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Thanks Mike,
I believe that #1 and #2 are not calling the Son a creature but the foundation through which creatures were created.
#3. I believe that the Father AND the Son are together our creator. We are to worship the creator and both are our creator.So we don't have a Creator, like scripture says? We have Creators?
And your forgot the first question in my last post.
And as far as #1 and #2, you are basically just “understanding” the Greek words to “mean” whatever meaning fits best with your doctrine then, right?
So let's bring this down to the brass tacks Kathi. Whether God begot, created, spawned or waved a “magic fairy wand” and poofed him into existence, the fact is that God “CAUSED JESUS TO EXIST”, right?
We are to worship the One who CAUSED TO EXIST, not anyone or anything that WAS CAUSED TO EXIST.
mike
Mike,
I asked for one question, you gave me two, I answered one. I didn't forget, you forgot that I just wanted one question at a time.Quote So let's bring this down to the brass tacks Kathi. Whether God begot, created, spawned or waved a “magic fairy wand” and poofed him into existence, the fact is that God “CAUSED JESUS TO EXIST”, right? Actually He always existed as I understand it, first in a pre-begotten sense (within God) and then in a begotten sense (with God). So, I don't think that there was a time when He was not, just that there was a time when He was yet begotten. If He always existed within God before He was begotten and that which always existed is God, then we have the 'pre-begotten God in God' who becomes the 'begotten God of God.'
I think we are supposed to think of the Son and the Holy Spirit as 'attributes' of the one God.
attribute: n. at·tri·bute (tr-byt)
1. A quality or characteristic inherent in or ascribed to someone or something.
2. An object associated with and serving to identify a character, personage, or officeWhen you think of God, do you think of the God who has wisdom, might, power, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, and self-control, etc? Do you worship the God who has attributes or doesn't have attributes. Consider the Son and the Holy Spirit attributes 'of' God. Probably His most personal attributes.
Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 07 2010,09:39) Mike,
I asked for one question, you gave me two, I answered one. I didn't forget, you forgot that I just wanted one question at a time.Quote So let's bring this down to the brass tacks Kathi. Whether God begot, created, spawned or waved a “magic fairy wand” and poofed him into existence, the fact is that God “CAUSED JESUS TO EXIST”, right? Actually He always existed as I understand it, first in a pre-begotten sense (within God) and then in a begotten sense (with God). So, I don't think that there was a time when He was not, just that there was a time when He was yet begotten. If He always existed within God before He was begotten and that which always existed is God, then we have the 'pre-begotten God in God' who becomes the 'begotten God of God.'
I think we are supposed to think of the Son and the Holy Spirit as 'attributes' of the one God.
attribute: n. at·tri·bute (tr-byt)
1. A quality or characteristic inherent in or ascribed to someone or something.
2. An object associated with and serving to identify a character, personage, or officeWhen you think of God, do you think of the God who has wisdom, might, power, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, and self-control, etc? Do you worship the God who has attributes or doesn't have attributes. Consider the Son and the Holy Spirit attributes 'of' God. Probably His most personal attributes.
man we agree so much…
wow all this time Lu,
lol!!!Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 06 2010,08:25) Quote (Baker @ Sep. 06 2010,07:11) There is only one Scripture that I know of were He is called the Almighty one and that is in Rev.
Hi Irene,There is no scripture where Jesus is called “Almighty”. None at all.
mike
Mike! Yes there is !!! I am trying to find that Scripture and I will get back with you about it….Georg and I both think that it is an error and that it was added….. It is in Rev. Peace IreneIsaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.Everlasting- Hebrew Olam: an Era or period of time.
Here you go Mike and JA and anyone that ought to know if the early church worshiped the Son along with the Father.
