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No Pierre,
What you've said is that if God foretells that t8's sons will deviate from the good path, it is not because God can foresee this thing happening, but because God will CAUSE this thing to happen.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 02 2014,23:07) No Pierre, What you've said is that if God foretells that t8's sons will deviate from the good path, it is not because God can foresee this thing happening, but because God will CAUSE this thing to happen.
Mikeshow me some scriptures were a common person as been foreseen by God to do anything
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 03 2014,05:04) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 02 2014,23:07) No Pierre, What you've said is that if God foretells that t8's sons will deviate from the good path, it is not because God can foresee this thing happening, but because God will CAUSE this thing to happen.
Mikeshow me some scriptures were a common person as been foreseen by God to do anything
Judas iscariot.
Jesus said. One of you will betray me.
Jesus said; the Son of man they *will* kill.
Jesus said to Peter: before the #### crows three times
;you will deny me three times.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 03 2014,06:13) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 03 2014,05:04) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 02 2014,23:07) No Pierre, What you've said is that if God foretells that t8's sons will deviate from the good path, it is not because God can foresee this thing happening, but because God will CAUSE this thing to happen.
Mikeshow me some scriptures were a common person as been foreseen by God to do anything
Judas iscariot.
Jesus said. One of you will betray me.
Jesus said; the Son of man they *will* kill.
Jesus said to Peter: before the #### crows three times
;you will deny me three times.wakeup.
when i said common I meant not chosen ones that would become the pillarsbut was Judas Iscariot name in prophecy by name
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 02 2014,12:04) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 02 2014,23:07) No Pierre, What you've said is that if God foretells that t8's sons will deviate from the good path, it is not because God can foresee this thing happening, but because God will CAUSE this thing to happen.
Mikeshow me some scriptures were a common person as been foreseen by God to do anything
Deuteronomy 31
16 And the LORD said to Moses: “You are going to rest with your ancestors, and these people will soon prostitute themselves to the foreign gods of the land they are entering. They will forsake me and break the covenant I made with them. 17 And in that day I will become angry with them and forsake them; I will hide my face from them, and they will be destroyed. Many disasters and calamities will come on them, and in that day they will ask, ‘Have not these disasters come on us because our God is not with us?’ 18 And I will certainly hide my face in that day because of all their wickedness in turning to other gods.All of those Israelites were “common people”. And God foresaw the things they would soon do.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 06 2014,07:34) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 02 2014,12:04) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 02 2014,23:07) No Pierre, What you've said is that if God foretells that t8's sons will deviate from the good path, it is not because God can foresee this thing happening, but because God will CAUSE this thing to happen.
Mikeshow me some scriptures were a common person as been foreseen by God to do anything
Deuteronomy 31
16 And the LORD said to Moses: “You are going to rest with your ancestors, and these people will soon prostitute themselves to the foreign gods of the land they are entering. They will forsake me and break the covenant I made with them. 17 And in that day I will become angry with them and forsake them; I will hide my face from them, and they will be destroyed. Many disasters and calamities will come on them, and in that day they will ask, ‘Have not these disasters come on us because our God is not with us?’ 18 And I will certainly hide my face in that day because of all their wickedness in turning to other gods.All of those Israelites were “common people”. And God foresaw the things they would soon do.
Mikethose are the chosen people of Israel ,millions of people but none was named by name ;because their were some good people in there like the day
Jos 1:6 “Be strong and courageous, because you will lead these people to inherit the land I swore to their forefathers to give them.
Jos 1:7 Be strong and very courageous. Be careful to obey all the law my servant Moses gave you; do not turn from it to the right or to the left, that you may be successful wherever you go.Jos 1:16 Then they answered Joshua, “Whatever you have commanded us we will do, and wherever you send us we will go.
Jos 1:17 Just as we fully obeyed Moses, so we will obey you. Only may the LORD your God be with you as he was with Moses.
Jos 1:18 Whoever rebels against your word and does not obey your words, whatever you may command them, will be put to death. Only be strong and courageous!”Jos 24:31 Israel served the LORD throughout the lifetime of Joshua and of the elders who outlived him and who had experienced everything the LORD had done for Israel
was God wrong
Was God wrong about what?
I don't see a connection between the verses you posted, and the question you asked.
But I should ask you the same question concerning the passage I quoted. Was God wrong about the Israelites doing the exact things He said they would soon do?
Of course we both know God wasn't wrong, for they did indeed do everything God foretold Moses they would do.
So the only question is:
Did God CAUSE them to go against Him? Or we He able to foresee that they would go against Him of their own volition?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 07 2014,06:40) Was God wrong about what? I don't see a connection between the verses you posted, and the question you asked.
But I should ask you the same question concerning the passage I quoted. Was God wrong about the Israelites doing the exact things He said they would soon do?
Of course we both know God wasn't wrong, for they did indeed do everything God foretold Moses they would do.
So the only question is:
Did God CAUSE them to go against Him? Or we He able to foresee that they would go against Him of their own volition?
Mike“You are going to rest with your ancestors, and these people will soon prostitute themselves to the foreign gods of the land they are entering. They will forsake me and break the covenant I made with them.
your scripture in your quote to me
yes they would go of their own will ,for some reasons
Btw Pierre,
You posting a bunch of verses, and then asking me a question did NOT address the conversation we were in the middle of. Let me show you how you've been “diverting” the discussion:
1. First, I asked about t8's kids. I asked if God had told us that t8's kids would soon abandon the good path, would it be because God could foresee this thing – or because God CAUSED this thing.
2. You completely AVOIDED the question, and asked me to show you in scripture where God foresaw a common person doing anything. That is NOT an answer to the question I asked – just so you know.
