Does god procreate?

[terraricca]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 09 2010,16:16)

Pierre, I don't know if we are told if the angels were made in God's image and we know that originally satan was an angel.  I know man is made in God's image and that the Son of God IS God's image. Col 1:15 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. NASU So, I wouldn't exactly say that Christ reflects God's image but that He IS God's image as in the above verse.  The Son is also the exact representation of God's nature and the radiance of His glory. Heb 1:3-4 3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they. NASU

Kathi

you did not understand my previous quote .Satan versus Christ= both are spirits but one reflect God s nature,
what is God nature you may ask?
well it is simple Gods is love,God is righteous,God is true, God is truth, God is holy, God is good,God is just,God is wise,God as knowledge byon all other knowledge,God is powerful,God is alone God,God is our father;;;;;;;;;IS NOT JESUS ALIKE IS FATHER??YES HE IS ..SO IT IS TRUE THAT CHRIST AS THE SAME NATURE THAN HIS FATHER…

Pierre

AND SATAN THE OPPOSITE??

[terraricca]

hi Kathi

i miss this to say;;that is why Jesus is rightfully the son of is father,and he made his father known to men.

Pierre

[Lightenup]

Yes Pierre,
I think we agree that the only begotten Son of God who became Jesus is truly God's own Son and also His only Son.

[terraricca]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 09 2010,16:43)

Yes Pierre, I think we agree that the only begotten Son of God who became Jesus is truly God's own Son and also His only Son.

Kathi

thank you and may the God of Christ bless us both to keep looking for the truth.

Pierre

[Lightenup]

Regarding that which are called gods (things made and created) compared to that which is called God (has the nature of God and not created or made) from the writings of Addeaus the apostle:

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Flee, then, from things made and created, as I said to you, which are only called gods in name, whilst they are not gods in their nature; and draw near to this Being, who in His nature is God from everlasting and from eternity, and is not something made, like your idols, nor is He a creature and a work of art, like those images in which ye glory. Because, although this Being put on a body, yet is He God with His Father.

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Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 08 2010,17:51)

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 09 2010,16:43) Yes Pierre, I think we agree that the only begotten Son of God who became Jesus is truly God's own Son and also His only Son. Kathi thank you and may the God of Christ bless us both to keep looking for the truth. Pierre

Yes Pierre, bless you and may we both grow in further knowledge of the Son.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 08 2010,21:45)

Also, “Does God procreate” ? Well, scripture doesnt say, does it ?

Hi Shimmer,

Scripture says God begot a Son. That is the same as saying God procreated a Son.

mike

[shimmer]

Um, Mike,

64.29% say no, God does not procreate,
35.71% say yes, God does procreate……….(out of 10 votes !)

I really don't know.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 08 2010,18:39)

Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 08 2010,21:45) Also, “Does God procreate” ? Well, scripture doesnt say, does it ? Hi Shimmer, Scripture says God begot a Son.  That is the same as saying God procreated a Son. mike

Does beget always mean procreate?

I didn't think so!

WJ

[terraricca]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 09 2010,16:55)

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 08 2010,17:51) Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 09 2010,16:43) Yes Pierre, I think we agree that the only begotten Son of God who became Jesus is truly God's own Son and also His only Son. Kathi thank you and may the God of Christ bless us both to keep looking for the truth. Pierre Yes Pierre, bless you and may we both grow in further knowledge of the Son.

kathi

we only have to grow in the knowledge of God s will,the son does Gods will,

Jn 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

so trough Christ we can learn Gods will.