This webpage is an incredible account of a Christian bishop around 100 AD, that confronted a high priest of idols who then renounced what he had been doing and turned to Christ. The story is amazing as it reveals the incredible strength of his confession and persecution of the same (this guy has the courage of many men because of the presence of God now in his life):
Quote If thou be willing to hearken to me, abandon idols made, and worship God the Maker of all things, and His Son Jesus Christ. Do not, because He put on a body and became man and was stretched out on the cross of death, be ashamed of Him and refuse to worship Him: for, all these things which He endured—it was for the salvation of men and for their deliverance. For this One who put on a body is God, the Son of God, Son of the essence of His Father, and Son of the nature of Him who begat Him: for He is the adorable brightness of His Godhead, and is the glorious manifestation of His majesty, and together with His Father He existed from eternity and from everlasting, His arm, and His right hand, and His power, and His wisdom, and His strength, and the living Spirit which is from Him, the Expiator and Sanctifier of all His worshippers. These are the things which Palut taught us, with whom thy venerable self was acquainted; and thou knowest that Palut was the disciple of Addæus the apostle. Abgar the king also, who was older than this Abgar, who himself worshippeth idols as well as thou, he too believed in the King Christ, the Son of Him whom thou callest Lord of all the gods. For it is forbidden to Christians to worship anything that is made, and is a creature, and in its nature is not God: even as ye worship idols made by men, who themselves also are made and created. Be persuaded, therefore, by these things which I have said to thee, which things are the belief of the Church: for I know that all this population are looking to thee, and I am well assured that, if thou be persuaded, many also will persuaded with thee http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf08.ix.ix.i.html
I encourage you to read not only the excerpt but the record of the persecution. This guy Sharbil was not one bit afraid to worship the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit even though he was only days old in the Lord. Amazing!
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 14 2010,09:31) Hi All. It is claimed by some that an infinite God can reproduce himself. In fact some claim that God reproduced “a God” that is co-equal to him except in age.
Others claim that God reproduced out of his own body a creature that is not God, but something else, while claiming that this creature is Gods “Only Begotten Son”.
It is my contention that Jesus is called “the Son of God” and given that title most assuredly after his birth as a man. (Luke 1:35) This is a scriptural fact.
Also, Jesus is declared to be the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead. (Rom 1:4) This is also a scriptural fact.
The decree was made by the Father after his resurrection “Thou art my Son, This day I have begotten you”… (Heb 1:5 – Pss 2:7 – Acts 13:33 – Heb 5:5) This is also a scriptural fact.
It doesn't take a scholar to easily see that for the Father to say “Thou art my Son” and then say “This day I have begotten you” would be a redundant statement if he was not already a Son before the Father said “This day I have begotten thee”.
This day is a point in time, yet those who make the claim that Pss 2:7 is about his beginning before the ages or time contradicts them and their claim is obviously flawed.
There is no scripture which unambiguously claims Jesus had a beginning before the ages or time, but only a couple of scriptures that can be twisted and misinterpreted to support their claim. Conjecture is not facts. The scriptures read in their rightful context are fact.
What say you?
WJ
WJyou say;There is no scripture which unambiguously claims Jesus had a beginning before the ages or time, but only a couple of scriptures that can be twisted and misinterpreted to support their claim. Conjecture is not facts. The scriptures read in their rightful context are fact.
IN THE SAME SENTENCE YOU CREATE A DELIMA ,YOU FIGURE THAT THE SCRIPTURES YOU HOLD FOR YOU VIEW IS GOOD AND THE ONES WHO DO NOT YOU CLAIM THEM TO BE FUTIL,
IS THID CALLED CORUPTION AND DECIET,??ANYWAY God does not procreate he create ,if you could understand that the universe was created and now with the HUBBEL telescope we can see in space and what do we see?
stars ,in construction,in destruction,we see solar systems in formation young and old,God has no time limits,and he does not need anything,he is complete by himself,LOVE is the driving force of God ,if only you could understand that ,
your line of question is so useless ,you must be bored to dead about looking for the truth of God,
that now you start looking in the gutter for answers about nothing,vanity,vanity all is vanity
Pierre
Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 08 2010,15:48) Here you go Mike and JA and anyone that ought to know if the early church worshiped the Son along with the Father. This webpage is an incredible account of a Christian bishop around 100 AD, that confronted a high priest of idols who then renounced what he had been doing and turned to Christ. The story is amazing as it reveals the incredible strength of his confession and persecution of the same (this guy has the courage of many men because of the presence of God now in his life):
Quote If thou be willing to hearken to me, abandon idols made, and worship God the Maker of all things, and His Son Jesus Christ. Do not, because He put on a body and became man and was stretched out on the cross of death, be ashamed of Him and refuse to worship Him: for, all these things which He endured—it was for the salvation of men and for their deliverance. For this One who put on a body is God, the Son of God, Son of the essence of His Father, and Son of the nature of Him who begat Him: for He is the adorable brightness of His Godhead, and is the glorious manifestation of His majesty, and together with His Father He existed from eternity and from everlasting, His arm, and His right hand, and His power, and His wisdom, and His strength, and the living Spirit which is from Him, the Expiator and Sanctifier of all His worshippers. These are the things which Palut taught us, with whom thy venerable self was acquainted; and thou knowest that Palut was the disciple of Addæus the apostle. Abgar the king also, who was older than this Abgar, who himself worshippeth idols as well as thou, he too believed in the King Christ, the Son of Him whom thou callest Lord of all the gods. For it is forbidden to Christians to worship anything that is made, and is a creature, and in its nature is not God: even as ye worship idols made by men, who themselves also are made and created. Be persuaded, therefore, by these things which I have said to thee, which things are the belief of the Church: for I know that all this population are looking to thee, and I am well assured that, if thou be persuaded, many also will persuaded with thee http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf08.ix.ix.i.html
I encourage you to read not only the excerpt but the record of the persecution. This guy Sharbil was not one bit afraid to worship the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit even though he was only days old in the Lord. Amazing!
