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Well Mike (Pierre and Keith and JA might want to read this too),
This is something I just came across from St. Chrysostom (i luv him whoever he is…we would 'get' each other's understanding). This sums up so much of what I have been trying to say but he says it better. See if this helps:Quote “And every tongue,” should “confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” That is, that all should say so; and this is glory to the Father. Seest thou how wherever the Son is glorified, the Father is also glorified? Thus too when the Son is dishonored, the Father is dishonored also. If this be so with us, where the difference is great between fathers and sons, much more in respect of God, where there is no difference, doth honor and insult pass on to Him. If the world be subjected to the Son, this is glory to the Father. And so when we say that He is perfect, wanting nothing, and not inferior to the Father, this is glory to the Father, that he begat such a one. This is a great proof of His power also, and goodness, and wisdom, that He begat one no whit inferior, neither in wisdom nor in goodness. When I say that He is wise as the Father, and no whit inferior, this is a proof of the great wisdom of the Father; when I say that He is powerful as the Father, this is a proof of the Father’s power. When I say that He is good as the Father, this is the greatest evidence of His goodness, that He begat such (a Son), in no whit less or inferior to Himself. When I say that He begat Him not inferior in substance but equal, and not of another substance, in this I again wonder at God, His power, and goodness, and wisdom, that He hath manifested to us another, of Himself, such as Himself, except in His not being the Father. Thus whatsoever great things I say of the Son, pass on to the Father. Now if this small and light matter (for it is but a light thing to God’s glory that the world should worship Him) is to the glory of God, how much more so are all those other things? When I have been saying that the worship of the Son pleases the Father, Chrysostom is saying the same thing in the above excerpt.
Mike, you mention this:
Quote You are so hip to what the early church fathers say but you ignore Eusebius? We believe in One God, the Father Almighty, the Maker of all things visible and invisible. And in One Lord Jesus Christ, the Word of God, God from God, Light from Light, Life from Life, Son Only-begotten, first-born of every creature, before all the ages, begotten from the Father,
I agree with Eusebius here and I do not think he equates the Son as part of the creature group at all. He clearly states that He is the creator with the Father. Being begotten does not equate to being created. Do we need to dig up his quote about the Son being the firstborn as in 'foundation' of all creation. I'll hunt it down. Also, I will look for the two links that say Eusebius worships the Son as the Son of God and also as God, for you.
So, I am really happy about the Chrysostom quote…read it over and over because it is what I have been trying to say to you for a while now.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 12 2010,09:18) Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 12 2010,16:10) Mike,
You realize that Eusebius worships the Son as God:
Hi Kathi,Could you post the link for me?
mike
Here Mike,
These are some of the more important quotes that I found for you regarding Eusebius:Quote And besides all this, as the pre-existent Word of God, called into being before all ages, he has received august honor from the Father, and is worshiped as God.
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf201.iii.vi.iii.htmlQuote 6. All that are said to have excelled in righteousness and piety since the creation of man, the great servant Moses and before him in the first place Abraham and his children, and as many righteous men and prophets as afterward appeared, have contemplated him with the pure eyes of the mind, and have recognized him and offered to him the worship which is due him as Son of God. Quote 3. For who beside the Father could clearly understand the Light which was before the world, the intellectual and essential Wisdom which existed before the ages, the living Word which was in the beginning with the Father and which was God, the first and only begotten of God which was before every creature and creation visible and invisible, the commander-in-chief of the rational and immortal host of heaven, the messenger of the great counsel, the executor of the Father’s unspoken will, the creator, with the Father, of all things, the second cause of the universe after the Father, the true and only-begotten Son of God, the Lord and God and King of all created things, the one who has received dominion and power, with divinity itself, and with might and honor from the Father; as it is said in regard to him in the mystical passages of Scripture which speak of his divinity: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”2525 John i. 1. “All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made.”26 edited to fix link to make Mike happy
Kathi:
Quote When I have been saying that the worship of the Son pleases the Father, Chrysostom is saying the same thing in the above excerpt.
