where again does Is 43:10 actually say no other gods, or mighty ones will exist?   It only says that none existed before the Almighty One, because He is the only One said to be “from everlasting” by Moses. And it says that none shall exist after, or “longer than” He exists.  Let's not add more to it than what's there. mike

Mike,

Whoops sorry. I posting very late, and im usually out of it.
I just post and Go.
You know?

let me try this again than.

To sum up, i was saying that God existed above time. That he is eternal.
So there is nothing Before him.
And nothing AFter him.
Its just him.

Basically thats what im saying. That the Title of God belongs to no other, being the supreme being that he is, the omnipotent.

Whe you refer to Jesus being called a mighty God, i would respond to saying that is just including him in the echad of God.

its 3am here, so im out of it.
If that didnt make any sense, ill post again when im really awake.

[shimmer]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2010,06:48)

Shimmer: Quote Mike, Greek ? Not just any old Greek words, Shimmer, but the Greek words from the Septuagint.  According to KJ, the LXX was quoted more often in the NT than the Hebrew text.   Shimmer: Quote Youngs literal, “Before Me there was no God formed, And after Me there is none”. Sounds about right.  I would change the “is” to “will be” if it was up to me, but other than that YLT puts it just like the LXX puts it…….what your point? Shimmer: Quote Hebrew word study… YHWH is the only God.  There is no other god.  There never has been any other god.  There never will be any other god.  All creation witnesses to this fact – and so do we.  YHWH is God. Your “word study” might want to actually read the Bible, where it is made clear that “god” means “mighty one”, and although there is only one “ALMIGHTY ONE”, there are many,many “mighty ones” listed.  One of them is even said by John to be the “only begotten god”.  Hmmmmm……..who to believe, scripture or your “word study”. mike

Mike, there ARE many Gods (Satan is the God of this world, Money can be a God, Allah, anything) but only one true God YHVH, YAH, YAHSHUA which means Yah saves, Man, I spent so long debating with Bod that God has a Son, who was crucified, now up here its all about unbegotten – Begotten, over and over, God has a body now ? ha, ok, well Mike, my Bible says God is Spirit, God is everywhere, God is love,

[shimmer]

Hi Ed.

I don't know what your saying, (a page back)

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 25 2010,06:02)

Mike Whats the difference? “Before me never begotten another God” and after me none exist Can you now see clearly that none exist before and after him? WJ

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 24 2010,14:39)

Hi Keith, I can see clearly that none WERE BEFORE Him, and none WILL BE AFTER Him.

Apparently you don't get it.

There is “Only **ONE TRUE** God” before him and there is “Only **ONE TRUE** God” after him.

So all other so-called gods are not “True Gods”, or gods at all get it?

There were no other Gods formed period. All other so-called gods are false.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 24 2010,14:39)

He is the first and the last, the beginning and the end…….get it?

Jesus is also “The beginning and the end”…

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is “THE BEGINNING”, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.. Col 1:18

And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, “THE BEGINNING” of the creation of God;. Rev 3:14

I am Alpha and Omega, “THE BEGINNING” and the end, the first and the last. Rev 22:13

So since Jesus is the beginning of these so-called gods then he is also the end of them, in other words there are no other “True Gods” before or after him. Get it?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 24 2010,14:39)

It doesn't actually imply that there would absolutely be NO other “mighty ones” ever, or it would be a lie.  There are many “mighty ones” mentioned in scripture……..and even one who is said to be the “only begotten god”.

So you say Mike with your Polytheistic view, but do you deny these scriptures which clearly state there is only “One God”?…

1.Yahweh, He is God; there is no other besides Him.” Deuteronomy 4:35
2.“Yahweh, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other.” Deuteronomy 4:39
3.“See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me” Deuteronomy 32:39
4.“Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [echad]!” Deuteronomy 6:4
5.“You are great, O Lord God; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You” 2 Samuel 7:22
6.“For who is God, besides Yahweh? And who is a rock, besides our God?” 2 Samuel 22:32
7.“Yahweh is God; there is no one else.” 1 Kings 8:60
8.“You are the God, You alone [bad], of all the kingdoms of the earth.” 2 Kings 19:15
9.“O Lord, there is none like You, nor is there any God besides You” 1 Chronicles 17:20
10.“You alone [bad] are Yahweh.” Nehemiah 9:6
11.“For who is God, but Yahweh? And who is a rock, except our God” Psalm 18:31
12.“You alone [bad], Lord, are God.” Isaiah 37:20
13.“Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me.” Isaiah 43:10
14.“‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.” Isaiah 44:6
15.“Is there any God besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none.” Isaiah 44:8
16.“I am Yahweh, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God.” Isaiah 45:5
17.“Surely, God is with you, and there is none else, No other God.” Isaiah 45:14
18.“I am Yahweh, and there is none else.” Isaiah 45:18
19.“Is it not I, Yahweh? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me.” Isaiah 45:21
20.“I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me” Isaiah 46:9
21.“And Yahweh will be king over all the earth; in that day Yahweh will be the only one [echad], and His name the only one[echad].” Zechariah 14:9

So go ahead and keep up with your spin by explaining away that there is “Only One True God” and no other formed before or after him.