Kathiyou say;;This webpage is an incredible account of a Christian bishop around 100 AD, that confronted a high priest of idols who
on the internet ;In the fifteenth year of the Sovereign Ruler31493149 Αὐτοκράτωρ .—Tr. Trajan Cæsar,31503150 That is, a.d. 112. But the Greek era commences 311 or 312 b.c., and therefore a.g. 416 would answer to a.d. 105. There appears to be some error in the date. and in the third year of King Abgar the Seventh,31513151 The king reigning in the fifteenth year of Trajan was Maanu Bar Ajazath, the seventh king of Edessa after Abgar the Black. which is the year 416 of the kingdom of Alexander king of the Greeks, and in the priesthood of Sharbil and Barsamya,31523152 It would thus appear that Paganism and Christianity were tolerated together in Edessa at this time, equal honour being attributed to the head of each religious party. Cf. Teaching of Addæus, p. 661: “Neither did King Abgar compel any man by force to believe in Christ.” Trajan Cæsar commanded
this is not a truty document.to say the least
Pierre
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 14 2010,09:31) Hi All. It is claimed by some that an infinite God can reproduce himself. In fact some claim that God reproduced “a God” that is co-equal to him except in age.
Others claim that God reproduced out of his own body a creature that is not God, but something else, while claiming that this creature is Gods “Only Begotten Son”.
It is my contention that Jesus is called “the Son of God” and given that title most assuredly after his birth as a man. (Luke 1:35) This is a scriptural fact.
Also, Jesus is declared to be the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead. (Rom 1:4) This is also a scriptural fact.
The decree was made by the Father after his resurrection “Thou art my Son, This day I have begotten you”… (Heb 1:5 – Pss 2:7 – Acts 13:33 – Heb 5:5) This is also a scriptural fact.
It doesn't take a scholar to easily see that for the Father to say “Thou art my Son” and then say “This day I have begotten you” would be a redundant statement if he was not already a Son before the Father said “This day I have begotten thee”.
This day is a point in time, yet those who make the claim that Pss 2:7 is about his beginning before the ages or time contradicts them and their claim is obviously flawed.
There is no scripture which unambiguously claims Jesus had a beginning before the ages or time, but only a couple of scriptures that can be twisted and misinterpreted to support their claim. Conjecture is not facts. The scriptures read in their rightful context are fact.
What say you?
WJ
Hi TQuote (terraricca @ Sep. 07 2010,17:14) ANYWAY God does not procreate he create…
Thank you, so you agree with me, but wait in the same paragraph you say…Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 07 2010,17:14) IN THE SAME SENTENCE YOU CREATE A DELIMA ,YOU FIGURE THAT THE SCRIPTURES YOU HOLD FOR YOU VIEW IS GOOD AND THE ONES WHO DO NOT YOU CLAIM THEM TO BE FUTIL,
IS THID CALLED CORUPTION AND DECIET,??
But I thought you agreed with me? You seem confused.Then of course you can't make a post without your normal vomiting and spewing out of accusations and criticisms, do you have the Spirit of God in you?
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 07 2010,17:14) your line of question is so useless ,you must be bored to dead about looking for the truth of God, that now you start looking in the gutter for answers about nothing,vanity,vanity all is vanity
Like I said before “T”, you know nothing of my relationship with my Lord and God and you are not my judge.If you don't agree then show me why you don't agree by scripture otherwise stop with the lame accusations and condemnations.
WJ
HI All
I am in the process of moving and am really busy. Also my internet has been turned off until we move. This is the reason I havn't been posting much lately but hope to be back soon after we get settled.