Pierre

[shimmer]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 10 2010,06:58)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 08 2010,18:39) Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 08 2010,21:45) Also, “Does God procreate” ? Well, scripture doesnt say, does it ? Hi Shimmer, Scripture says God begot a Son.  That is the same as saying God procreated a Son. mike Does beget always mean procreate? I didn't think so! WJ

That's what I was going to say,

Hope your move went/goes well WJ, I moved last week, I hate moving house, new neighbours (I liked my old one's), new place (I liked the old again), settling in is never easy, oh well,

[shimmer]

Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 09 2010,10:06)

Hi Shimmer, Welcome back. Maybe the stake in my eye … I see my error. Thank you for showing me. To respond, though – See SF's response – this sums it up nicely. Such hope of the revelation and the reality are much welcomed. Too often I see two people debating a point with counter intuitive reasoning – too close in to see that they one is saying “I” and the other is saying “Eye” and both right in themselves for their view point but completely lacking any possibility of convergence to satisfactory agreement. if they had only stopped to define what they both meant then perhaps the debate would take a different, more agreeable path, maybe! As for the Muslim, when two people are arguing – they often don't realise how much they repeat the same point over and over – that's why there is such things as Mediation where a third party can derail the circular one track argument or set the train of disagreement into a siding and blow off some steam – toot – toooooot – toot  tooooooooottt!!! Seek the DEFINITION Before the argument starts to kick off because it will be hard to check oneself once that train is in full moment under full steam heading downwards to destructiveness in a buffer. Good to see you askin' – Just, though!

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Good to see you askin' – Just, though!

JA, what is the point in asking ? When theres so many opinions ? What does The Father want us to know ? That is the question.

Does He want us to know anything but what is in scripture ? Why do you think God works with people by leading them to scripture and speaking to them through it ? I have no need to ask you or anyone anything because when I have 'moments' where God shows me things, it is through scripture, or 'revelation', and when I'm in those moments I have clear understanding most of the time as to what it means, then at other times there is nothing (like at the moment) so I would rather wait for God than push things to my own or others understanding. I could ask you or anyone else something, you give me your answer, but that's your answer…then again, sometimes it would be easier to trust what someone else say's, to believe and to follow and trust them, human nature, but does that person have the truth ?  

So, what would God have us know ? Rather, what would God have us DO, The Testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy, theres a question for you, what does that mean ?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 09 2010,19:55)

Um, Mike, 64.29% say no, God does not procreate, 35.71% say yes, God does procreate……….(out of 10 votes !) I really don't know.

Hi Shimmer,

I think when people see the word “procreate”, they imagine a male and a female having sexual intercourse to produce an offspring.  I think that's why some people here voted “NO”.  But here's what “procreate” means:

pro·cre·ate   /ˈproʊkriˌeɪt/  Show Spelled [proh-kree-eyt]  Show IPA verb, -at·ed, -at·ing.  
–verb (used with object)
1. to beget or generate (offspring).
2. to produce; bring into being.
–verb (used without object)
3. to beget offspring.
4. to produce; bring into being.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/procreate

It just means to produce offspring.  Scriptures say that Jesus is God only begotten Son, and Psalm 2:7 has God saying, “Today I have begotten you”, so apparently God “produced offspring” by the name of Jesus.

According to the scriptures, the answer to Keith's question is an undeniable “YES”, but like I said, people think it has to do with a male and a female, so I think that's why many voted “NO” here.

In fact, I bet if someone re-posted the same poll with the actual definition of what “procreated” means in the first post, the results would show that only 2 regulars on HN – Keith and Jack – would vote yes. Because whatever else the rest of us disagree on, we ALL seem to think that Jesus was caused to exist by his God at one point or another. And “caused to exist” is really all “procreate” means.

mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 10 2010,05:58)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 08 2010,18:39) Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 08 2010,21:45) Also, “Does God procreate” ? Well, scripture doesnt say, does it ? Hi Shimmer, Scripture says God begot a Son.  That is the same as saying God procreated a Son. mike Does beget always mean procreate? I didn't think so! WJ

Sure it does Keith.  It's just that sometimes the word is used figuratively.  Like when Paul “beget” Onesimus, Paul became his “father”.  Paul FIGURATIVELY procreated Onesimus, right?