WJ

[mikeboll64]

Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 25 2010,23:39)

Mike, there ARE many Gods (Satan is the God of this world, Money can be a God, Allah, anything) but only one true God YHVH

Hi Shimmer,

This part of what you posted is scripturally correct. Very good.

mike

[mikeboll64]

Hi Keith,

You said:

Quote

Apparently you don't get it. There is “Only **ONE TRUE** God” before him and there is “Only **ONE TRUE** God” after him.

First, that is not what Is 43:10 says at all.  It says none were formed before Him, and none will exist after Him.

Second, who is it that Jesus says is the “only true God”?  The Father.  Who is it that Paul says is our “one God”?  That's right, the Father.  Not some Father/Son combo, Keith.

Come on people…..It's like I'm fighting a battle here.  Why is it so hard for you to just take scripture as it is written?  Don't add more to it than what is there.

Think about it.  If you force it to say “no gods have ever been formed after me”, then it is a lie, because the scriptures mention many other gods.  

You all are acting like you're fighting against me, but it is scripture that say Jesus is a god, not me.  It is scripture that says Satan is a god, not me.  It is God's words that say “you shall have no gods before me”, not mine.

mike

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2010,11:31)

Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 25 2010,23:39) Mike, there ARE many Gods (Satan is the God of this world, Money can be a God, Allah, anything) but only one true God YHVH Hi Shimmer, This part of what you posted is scripturally correct.  Very good.   mike

Satan is god with a little “g”.

Satan is a false god, a usurper of power for evil.

There is “Only One God” and all others are so-called gods. 1 Cor 8:4,5

1.Yahweh, “He is God; there is NO OTHER besides Him.” Deuteronomy 4:35
2.“Yahweh, “He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; “there is NO OTHER.” Deuteronomy 4:39
3.“See now that I, I am He, And “there is NO GOD besides Me” Deuteronomy 32:39
5.“You are great, O Lord God; for there is none like You, and “there is NO GOD besides You” 2 Samuel 7:22
6.“For WHO IS GOD, besides Yahweh”? And who is a rock, besides our God?” 2 Samuel 22:32
7.“Yahweh is God; there is NO ONE ELSE.” 1 Kings 8:60
8.“You are the God, YOU ALONE [bad]”, of all the kingdoms of the earth.” 2 Kings 19:15
9.“O Lord, there is none like You, nor is there “ANY GOD besides You” 1 Chronicles 17:20
11.“For WHO IS GOD, but Yahweh? And who is a rock, except our God” Psalm 18:31
12.“YOU ALONE [bad], Lord, are God.” Isaiah 37:20
13.“Before Me there was “NO GOD FORMED, And “there will be NONE AFTER ME.” Isaiah 43:10
14.“‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is NO GOD besides Me.” Isaiah 44:6
15.“Is there ANY GOD besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none.” Isaiah 44:8
16.“I am Yahweh, and “there is NO OTHER; BESIDES ME there is NO GOD”.” Isaiah 45:5
17.“Surely, God is with you, and “there is NONE ELSE, NO OTHER GOD”.” Isaiah 45:14
19.“Is it not I, Yahweh? And there is NO OTHER GOD BESIDES ME, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me.” Isaiah 45:21
20.“I am God, and there is NO OTHER”; I am God, and there is no one like Me” Isaiah 46:9
21 “Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, “THE ONLY [MONOS] GOD”” 1 Timothy 1:17

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2010,11:49)

Hi Keith, You said: Quote Apparently you don't get it. There is “Only **ONE TRUE** God” before him and there is “Only **ONE TRUE** God” after him. First, that is not what Is 43:10 says at all.  It says none were formed before Him, and none will exist after Him. Second, who is it that Jesus says is the “only true God”?  The Father.  Who is it that Paul says is our “one God”?  That's right, the Father.  Not some Father/Son combo, Keith. Come on people…..It's like I'm fighting a battle here.  Why is it so hard for you to just take scripture as it is written?  Don't add more to it than what is there. Think about it.  If you force it to say “no gods have ever been formed after me”, then it is a lie, because the scriptures mention many other gods.   You all are acting like you're fighting against me, but it is scripture that say Jesus is a god, not me.  It is scripture that says Satan is a god, not me.  It is God's words that say “you shall have no gods before me”, not mine. mike