Are Chrysostom's writings said to be “inspired of God”? He didn't say it better than you…….we all know that is exactly what you meant all along. So to both you and Chrysostom I say, “IT ISN'T SCRIPTURAL”. In fact, what he wrote is a bunch of malarkey. I could say the same thing about you:When I say Kathi is as powerful as God, it is to the benefit of God that I say it. When I say Kathi is as wise as God, it goes to show God's wisdom. And because God is the One who created Kathi, when I say Kathi is not inferior to God, it is a testament to God who was able to create this being that is equal to Him.
I'm not laughing at you Kathi, but at my little joke……I found it funny. This guys is messed up, just like many of the other quotes you've been posting. You started off on a good mission with these early church fathers, but now you are acting like their words are more credible than the scriptures.God says to worship and serve only Him. Moses says to worship and serve only God. Isaiah says to worship and serve only God. Jesus says to worship and serve only God.
Chrysostom and Kathi say to worship and serve both God AND His Son.
Chrysostom says: I say that He begat Him not inferior in substance but equal
God says: “To whom will you compare me? Or who is my equal?”
Who to believe? Hmmm……….???
mike
KATHY
YEA ,i have to agree with mike on this one,the fact that you ask to read it many times over and over ,why ? you have intoxicate your self with the poison of lies ,WE ONLY HAVE TO WORSHIP GOD ,
Pierre
Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 13 2010,14:20) , the executor of the Father’s unspoken will, the creator, with the Father,
Kathi, this is a sidenote from your link referring to this Eusebius quote:28 Ps. xxxiii. 9. There is really nothing in this passage to imply that the Psalmist thinks, as Eusebius supposes, of the Son as the Father’s agent in creation, who is here addressed by the Father. As Stroth remarks, “According to Eusebius, ‘He spake’ is equivalent to ‘He said to the Son, Create’; and ‘They were created’ means, according to him, not ‘They arose immediately upon this command of God,’ but ‘The Son was immediately obedient to the command of the Father and produced them.’
Could it be a man who, from what I've read, seems to follow scripture very well was mistaken in his conjecture? Apparently someone thinks so.
And you messed up the link about worship AS GOD, and that's the one I really wanted to read in context. Is it on the same page? It's not that I'm asking you to do my homework, but I don't really want to read all of Eusebius' writings to find it……..and after all, you quoted it – you should provide the link, right?
Mike,
Sorry about the link…I fixed the link to Eusebius statement as to worship the Son as God.http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf201.iii.vi.iii.html
There…happy now, probably not considering what Eusebius says that you don't want to accept.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 12 2010,22:57) Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 13 2010,14:20) , the executor of the Father’s unspoken will, the creator, with the Father,
Kathi, this is a sidenote from your link referring to this Eusebius quote:28 Ps. xxxiii. 9. There is really nothing in this passage to imply that the Psalmist thinks, as Eusebius supposes, of the Son as the Father’s agent in creation, who is here addressed by the Father. As Stroth remarks, “According to Eusebius, ‘He spake’ is equivalent to ‘He said to the Son, Create’; and ‘They were created’ means, according to him, not ‘They arose immediately upon this command of God,’ but ‘The Son was immediately obedient to the command of the Father and produced them.’
Could it be a man who, from what I've read, seems to follow scripture very well was mistaken in his conjecture? Apparently someone thinks so.
And you messed up the link about worship AS GOD, and that's the one I really wanted to read in context. Is it on the same page? It's not that I'm asking you to do my homework, but I don't really want to read all of Eusebius' writings to find it……..and after all, you quoted it – you should provide the link, right?
Mike,
Whether or not the Psalms verse implies what Eusebius implies, we know from the NT that the Son was used by the Father to create for it says in Col 1 that all things were created by Him both in heaven and on earth so this is not a concern.Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2010,22:42) KATHY YEA ,i have to agree with mike on this one,the fact that you ask to read it many times over and over ,why ? you have intoxicate your self with the poison of lies ,WE ONLY HAVE TO WORSHIP GOD ,
Pierre
Pierre,If God had been giving me understanding and then I find a Christian leader that lived long ago saying the same thing, I think that is a good indication that we were both being taught by the same spirit anyway, right?