Now all you need to do is find that one little scripture that implies that the word “begot” was FIGURATIVELY used in referrence to Jesus.  And if you find that scripture, you'll have to figure out which FIGURATIVE defintion fits best for what God did to Jesus.  Aside from the literal “caused to exist”, you only have these three to choose from:

1.  to engender, cause to arise, excite
2.  in a Jewish sense, of one who brings others over to his
way of life, to convert someone
3.  of God making men his sons through faith in Christ's work

These are the “metaphoric” uses of the word “gennao”.  Which one do YOU think applies to what God did to Jesus, Keith?

mike

[Lightenup]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 09 2010,15:15)

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 09 2010,16:55) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 08 2010,17:51) Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 09 2010,16:43) Yes Pierre, I think we agree that the only begotten Son of God who became Jesus is truly God's own Son and also His only Son. Kathi thank you and may the God of Christ bless us both to keep looking for the truth. Pierre Yes Pierre, bless you and may we both grow in further knowledge of the Son.   kathi we only have to grow in the knowledge of God s will,the son does Gods will, Jn 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. so trough Christ we can learn Gods will. Pierre

Pierre,
I think you ought to read this closely:

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Eph 4:10-16 10 He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, so that He might fill all things.) 11 And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; 13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ. 14 As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming; 15 but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ, 16 from whom the whole body, being fitted and held together by what every joint supplies, according to the proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love. NASU

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 09 2010,19:10)

Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 09 2010,19:55) Um, Mike, 64.29% say no, God does not procreate, 35.71% say yes, God does procreate……….(out of 10 votes !) I really don't know. Hi Shimmer, I think when people see the word “procreate”, they imagine a male and a female having sexual intercourse to produce an offspring.  I think that's why some people here voted “NO”.  But here's what “procreate” means: pro·cre·ate   /ˈproʊkriˌeɪt/  Show Spelled [proh-kree-eyt]  Show IPA verb, -at·ed, -at·ing.   –verb (used with object) 1. to beget or generate (offspring). 2. to produce; bring into being. –verb (used without object) 3. to beget offspring. 4. to produce; bring into being. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/procreate It just means to produce offspring.  Scriptures say that Jesus is God only begotten Son, and Psalm 2:7 has God saying, “Today I have begotten you”, so apparently God “produced offspring” by the name of Jesus. According to the scriptures, the answer to Keith's question is an undeniable “YES”, but like I said, people think it has to do with a male and a female, so I think that's why many voted “NO” here. In fact, I bet if someone re-posted the same poll with the actual definition of what “procreated” means in the first post, the results would show that only 2 regulars on HN – Keith and Jack – would vote yes.  Because whatever else the rest of us disagree on, we ALL seem to think that Jesus was caused to exist by his God at one point or another.  And “caused to exist” is really all “procreate” means. mike

Mike,
I think you are right, if that definition was presented in the first post there would be different results.

To those who believe that God did beget/procreate His Son before the ages, what was the Son before He was begotten?

[terraricca]

Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 10 2010,20:47)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 09 2010,19:10) Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 09 2010,19:55) Um, Mike, 64.29% say no, God does not procreate, 35.71% say yes, God does procreate……….(out of 10 votes !) I really don't know. Hi Shimmer, I think when people see the word “procreate”, they imagine a male and a female having sexual intercourse to produce an offspring.  I think that's why some people here voted “NO”.  But here's what “procreate” means: pro·cre·ate   /ˈproʊkriˌeɪt/  Show Spelled [proh-kree-eyt]  Show IPA verb, -at·ed, -at·ing.   –verb (used with object) 1. to beget or generate (offspring). 2. to produce; bring into being. –verb (used without object) 3. to beget offspring. 4. to produce; bring into being. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/procreate It just means to produce offspring.  Scriptures say that Jesus is God only begotten Son, and Psalm 2:7 has God saying, “Today I have begotten you”, so apparently God “produced offspring” by the name of Jesus. According to the scriptures, the answer to Keith's question is an undeniable “YES”, but like I said, people think it has to do with a male and a female, so I think that's why many voted “NO” here. In fact, I bet if someone re-posted the same poll with the actual definition of what “procreated” means in the first post, the results would show that only 2 regulars on HN – Keith and Jack – would vote yes.  Because whatever else the rest of us disagree on, we ALL seem to think that Jesus was caused to exist by his God at one point or another.  And “caused to exist” is really all “procreate” means. mike Mike, I think you are right, if that definition was presented in the first post there would be different results. To those who believe that God did beget/procreate His Son before the ages, what was the Son before He was begotten?

kathi

why not ask what was Gos before he became God ?
if he ever became God.

the son became son of God when God create/made/beget/ect;him.

as for the knowledge of the son of God,-what do you think Paul means by that ??