3. Then I posted a passage where God indeed foresaw common people going against Him in the near future. And still no actual ANSWER from you.
4. Instead, you diverted once again, saying they were “chosen people”, posting some scriptures, and asking if God was wrong.
Are you beginning to see how you're not actually ADDRESSING my points, or sticking with the discussion?
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 06 2014,18:45) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 07 2014,06:40) Was God wrong about what?
Mike“You are going to rest with your ancestors, and these people will soon prostitute themselves to the foreign gods of the land they are entering. They will forsake me and break the covenant I made with them.
your scripture in your quote to me
No Pierre. God was not wrong about what He foresaw, and then foretold to Moses.How does that address the point?
Mike
Quote 1. First, I asked about t8's kids. I asked if God had told us that t8's kids would soon abandon the good path, would it be because God could foresee this thing – or because God CAUSED this thing. God does not cause anything but his will to fulfill his plan to bring us back to him ,and your example seems out of reality ;use the example of the children of Israel ,(a few million ) and then we all know not all were corrupted some were righteous ;
So then in your opinion, God did indeed cause those Israelites to rebel against Him – just so He could then bring them back to Him? I disagree.
And it doesn't matter if the example includes one person, or 2 billion people. I showed you the scripture that has what you asked for in it. God foresaw COMMON PEOPLE going against Him in the future.
Which brings us back to the first question, which hopefully you will answer and not divert from:
If God foretold to us that t8's sons would soon go down a bad path, would it be because God can FORESEE that this thing will happen? Or because God is going to CAUSE this thing to happen?
Which one, please?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 07 2014,12:06) So then in your opinion, God did indeed cause those Israelites to rebel against Him – just so He could then bring them back to Him? I disagree. And it doesn't matter if the example includes one person, or 2 billion people. I showed you the scripture that has what you asked for in it. God foresaw COMMON PEOPLE going against Him in the future.
Which brings us back to the first question, which hopefully you will answer and not divert from:
If God foretold to us that t8's sons would soon go down a bad path, would it be because God can FORESEE that this thing will happen? Or because God is going to CAUSE this thing to happen?
Which one, please?
Mike B.This question has been answered many,many times.
If one will not understand,then let it be.
You have done your job.
The prophesies tell us that God can see far ahead.wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 07 2014,07:06) So then in your opinion, God did indeed cause those Israelites to rebel against Him – just so He could then bring them back to Him? I disagree. And it doesn't matter if the example includes one person, or 2 billion people. I showed you the scripture that has what you asked for in it. God foresaw COMMON PEOPLE going against Him in the future.
Which brings us back to the first question, which hopefully you will answer and not divert from:
If God foretold to us that t8's sons would soon go down a bad path, would it be because God can FORESEE that this thing will happen? Or because God is going to CAUSE this thing to happen?
Which one, please?
Mikeread what scriptures says ;the Israelite 's that knew and lived under Joshua and his leaders ;stay faithful ;but their children did not and start to get corrupted ;just tell me as you look at the sons of Samuel the great prophet children ;and see what the scriptures says about them ;THAT THEY DID NOT FOLLOW IN THE FOOT STEPS OF THEIR FATHER ;
GOD DOES NOT AS TO FORESEEN MEN HE KNOWS MEN ,JUST LIKE JESUS KNEW THEM ,MEN WITH THE TRUTH ARE THINKING IN ONE WAY WHILE THOSE WITHOUT TRUTH ARE THINKING IN ANOTHER WAY ;THIS IS NOT DEEP SCIENCE ;
i was talking about men fall from Adam when I said to bring us back that is the plan of God ,this is why Christ died right
yes ;then why would God have to foresee in the future when he knows very well the outcome of it all ,it is to help some of us the believers that he reveal some of his plan and to give us courage to look for him ,Quote So then in your opinion, God did indeed cause those Israelites to rebel against Him – just so He could then bring them back to Him? I disagree. me too,I disagree with that ,I never say that either
Mike
there is one thing I can not understand is how God can see from birth that a child would be either wicked or good ,Mike
Quote And it doesn't matter if the example includes one person, or 2 billion people. I showed you the scripture that has what you asked for in it. God foresaw COMMON PEOPLE going against Him in the future. I showed you the scripture that it did not happen directly after Moses dead but many years later after the next generation came to be ;
but did God cause it
NO ,did God cause any evil on the earth or in heaven NO did God cause the stumbling of any one
NOQuote (terraricca @ Mar. 06 2014,20:30) why would God have to foresee in the future when he knows very well the outcome of it all
Pierre,Saying that God is able to know the outcome is the same thing as saying that God can foresee what will happen.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 08 2014,08:56) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 06 2014,20:30) why would God have to foresee in the future when he knows very well the outcome of it all
Pierre,Saying that God is able to know the outcome is the same thing as saying that God can foresee what will happen.
Mikethere is a difference to say that God can know and God know's
God know's what he want and how he want it ;
look at the prophet Jonas he is told to go to the city of Ninive
and tell them that in 40 days if they do not change God will destroy them ;but he run away ;God in his way make him come back to fulfill his will ,then Jonas go out to ninive and tell those people an modified message ;and then go and wait to see how God going to destroy them ;but they change and God did not kill them ;and left a Jonas frustrated .
God does not need foreseen ,or foreknowledge ;he knows were he goes and no one can stop it because he take all what it takes to make it happen ;prophecy is a given to men of hi knowledge of his plan ;for the purpose to encourage the true believers in there waiting time for the coming of Christ return
the most prophecies person in all scriptures is Christ himself, he was the greatest event in the world ;and almost every step of the way God give hints ,ans revelations about him sins the beginning of men corruption
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