Blessings Keith
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 07 2010,17:35) Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 08 2010,15:48) Here you go Mike and JA and anyone that ought to know if the early church worshiped the Son along with the Father. This webpage is an incredible account of a Christian bishop around 100 AD, that confronted a high priest of idols who then renounced what he had been doing and turned to Christ. The story is amazing as it reveals the incredible strength of his confession and persecution of the same (this guy has the courage of many men because of the presence of God now in his life):
Quote If thou be willing to hearken to me, abandon idols made, and worship God the Maker of all things, and His Son Jesus Christ. Do not, because He put on a body and became man and was stretched out on the cross of death, be ashamed of Him and refuse to worship Him: for, all these things which He endured—it was for the salvation of men and for their deliverance. For this One who put on a body is God, the Son of God, Son of the essence of His Father, and Son of the nature of Him who begat Him: for He is the adorable brightness of His Godhead, and is the glorious manifestation of His majesty, and together with His Father He existed from eternity and from everlasting, His arm, and His right hand, and His power, and His wisdom, and His strength, and the living Spirit which is from Him, the Expiator and Sanctifier of all His worshippers. These are the things which Palut taught us, with whom thy venerable self was acquainted; and thou knowest that Palut was the disciple of Addæus the apostle. Abgar the king also, who was older than this Abgar, who himself worshippeth idols as well as thou, he too believed in the King Christ, the Son of Him whom thou callest Lord of all the gods. For it is forbidden to Christians to worship anything that is made, and is a creature, and in its nature is not God: even as ye worship idols made by men, who themselves also are made and created. Be persuaded, therefore, by these things which I have said to thee, which things are the belief of the Church: for I know that all this population are looking to thee, and I am well assured that, if thou be persuaded, many also will persuaded with thee http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf08.ix.ix.i.html
I encourage you to read not only the excerpt but the record of the persecution. This guy Sharbil was not one bit afraid to worship the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit even though he was only days old in the Lord. Amazing!
Kathiyou say;;This webpage is an incredible account of a Christian bishop around 100 AD, that confronted a high priest of idols who
on the internet ;In the fifteenth year of the Sovereign Ruler31493149 Αὐτοκράτωρ .—Tr. Trajan Cæsar,31503150 That is, a.d. 112. But the Greek era commences 311 or 312 b.c., and therefore a.g. 416 would answer to a.d. 105. There appears to be some error in the date. and in the third year of King Abgar the Seventh,31513151 The king reigning in the fifteenth year of Trajan was Maanu Bar Ajazath, the seventh king of Edessa after Abgar the Black. which is the year 416 of the kingdom of Alexander king of the Greeks, and in the priesthood of Sharbil and Barsamya,31523152 It would thus appear that Paganism and Christianity were tolerated together in Edessa at this time, equal honour being attributed to the head of each religious party. Cf. Teaching of Addæus, p. 661: “Neither did King Abgar compel any man by force to believe in Christ.” Trajan Cæsar commanded
this is not a truty document.to say the least
Pierre
Pierre,
Are you having a bad day today or something? Read the story, do you have those kind of guts and that conviction?Quote (Baker @ Sep. 08 2010,01:04) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 06 2010,08:25) Quote (Baker @ Sep. 06 2010,07:11) There is only one Scripture that I know of were He is called the Almighty one and that is in Rev.
Hi Irene,There is no scripture where Jesus is called “Almighty”. None at all.
mike
Mike! Yes there is !!! I am trying to find that Scripture and I will get back with you about it….Georg and I both think that it is an error and that it was added….. It is in Rev. Peace Irene
Happy hunting Irene!
Let me know if you find it. You say it is in Rev? Here is every mention of “Almighty” in Rev:
Revelation 1:8
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”Revelation 4:8
Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under his wings. Day and night they never stop saying: “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come.”Revelation 11:17
saying: “We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty, the One who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and have begun to reign.Revelation 15:3
and sang the song of Moses the servant of God and the song of the Lamb: “Great and marvelous are your deeds, Lord God Almighty. Just and true are your ways, King of the ages.Revelation 16:7
And I heard the altar respond: “Yes, Lord God Almighty, true and just are your judgments.”Revelation 16:14
They are spirits of demons performing miraculous signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty.Revelation 19:6
Then I heard what sounded like a great multitude, like the roar of rushing waters and like loud peals of thunder, shouting: “Hallelujah! For our Lord God Almighty reigns.Revelation 19:15
Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.” He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty.Revelation 21:22
I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.Are you thinking it is one of these?
peace and love,
mikeQuote (Lightenup @ Sep. 08 2010,08:48) This guy Sharbil was not one bit afraid to worship the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit even though he was only days old in the Lord. Amazing!