1.Yahweh, “He is God; there is NO OTHER besides Him.” Deuteronomy 4:35
2.“Yahweh, “He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; “there is NO OTHER.” Deuteronomy 4:39
3.“See now that I, I am He, And “there is NO GOD besides Me” Deuteronomy 32:39
5.“You are great, O Lord God; for there is none like You, and “there is NO GOD besides You” 2 Samuel 7:22
6.“For WHO IS GOD, besides Yahweh”? And who is a rock, besides our God?” 2 Samuel 22:32
7.“Yahweh is God; there is NO ONE ELSE.” 1 Kings 8:60
8.“You are the God, YOU ALONE [bad]”, of all the kingdoms of the earth.” 2 Kings 19:15
9.“O Lord, there is none like You, nor is there “ANY GOD besides You” 1 Chronicles 17:20
11.“For WHO IS GOD, but Yahweh? And who is a rock, except our God” Psalm 18:31
12.“YOU ALONE [bad], Lord, are God.” Isaiah 37:20
13.“Before Me there was “NO GOD FORMED, And “there will be NONE AFTER ME.” Isaiah 43:10
14.“‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is NO GOD besides Me.” Isaiah 44:6
15.“Is there ANY GOD besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none.” Isaiah 44:8
16.“I am Yahweh, and “there is NO OTHER; BESIDES ME there is NO GOD”.” Isaiah 45:5
17.“Surely, God is with you, and “there is NONE ELSE, NO OTHER GOD”.” Isaiah 45:14
19.“Is it not I, Yahweh? And there is NO OTHER GOD BESIDES ME, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me.” Isaiah 45:21
20.“I am God, and there is NO OTHER”; I am God, and there is no one like Me” Isaiah 46:9
21 “Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, “THE ONLY [MONOS] GOD”” 1 Timothy 1:17

Mike

What does…

NO OTHER

NO GOD BESIDES ME

WHO IS GOD BESIDES OUR GOD

YHWH IS GOD, THERE IS NO ONE ELSE

ANY GOD BESIDES HIM

YOU ALONE LORD ARE GOD

NONE ELSE, NO OTHER GOD

THERE IS NONE EXCEPT ME

THE ONLY GOD

mean to you?

Once again you do not accept clear language but have to twist and spin your way out of it to support your Polytheistic views.

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2010,11:49)

Hi Keith, You said: Quote Apparently you don't get it. There is “Only **ONE TRUE** God” before him and there is “Only **ONE TRUE** God” after him. Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2010,11:49) First, that is not what Is 43:10 says at all.  It says none were formed before Him, and none will exist after Him.

Well then what about what YHWH says through Isaiah in the rest of the book?

12.“YOU ALONE [bad], Lord, are God.” Isaiah 37:20
13.“Before Me there was “NO GOD FORMED, And “there will be NONE AFTER ME.” Isaiah 43:10
14.“‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is NO GOD besides Me.” Isaiah 44:6
15.“Is there ANY GOD besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none.” Isaiah 44:8
16.“I am Yahweh, and “there is NO OTHER; BESIDES ME there is NO GOD”.” Isaiah 45:5
17.“Surely, God is with you, and “there is NONE ELSE, NO OTHER GOD”.” Isaiah 45:14
19.“Is it not I, Yahweh? And there is NO OTHER GOD BESIDES ME, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me.” Isaiah 45:21
20.“I am God, and there is NO OTHER”; I am God, and there is no one like Me” Isaiah 46:9

You do see that don't you Mike?

Come on Mike take the blinders off.

You say “It says none were formed before Him, and none will exist after Him”.

So in other words you think that means God did not form any gods before him but yet somewhere in between that, and “none will exist after him” he formed other gods?  

Show us scriptures that says God formed or created other gods. Or is it that God created all things and man began to make idols and gods other than YHWH?

Satans promise to Adam and Eve was “they would be as gods“.

They were perfect and without sin, and if anyone could have been called Gods it would have been Adam and Eve who YHWH  had given dominion over all the works of his hands.  

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2010,11:49)

Second, who is it that Jesus says is the “only true God”?  The Father.  Who is it that Paul says is our “one God”?  That's right, the Father.  Not some Father/Son combo, Keith.