Pierre

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2010,11:24)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 10 2010,05:58) Does beget always mean procreate? I didn't think so! WJ Sure it does Keith.  It's just that sometimes the word is used figuratively.  Like when Paul “beget” Onesimus, Paul became his “father”.  Paul FIGURATIVELY procreated Onesimus, right? Now all you need to do is find that one little scripture that implies that the word “begot” was FIGURATIVELY used in referrence to Jesus.   mike

Hi Mike,

That's what BD keeps saying, (he has yet to produce any)
while at the same time continually denying Jesus' crucifixion.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[shimmer]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2010,12:10)

Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 09 2010,19:55) Um, Mike, 64.29% say no, God does not procreate, 35.71% say yes, God does procreate……….(out of 10 votes !) I really don't know. Hi Shimmer, I think when people see the word “procreate”, they imagine a male and a female having sexual intercourse to produce an offspring.  I think that's why some people here voted “NO”.  But here's what “procreate” means: pro·cre·ate   /ˈproʊkriˌeɪt/  Show Spelled [proh-kree-eyt]  Show IPA verb, -at·ed, -at·ing.   –verb (used with object) 1. to beget or generate (offspring). 2. to produce; bring into being. –verb (used without object) 3. to beget offspring. 4. to produce; bring into being. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/procreate It just means to produce offspring.  Scriptures say that Jesus is God only begotten Son, and Psalm 2:7 has God saying, “Today I have begotten you”, so apparently God “produced offspring” by the name of Jesus. According to the scriptures, the answer to Keith's question is an undeniable “YES”, but like I said, people think it has to do with a male and a female, so I think that's why many voted “NO” here. In fact, I bet if someone re-posted the same poll with the actual definition of what “procreated” means in the first post, the results would show that only 2 regulars on HN – Keith and Jack – would vote yes.  Because whatever else the rest of us disagree on, we ALL seem to think that Jesus was caused to exist by his God at one point or another.  And “caused to exist” is really all “procreate” means. mike

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Scriptures say that Jesus is God only begotten Son, and Psalm 2:7 has God saying, “Today I have begotten you”, so apparently God “produced offspring” by the name of Jesus.

Acts 13:13…
“God hath in full completed this to us their children, having raised up Jesus, as also in the second Psalm it hath been written, My Son thou art — I to-day have begotten thee“.

As written in Psalms….I today have begotten thee, the day being as it say's, having raised up Jesus.

I believe Jesus was a Man, though concieved of the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit came to dwell in Him, Maybe this happened at conception, or maybe when the Spirit was seen descending on Him at the River Jordan, I dont know.

What existed before then was the Holy Spirit, what is the Holy Spirit ? It either is God, is Part of God, Is from God, or as in Hermas is called The Son of God.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 10 2010,03:43)

Acts 13:13… “God hath in full completed this to us their children, having raised up Jesus, as also in the second Psalm it hath been written, My Son thou art — I to-day have begotten thee“. As written in Psalms….I today have begotten thee, the day being as it say's, having raised up Jesus.

Hi Shimmer

Exactly! But they do not want to believe what that scripture says just like they do not believe these…

So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. Heb 5:5

So when was Jesus made High Priest? It had to be after he came in the flesh. The context of this scripture is about Jesus in the flesh.

For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? Heb 1:5

Why is the Father saying “I WILL BE to him a Father and HE SHALL BE to me a Son”?

Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Pss 2:6, 7

When did Jesus sit upon the Holy hill? The Holy Hill is refering to the dwelling place of God.

This scripture cannot mean he was begotten before the ages or time because it says he is begotten on a day.

But these facts they refuse to believe and keep making the same claim that there is no scripture that says Jesus was DECLARED to be the Son of God, the Only Begotten by the Father and has nothing to do with “procreation” by birth but by his right.

WJ

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