Hi Kathi,Well, there ya have it. You have effectively eliminated our need for the scriptures. Some dude named Sharbil, who probably hadn't yet read the scriptures (since he was “only days old in the Lord”) says it's okay to worship the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Hmmmmm……..I wonder where else we could find new converts to the faith that worship the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit? Oh yeah – the trinitarian churches, which mandate that you agree with the Trinity Doctrine before allowing you to become a member of their church.
Joshua 24:15 NWT
15 Now if it is bad in YOUR eyes to serve Jehovah, choose for yourselves today whom YOU will serve, whether the gods that YOUR forefathers who were on the other side of the River served or the gods of the Am′or‧ites in whose land YOU are dwelling. But as for me and my household, we shall serve Jehovah.”Worship whoever you want to Kathi. I will follow scripture and “worship Jehovah your God, and serve Him only“……just like Jesus said to.
peace and love,
mikeMike,
The words were from the Bishop and also the new convert. Btw, according to you no one better be caught being a servant of Christ. Tell that to Paul, a bondservant of Christ's.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Sep. 08 2010,16:44) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 14 2010,09:31) Hi All. It is claimed by some that an infinite God can reproduce himself. In fact some claim that God reproduced “a God” that is co-equal to him except in age.
Others claim that God reproduced out of his own body a creature that is not God, but something else, while claiming that this creature is Gods “Only Begotten Son”.
It is my contention that Jesus is called “the Son of God” and given that title most assuredly after his birth as a man. (Luke 1:35) This is a scriptural fact.
Also, Jesus is declared to be the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead. (Rom 1:4) This is also a scriptural fact.
The decree was made by the Father after his resurrection “Thou art my Son, This day I have begotten you”… (Heb 1:5 – Pss 2:7 – Acts 13:33 – Heb 5:5) This is also a scriptural fact.
It doesn't take a scholar to easily see that for the Father to say “Thou art my Son” and then say “This day I have begotten you” would be a redundant statement if he was not already a Son before the Father said “This day I have begotten thee”.
This day is a point in time, yet those who make the claim that Pss 2:7 is about his beginning before the ages or time contradicts them and their claim is obviously flawed.
There is no scripture which unambiguously claims Jesus had a beginning before the ages or time, but only a couple of scriptures that can be twisted and misinterpreted to support their claim. Conjecture is not facts. The scriptures read in their rightful context are fact.
What say you?
WJ
Hi TQuote (terraricca @ Sep. 07 2010,17:14) ANYWAY God does not procreate he create…
Thank you, so you agree with me, but wait in the same paragraph you say…Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 07 2010,17:14) IN THE SAME SENTENCE YOU CREATE A DELIMA ,YOU FIGURE THAT THE SCRIPTURES YOU HOLD FOR YOU VIEW IS GOOD AND THE ONES WHO DO NOT YOU CLAIM THEM TO BE FUTIL,
IS THID CALLED CORUPTION AND DECIET,??
But I thought you agreed with me? You seem confused.Then of course you can't make a post without your normal vomiting and spewing out of accusations and criticisms, do you have the Spirit of God in you?
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 07 2010,17:14) your line of question is so useless ,you must be bored to dead about looking for the truth of God, that now you start looking in the gutter for answers about nothing,vanity,vanity all is vanity
Like I said before “T”, you know nothing of my relationship with my Lord and God and you are not my judge.If you don't agree then show me why you don't agree by scripture otherwise stop with the lame accusations and condemnations.
WJ
WJall my answer is for your last sentence here is a copy of it;;
There is no scripture which unambiguously claims Jesus had a beginning before the ages or time, but only a couple of scriptures that can be twisted and misinterpreted to support their claim. Conjecture is not facts. The scriptures read in their rightful context are fact.so keep your remarks to yourself as your deceitful way.