Yes and Jesus did not rebuke Thomas for calling him his Lord and God, and John said he was the Word who was with God and was God, and Paul calls him his Great God and Savour, and John said he made himself equal to God, and the Father calls him God and Isaiah says he is called the Mighty God and on and on, so your point is?

“So why do you insist on some other “Begotten God”?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2010,11:49)

Come on people…..It's like I'm fighting a battle here.  Why is it so hard for you to just take scripture as it is written?  Don't add more to it than what is there.

Thats what others are trying to tell you. The battle you have is with scriptures.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2010,11:49)

Think about it.  If you force it to say “no gods have ever been formed after me”, then it is a lie, because the scriptures mention many other gods.

Yes think about it, there are many false gods who were formed or created by men like you have done with Jesus by saying he is “a god”, rather than “The True God” yet he is not your God, and even the Forefathers call him their God Mike. If you are so set on what they believe as agreeing with you then how do you explain that? Were they Polytheist and worshipped more than one God?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2010,11:49)

You all are acting like you're fighting against me, but it is scripture that say Jesus is a god, not me.  It is scripture that says Satan is a god, not me.  It is God's words that say “you shall have no gods before me”, not mine.

No the scriptures do not say Jesus is “a God” nowhere and in fact I challenge you to find a Forefather that refered to Jesus as “a God”.

Yes satan is “a god”, one of the so-called gods who usurps power for evil who also can transform himself into an angel of light, do you think he cannot parade as a god over this world?

But does that make him “a true god”? No he is the “god of this world” who is an enemy of God.

He is a false God Mike. Get it? He is not a god in the sense that Jesus is who you claim to be the “Only Begotten God” yet you do not claim him to be your “Only Begotten God”!

WJ

[Ed J]

Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 25 2010,23:46)

Hi Ed. I don't know what your saying, (a page back)

Hi Shimmer,

That's a very detailed version of saying…  
Jesus=74 is the “Son of God”=74(God Son); that's all!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Hi Keith,

Does scripture speak of THE Almighty God?

Does it speak of other gods who are not THE Almighty God?

mike

[Baker]

Mike If you take a look at Rev.21:22 …for the Lord Almighty….I have always thought that Jesus is the Mighty God, while Jehovah God is the Almighty God….Both Hebrew 1;8 and John 1:1 say tht The Word is God. In Hebrew it is Jehovah God who is calling Jesus God….On one of the Posts I read that God is a title and I do agree with that… All your other posts I agree with….Peace Irene.

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (Baker @ Aug. 26 2010,05:45)

Mike   If you take a look at Rev.21:22 …for the Lord Almighty….I have always thought that Jesus is the Mighty God, while Jehovah God is the Almighty God….Both Hebrew 1;8 and John 1:1 say tht The Word is God.  In Hebrew it is Jehovah God who is calling Jesus God….On one of the Posts I read that God is a title and I do agree with that… All your other posts I agree with….Peace Irene.

say what.. am i reading this correctly.
are you saying Jesus is God.
or just mighty huh>?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2010,19:02)

Hi Keith, Does scripture speak of THE Almighty God?

Yep. The scriptures also refer to him as the “Mighty God”. (Isa 9:6 – Isa 10:21)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2010,19:02)

Does it speak of other gods who are not THE Almighty God?

Yep, so-called gods, not formed or created by YHWH but made by the wicked hearts of men who served and worshipped them. They are false gods who are not gods at all.

The Lord himself says so…

“‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.” Isaiah 44:6

“Is there any God besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none.” Isaiah 44:8

“I am Yahweh, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God.” Isaiah 45:5

“I am Yahweh, and there is none else.” Isaiah 45:18

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Hi All

It is contended by some that God beget God or brought birth to “a God” before the ages or time which they claim is Jesus that was procreated from the Father who they also claim is an asexual God. For if Jesus is a “begotten God” born as a God just like the Father except for age, then why does it have to stop there? Why can't Jesus bring birth to “other Gods” just like him and on and on?

I believe the concept is ludicrous and has its roots in Greek Mythology.

Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: “BEFORE ME there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me”. Isa 43:10

As I was pondering this scripture like a light bulb that was turned on I saw it in a new way. It started with the question “How can anything be formed BEFORE God who has no beginning and has no end”? The statement seemed to be nonsensical and pointless especially if it is interpreted as Mike believes that there were gods formed in between the “Before me there was no God formed” and “neither shall there be after me”.