It may seem like poison to you but it is further confirmation to me and I have to go with what I believe the Spirit has been giving me. I'm not really looking for finding new beliefs from these church fathers but looking for confirmation of what God has been giving me over the last 17 years or so since I have sought Him on the matters of the trinity. As you can see, I have found a lot of confirmation and that has been such a blessing to me. I am not wanting to teach anything new but rediscover old truths and uncover them once again. The Bible warns us against falling away from the truth which has been evident on HN as there are so many 'truths' in opposition here. I am finding a lot of much needed rest in rediscovering the old truths.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 12 2010,22:30) Kathi: Quote When I have been saying that the worship of the Son pleases the Father, Chrysostom is saying the same thing in the above excerpt.
Are Chrysostom's writings said to be “inspired of God”? He didn't say it better than you…….we all know that is exactly what you meant all along. So to both you and Chrysostom I say, “IT ISN'T SCRIPTURAL”. In fact, what he wrote is a bunch of malarkey. I could say the same thing about you:When I say Kathi is as powerful as God, it is to the benefit of God that I say it. When I say Kathi is as wise as God, it goes to show God's wisdom. And because God is the One who created Kathi, when I say Kathi is not inferior to God, it is a testament to God who was able to create this being that is equal to Him.
I'm not laughing at you Kathi, but at my little joke……I found it funny. This guys is messed up, just like many of the other quotes you've been posting. You started off on a good mission with these early church fathers, but now you are acting like their words are more credible than the scriptures.God says to worship and serve only Him. Moses says to worship and serve only God. Isaiah says to worship and serve only God. Jesus says to worship and serve only God.
Chrysostom and Kathi say to worship and serve both God AND His Son.
Chrysostom says: I say that He begat Him not inferior in substance but equal
God says: “To whom will you compare me? Or who is my equal?”
Who to believe? Hmmm……….???
mike
Mike,
Your words sound like words coming from a guy that isn't finding support for his theory and so makes a judgement towards all that don't support his theory as being full of malarkey instead of the Holy Spirit. Well, all I felt that I am supposed to do here is express my understanding and demonstrate that other Christians came to the same conclusions without me ever reading their work beforehand. That could show that the same Spirit is inspiring these understandings, couldn't it? Of course, you will say that, yes the same spirit is inspiring the understandings but it isn't God's spirit. Well, if I and many others that I find in agreement with me are implying that the Son is actually the Father or the cause of Himself then I can see your point but they are not and I am not. They are placing the Father as #1 and the Son as #2. They are not worshiping the Son as also #1 but with #1.Have you wondered why the apostles haven't been proclaiming to worship the Father only? Don't you think that it is because now, in the NT, they have had a new revelation as to who their creator was and the divinity of the Son of God has been made evident. Wouldn't it have been strange for God to say in the OT for the Israelites to worship Him and Jesus, or Him and His Son, or Him and His Christ, since He hadn't revealed Him to them yet?
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 12 2010,03:58) Lu, you inspired me to write a really long thread, please tell me what you think about it? Just askin: You are stating that we are EQUAL to Christ?
does paul not say we are ADOPTED so that we may Cry out “abba”?
Hi Dennison,
I will look at it, thanks. I'm tired now and will check it out tomorrow probably.The truth of God is evident in the person, many can come and claim they have higher knowledge but only true knowledge comes not only from above but also from within the person, have you seen a person who walks in peace is greatfull at all the Father has given wonders at the beauty of life, wakes to the sound of birdsong and the warmth of the sun despite all that is going on around them, filled with sadness at all that is lacking wishing for things to change wishing to clear it up for the love of God, grieving in their heart but burning with desire,
What you believe no matter how hard and long you search is meaningless if you do not have the spirit which is from above, search all that you will, gather all the information you can find, He who tries to save his own life will lose it, he who loses his life for the sake of the kingdom will gain it,
Seperate yourselves from life, not life which was created, not life which is the spirit found in all, but from the confusions and pains which come not from above but from what is of the world.
What comes from heaven has great power, what comes from earth is empty and meaningless unless the prayers of those who call out to God who watches out for those he loves and keeps them.
Trust in God all of you who hear, seek the true light.
Find peace with the Lord and rest in it,
Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 13 2010,22:23) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2010,22:42) KATHY YEA ,i have to agree with mike on this one,the fact that you ask to read it many times over and over ,why ? you have intoxicate your self with the poison of lies ,WE ONLY HAVE TO WORSHIP GOD ,
Pierre
Pierre,If God had been giving me understanding and then I find a Christian leader that lived long ago saying the same thing, I think that is a good indication that we were both being taught by the same spirit anyway, right?