Pierre
Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 08 2010,19:49) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 07 2010,17:35) Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 08 2010,15:48) Here you go Mike and JA and anyone that ought to know if the early church worshiped the Son along with the Father. This webpage is an incredible account of a Christian bishop around 100 AD, that confronted a high priest of idols who then renounced what he had been doing and turned to Christ. The story is amazing as it reveals the incredible strength of his confession and persecution of the same (this guy has the courage of many men because of the presence of God now in his life):
Quote If thou be willing to hearken to me, abandon idols made, and worship God the Maker of all things, and His Son Jesus Christ. Do not, because He put on a body and became man and was stretched out on the cross of death, be ashamed of Him and refuse to worship Him: for, all these things which He endured—it was for the salvation of men and for their deliverance. For this One who put on a body is God, the Son of God, Son of the essence of His Father, and Son of the nature of Him who begat Him: for He is the adorable brightness of His Godhead, and is the glorious manifestation of His majesty, and together with His Father He existed from eternity and from everlasting, His arm, and His right hand, and His power, and His wisdom, and His strength, and the living Spirit which is from Him, the Expiator and Sanctifier of all His worshippers. These are the things which Palut taught us, with whom thy venerable self was acquainted; and thou knowest that Palut was the disciple of Addæus the apostle. Abgar the king also, who was older than this Abgar, who himself worshippeth idols as well as thou, he too believed in the King Christ, the Son of Him whom thou callest Lord of all the gods. For it is forbidden to Christians to worship anything that is made, and is a creature, and in its nature is not God: even as ye worship idols made by men, who themselves also are made and created. Be persuaded, therefore, by these things which I have said to thee, which things are the belief of the Church: for I know that all this population are looking to thee, and I am well assured that, if thou be persuaded, many also will persuaded with thee http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf08.ix.ix.i.html
I encourage you to read not only the excerpt but the record of the persecution. This guy Sharbil was not one bit afraid to worship the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit even though he was only days old in the Lord. Amazing!
Kathiyou say;;This webpage is an incredible account of a Christian bishop around 100 AD, that confronted a high priest of idols who
on the internet ;In the fifteenth year of the Sovereign Ruler31493149 Αὐτοκράτωρ .—Tr. Trajan Cæsar,31503150 That is, a.d. 112. But the Greek era commences 311 or 312 b.c., and therefore a.g. 416 would answer to a.d. 105. There appears to be some error in the date. and in the third year of King Abgar the Seventh,31513151 The king reigning in the fifteenth year of Trajan was Maanu Bar Ajazath, the seventh king of Edessa after Abgar the Black. which is the year 416 of the kingdom of Alexander king of the Greeks, and in the priesthood of Sharbil and Barsamya,31523152 It would thus appear that Paganism and Christianity were tolerated together in Edessa at this time, equal honour being attributed to the head of each religious party. Cf. Teaching of Addæus, p. 661: “Neither did King Abgar compel any man by force to believe in Christ.” Trajan Cæsar commanded
this is not a truty document.to say the least
Pierre
Pierre,
Are you having a bad day today or something? Read the story, do you have those kind of guts and that conviction?
Kathiread this;1Pe 1:12 To whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto you, did they minister these things, which now have been announced unto you through them that preached the gospel unto you by the Holy Spirit sent forth from heaven; which things angel desire to look into.
1Pe 1:13 Wherefore girding up the loins of your mind, be sober and set your hope perfectly on the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
1Pe 1:14 as children of obedience, not fashioning yourselves according to your former lusts in the time of your ignorance:
1Pe 1:15 but like as he who called you is holy, be ye yourselves also holy in all manner of living;
1Pe 1:16 because it is written, Ye shall be holy; for I am holy.
1Pe 1:17 And if ye call on him as Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to each man's work, pass the time of your sojourning in fear:
1Pe 1:18 knowing that ye were redeemed, not with corruptible things, with silver or gold, from your vain manner of life handed down from your fathers;
1Pe 1:19 but with precious blood, as of a lamb without spot, even the blood of Christ1Pe 1:25 But the word of the Lord abideth for ever. And this is the word of good tidings which was preached unto you.
1Pe 2:1 Putting away therefore all wickedness, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,
1Pe 2:2 as newborn babes, long for the spiritual milk which is without guile, that ye may grow thereby unto salvation;
1Pe 2:3 if ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious:1Pe 3:9 not rendering evil for evil, or reviling for reviling; but contrariwise blessing; for hereunto were ye called, that ye should inherit a blessing.
1Pe 3:10 For, He that would love life, And see good days, Let him refrain his tongue from evil, And his lips that they speak no guile:
1Pe 3:11 And let him turn away from evil, and do good; Let him seek peace, and pursue it.yes i have those guts, but i have knowledge and reasons why,i have understanding of what is at stake;
so your story is not clear,time is vague,and it looks like someone copy the story of the conversion of Paul,
but forgot one thing Paul was born a Jew and he knew the scriptures but was miss guided and that was corrected on the road to Damas he also never lost his zeal for God.Pierre
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