Then it came to me that “BEFORE ME” did not mean “in time” since there could be nothing before him, but rather “in my presence or in front of me”. So I looked up the Hebrew word “Before” and lo and behold it is “paniym” which means;

1) face
a) face, faces
b) presence, person
c) face (of seraphim or cherubim)
d) face (of animals)
e) face, surface (of ground)
f) as adv of loc/temp
1) before and behind, toward, in front of, forward, formerly, from beforetime, before
g) with prep
1) in front of, before, to the front of, in the presence of, in the face of, at the face or front of, from the presence of, from before, from before the face of

It is a masculine noun meaning Gods face. In other words in Gods presence or in his face or in front of him there were no gods formed neither shall there be after him, nor behind him, the Hebrew word for “after” also means “behind”.

So he is the first and the last and there is ‘NO GOD” formed before him and after him or in between. .

“‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is NO GOD besides Me.” Isaiah 44:6

So the above says that there is “NO GOD” besides him and I believe that would also mean a “begotten God” one that is procreated or born from God before the ages or time as another being who is a god.

Since procreation also includes being “formed” (yatsar) or created then by this we know that God did not procreate or form another God in his presence by birthing another God from himself.

Thus saith the LORD “that made (asah) thee, and formed (yatsar) thee from the womb, which will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun, whom I have chosen. Isa 44:2

Here we see that Jacob was formed or created from the womb, which is the same word “yatsar” used in Isaiah 43:10,  which means that “Born” and “Created” are synonymous terms. By him all things were created including all things that are “born”. Some would try to make the words “Born” and “Created” to mean two different things by claiming Jesus was not created but born from the Father.

The Hebrew word in the above scripture for formed is “yatsar” which means…

1) to form, fashion, frame
a) (Qal) to form, fashion
1) of human activity
2) of divine activity
a) of creation
1) of original creation
2) of individuals at conception
3) of Israel as a people

So to say that Jesus is “Begotten” or “Born” from the Father as in procreation yet he is not a created being is completely redefining the scriptural meanings of the words. Since he would be a created being by being born then that would mean that he is part of the creation of all things, or as some would put it, the first of his works, and of course that cannot be because it is by or through him all things came into being and without him nothing came into being. John 1:1-3

WJ

[Lightenup]

Keith,
That is what we are trying to tell you. The Father is the one true God. No other God/god is like Him since He is UNbegotten. The UNbegotten God has no competition from any other UNbegotten God or begotten God/god. We do know that the begotten God is at His Father's side, but He is not an UNbegotten like His Father. His Father is the first and last UNbegotten and the Son is the first and last begotten. One is God, the other is God OF God. I do not agree that the God OF God is part of creation but instead the one used by the Father to create the creation. The Son could not be a creature if His Father is not a creature.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 26 2010,14:37)

Keith, That is what we are trying to tell you.  The Father is the one true God.  No other God/god is like Him since He is UNbegotten.  The UNbegotten God has no competition from any other UNbegotten God or begotten God/god.  We do know that the begotten God is at His Father's side, but He is not an UNbegotten like His Father.  His Father is the first and last UNbegotten and the Son is the first and last begotten.  One is God, the other is God OF God.  I do not agree that the God OF God is part of creation but instead the one used by the Father to create the creation.  The Son could not be a creature if His Father is not a creature.

No Kathi

That is not what you have been trying to tell us. But rather you are trying to say there is more than “One True God”.

You say God beget another God from imself, but the Lord says…

“‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.” Isaiah 44:6

“Is there any God besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none.” Isaiah 44:8

“I am Yahweh, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God.” Isaiah 45:5

“I am Yahweh, and there is none else.” Isaiah 45:18

What part of “there is “NO GOD besides me” that is not clear to you Kathi?

Why would YHWH say there is no God beside him if “a God” was with him?

There is only one way to reconcile these words without changing the text or adding to it.

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 26 2010,14:37)

Keith, That is what we are trying to tell you.  The Father is the one true God.

So Jesus is not the “True God”?

WJ  

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 26 2010,14:49)

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 26 2010,14:37) Keith, That is what we are trying to tell you.  The Father is the one true God. So Jesus is not the “True God”? WJ

Keith,
Try to grasp this…Jesus is not the true UNbegotten God but He is the true Begotten God. No other God is like the unbegotten God, not even Jesus…however, Jesus is the God from/of the UNbegotten God…God of (from) God, Light of (from) Light, very God of (from) very God. Begotten not made…before the ages.

There is only ONE TRUE GOD that is UNbegotten, not formed, not begotten, not made…and that is the Father. That ONE TRUE GOD that is UNbegotten begat a Son and that Son is referred to as God by His God, because that which He begat is like Him in NATURE and is His offspring and He has given all things to Him. The Son is not another UNbegotten God but that doesn't mean that He isn't the only TRUE begotten God.

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