It may seem like poison to you but it is further confirmation to me and I have to go with what I believe the Spirit has been giving me. I'm not really looking for finding new beliefs from these church fathers but looking for confirmation of what God has been giving me over the last 17 years or so since I have sought Him on the matters of the trinity. As you can see, I have found a lot of confirmation and that has been such a blessing to me. I am not wanting to teach anything new but rediscover old truths and uncover them once again. The Bible warns us against falling away from the truth which has been evident on HN as there are so many 'truths' in opposition here. I am finding a lot of much needed rest in rediscovering the old truths.
Kathyfirst i did not say that you are poison to me but that you have fill yourself with poison.
now,just to say i have study books,like Origen,St thomas aqui..Augustin,st Jerome,descartes,Voltaire,Blaise Pasquale,and those are but a few,
all what i have learn took me 15 years to clean up my brain of those men views and opinions.35 years ago i start to read only scriptures and only scriptures ,no religion views,no bible aide except for words meanings, and many night and days my mind was set on Gods word not with my ideas of the way i want him to be or do for me but the way it is written no more no less,and so no more lies,only the true word and God and me,you have no idea what God as given me in understanding,
the truth is the same 2000 years ago than today ,all those so called fore father by the churches are only there representatives or if not the churches have twisted there withings to be conform to there own believes.so I have given you the truth according to scriptures ,what you will do with it is not for me to do.
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 13 2010,00:08) Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 13 2010,22:23) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2010,22:42) KATHY YEA ,i have to agree with mike on this one,the fact that you ask to read it many times over and over ,why ? you have intoxicate your self with the poison of lies ,WE ONLY HAVE TO WORSHIP GOD ,
Pierre
Pierre,If God had been giving me understanding and then I find a Christian leader that lived long ago saying the same thing, I think that is a good indication that we were both being taught by the same spirit anyway, right?
It may seem like poison to you but it is further confirmation to me and I have to go with what I believe the Spirit has been giving me. I'm not really looking for finding new beliefs from these church fathers but looking for confirmation of what God has been giving me over the last 17 years or so since I have sought Him on the matters of the trinity. As you can see, I have found a lot of confirmation and that has been such a blessing to me. I am not wanting to teach anything new but rediscover old truths and uncover them once again. The Bible warns us against falling away from the truth which has been evident on HN as there are so many 'truths' in opposition here. I am finding a lot of much needed rest in rediscovering the old truths.
Kathyfirst i did not say that you are poison to me but that you have fill yourself with poison.
now,just to say i have study books,like Origen,St thomas aqui..Augustin,st Jerome,descartes,Voltaire,Blaise Pasquale,and those are but a few,
all what i have learn took me 15 years to clean up my brain of those men views and opinions.35 years ago i start to read only scriptures and only scriptures ,no religion views,no bible aide except for words meanings, and many night and days my mind was set on Gods word not with my ideas of the way i want him to be or do for me but the way it is written no more no less,and so no more lies,only the true word and God and me,you have no idea what God as given me in understanding,
the truth is the same 2000 years ago than today ,all those so called fore father by the churches are only there representatives or if not the churches have twisted there withings to be conform to there own believes.so I have given you the truth according to scriptures ,what you will do with it is not for me to do.
Pierre
Hi Pierre,
It's funny how we went about our search in a completely different order. You started with the church father's writings and then went to just the Bible and I started with the Bible only for years and up until this summer I was pretty clueless of the church father's writings. Our conclusions are different. I agree with much of what they write in regards to the Father begetting a Son before the ages and the Holy Spirit being 'of' Him. You have come to the conclusion that their writings have been twisted around or are the church's representatives.Actually, I see the early father's speaking of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit in a slightly different way than the current teachings of the church and so I do not think that the church has corrupted their writings as a whole. I don't assume that all the writings are beyond corruption but many here believe that our Bibles are corrupted and verses are added or changed or mistranslated, etc.
In the end, we have to be taught by the Holy Spirit and that is what I have sought for so many years and I believe that many Christians have also been taught by the Holy Spirit and there is only one truth about things and we should be able to find unity with the early church fathers and not disunity.
I am finding a great deal of unity and I am happy about that.
Press on Pierre.
Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 14 2010,09:42) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 13 2010,00:08) Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 13 2010,22:23) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2010,22:42) KATHY YEA ,i have to agree with mike on this one,the fact that you ask to read it many times over and over ,why ? you have intoxicate your self with the poison of lies ,WE ONLY HAVE TO WORSHIP GOD ,
Pierre
Pierre,If God had been giving me understanding and then I find a Christian leader that lived long ago saying the same thing, I think that is a good indication that we were both being taught by the same spirit anyway, right?
It may seem like poison to you but it is further confirmation to me and I have to go with what I believe the Spirit has been giving me. I'm not really looking for finding new beliefs from these church fathers but looking for confirmation of what God has been giving me over the last 17 years or so since I have sought Him on the matters of the trinity. As you can see, I have found a lot of confirmation and that has been such a blessing to me. I am not wanting to teach anything new but rediscover old truths and uncover them once again. The Bible warns us against falling away from the truth which has been evident on HN as there are so many 'truths' in opposition here. I am finding a lot of much needed rest in rediscovering the old truths.
Kathyfirst i did not say that you are poison to me but that you have fill yourself with poison.
now,just to say i have study books,like Origen,St thomas aqui..Augustin,st Jerome,descartes,Voltaire,Blaise Pasquale,and those are but a few,
all what i have learn took me 15 years to clean up my brain of those men views and opinions.35 years ago i start to read only scriptures and only scriptures ,no religion views,no bible aide except for words meanings, and many night and days my mind was set on Gods word not with my ideas of the way i want him to be or do for me but the way it is written no more no less,and so no more lies,only the true word and God and me,you have no idea what God as given me in understanding,
the truth is the same 2000 years ago than today ,all those so called fore father by the churches are only there representatives or if not the churches have twisted there withings to be conform to there own believes.so I have given you the truth according to scriptures ,what you will do with it is not for me to do.
Pierre
Hi Pierre,
It's funny how we went about our search in a completely different order. You started with the church father's writings and then went to just the Bible and I started with the Bible only for years and up until this summer I was pretty clueless of the church father's writings. Our conclusions are different. I agree with much of what they write in regards to the Father begetting a Son before the ages and the Holy Spirit being 'of' Him. You have come to the conclusion that their writings have been twisted around or are the church's representatives.Actually, I see the early father's speaking of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit in a slightly different way than the current teachings of the church and so I do not think that the church has corrupted their writings as a whole. I don't assume that all the writings are beyond corruption but many here believe that our Bibles are corrupted and verses are added or changed or mistranslated, etc.
In the end, we have to be taught by the Holy Spirit and that is what I have sought for so many years and I believe that many Christians have also been taught by the Holy Spirit and there is only one truth about things and we should be able to find unity with the early church fathers and not disunity.
I am finding a great deal of unity and I am happy about that.
Press on Pierre.
Kathyyou are mostly right ,but the truth of god never changes,it is our understanding that increases;
you right when you say we have to guided by Gods spirit to be able to have true understanding,it does not really matters for the little misses and twisting of some of Gods word ,the spirit of God fix that,
and now ,there was no unity in the early church near the end of the apostle's lives,
and i do not see any after that time,and this is how we are separated by the angels ,they can see who is who ,Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”
this will be done with at the end ,this is our quest ,we all have to answer it.
so keep watching yourself
Pierre
Hi Kathi! I was reading some of your Post and I want to ask you why is it important to you to read our Forefathers view? Some if not most believe in the trinity don't they? At least I was always under that impression…St. Augustine or St. Anthony those are the ones i used to read all the time when I was in the Catholic Church….. I believe that St. Anthony has some good advice when it comes to raising a Family, but other then that, doctrines He believes like the Catholics Church does. So I am wondering those that You mentioned, are they believe in the trinity??? Peace Irene
Hi Irene,
Do you remember the great commission that Christ gave to the disciples…to go into the world teaching them and baptizing them? Well, would you agree that they obeyed that commission? It was very important for the teaching of Christ to continue on and I have found it very interesting as to their perspective on things like the Son being the 'firstborn of all creation' and when He was begotten, before the ages, etc. I am finding that most believe that the Son and the Spirit were within the Father before they were 'begotten' (the Son) or proceeded forth (the Spirit). I am discovering that the early 'trinity' of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are different than the contemporary 'trinity' of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I am finding a lot of unity with the earlier trinity where the Father is the one true unbegotten God and the Son and Holy Spirit were 'of' Him. The Son is considered the begotten God and the Spirit is considered well, the Spirit of God.Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 13 2010,11:52) Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 14 2010,09:42) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 13 2010,00:08) Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 13 2010,22:23) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2010,22:42) KATHY YEA ,i have to agree with mike on this one,the fact that you ask to read it many times over and over ,why ? you have intoxicate your self with the poison of lies ,WE ONLY HAVE TO WORSHIP GOD ,
Pierre
Pierre,If God had been giving me understanding and then I find a Christian leader that lived long ago saying the same thing, I think that is a good indication that we were both being taught by the same spirit anyway, right?
It may seem like poison to you but it is further confirmation to me and I have to go with what I believe the Spirit has been giving me. I'm not really looking for finding new beliefs from these church fathers but looking for confirmation of what God has been giving me over the last 17 years or so since I have sought Him on the matters of the trinity. As you can see, I have found a lot of confirmation and that has been such a blessing to me. I am not wanting to teach anything new but rediscover old truths and uncover them once again. The Bible warns us against falling away from the truth which has been evident on HN as there are so many 'truths' in opposition here. I am finding a lot of much needed rest in rediscovering the old truths.
Kathyfirst i did not say that you are poison to me but that you have fill yourself with poison.
now,just to say i have study books,like Origen,St thomas aqui..Augustin,st Jerome,descartes,Voltaire,Blaise Pasquale,and those are but a few,
all what i have learn took me 15 years to clean up my brain of those men views and opinions.35 years ago i start to read only scriptures and only scriptures ,no religion views,no bible aide except for words meanings, and many night and days my mind was set on Gods word not with my ideas of the way i want him to be or do for me but the way it is written no more no less,and so no more lies,only the true word and God and me,you have no idea what God as given me in understanding,
the truth is the same 2000 years ago than today ,all those so called fore father by the churches are only there representatives or if not the churches have twisted there withings to be conform to there own believes.so I have given you the truth according to scriptures ,what you will do with it is not for me to do.
Pierre
Hi Pierre,
It's funny how we went about our search in a completely different order. You started with the church father's writings and then went to just the Bible and I started with the Bible only for years and up until this summer I was pretty clueless of the church father's writings. Our conclusions are different. I agree with much of what they write in regards to the Father begetting a Son before the ages and the Holy Spirit being 'of' Him. You have come to the conclusion that their writings have been twisted around or are the church's representatives.Actually, I see the early father's speaking of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit in a slightly different way than the current teachings of the church and so I do not think that the church has corrupted their writings as a whole. I don't assume that all the writings are beyond corruption but many here believe that our Bibles are corrupted and verses are added or changed or mistranslated, etc.
In the end, we have to be taught by the Holy Spirit and that is what I have sought for so many years and I believe that many Christians have also been taught by the Holy Spirit and there is only one truth about things and we should be able to find unity with the early church fathers and not disunity.
I am finding a great deal of unity and I am happy about that.
Press on Pierre.
Kathyyou are mostly right ,but the truth of god never changes,it is our understanding that increases;
you right when you say we have to guided by Gods spirit to be able to have true understanding,it does not really matters for the little misses and twisting of some of Gods word ,the spirit of God fix that,
and now ,there was no unity in the early church near the end of the apostle's lives,
and i do not see any after that time,and this is how we are separated by the angels ,they can see who is who ,Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”
this will be done with at the end ,this is our quest ,we all have to answer it.
so keep watching yourself
Pierre
Hi Pierre,
I am seeing unity among the early church fathers.Kathy
Hi Pierre,
I am seeing unity among the early church fathers;;;WITCH ONE
???FROM THE APOSTASY?Pierre
Shimmer, did you write what you wrote? It was wonderful.
It's a pity others were tied up with themselves to acknowledge it.
Don't despair, I noticed it and acknowledge it…and more importantly, God has noticed it…and noticed you, also!
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