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So far, you have quoted a scripture that says God has feathers. If those are literal feathers, then God has a body. But we both agree it is a metaphor. That does not disprove that God has a body.
Then you quoted scripture that no one can see God. Yes, no one can see face to face God and live to tell about it. Again, this does not disprove God has a body. On the contrary, it proves it!
And now you quote a bunch of commentaries by men and not scripture itself to support your point. Not one single scripture that says God doesn't have a body. All those things you said are commentaries about what people say about scripture, rather than scripture itself.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 15 2009,07:16) Hi and welcome DT,
Do you think God is as small as a man?
Thanks for the welcome. No, I do not think God is as small as a man. I don't think you do either.Again, let me clarify that we are not talking about a body that is like ours. We are talking about a body that ours is like. God does not have a human body.
I guess you're trying to say how can an omnipresent God confine himself to a specific place, right? I really don't know the answer to that yet. But remember, His body does not have limits like our bodies do. So I guess He can be everywhere and somewhere at the same time. I don't have anything to support that at this time.
Hi DT,
God manifests in His creation usually by His Spirit.[Ps 139]
But earth is tiny in the context of the created universe and men are miniscule.Quote (daretoshred @ Sep. 15 2009,07:22) So far, you have quoted a scripture that says God has feathers. If those are literal feathers, then God has a body. But we both agree it is a metaphor. That does not disprove that God has a body. Then you quoted scripture that no one can see God. Yes, no one can see face to face God and live to tell about it. Again, this does not disprove God has a body. On the contrary, it proves it!
And now you quote a bunch of commentaries by men and not scripture itself to support your point. Not one single scripture that says God doesn't have a body. All those things you said are commentaries about what people say about scripture, rather than scripture itself.
I think it is hilarious that you would have us listen to your own “commentary”, you are asking for my “commentary”, yet you reject the “commentary” of the fathers upon the Scriptures. I am a mere “man” and yet you have no problem asking me to expound Scripture. Did you even read what the fathers had to say?Cyril of Alexandria
“When the divine Scripture presents sayings about God and remarks on corporeal parts, do not let the mind of those hearing it harbor thoughts of tangible things, but from those tangible things as if from things said figuratively let it ascend to the beauty of things intellectual, and rather than figures and quantity and circumscriptions and shapes and everything else that pertains to bodies, let it think on God, although he is above all understanding. We were speaking of him in a human way, for there is no other way in which we could think about the things that are above us” (Commentary on the Psalms 11[12]:3 [A.D. 429]).
That's a commentary of the Scriptures. Go read what the fathers have to say.
Hi CA,
Your church 'fathers' are also mere carnal men.
They birthed a church it is true, but it bears no relationship to the body of Christ.Hi CA:
You say:
Quote First, the image of God we bear involves our rational soul that separates us from animals (the function that the image plays in Genesis 1 is to separate humans from the animals God has just created). The first man Adam was made a living soul, and so, I agree with this, however, the last Adam was made a life giving spirit, like God in that we are a spirit of love. Jesus is the express image of God's person, and we as born again Christians are becoming like him as we learn to apply his commandments in our daily life.
No, God Himself does not have a body. He has a soul which is His mind, his will, and his emotions, but He does dwell within us as born again believers by His Spirit as our helper. And so, it is written that our body is the Holy Temple of God.
God's throne is in heaven, but he can be everywhere by His Spirit.
Quote Isa 66:1 ¶ Thus saith the LORD, The heaven [is] my throne, and the earth [is] my footstool: where [is] the house that ye build unto me? and where [is] the place of my rest? Quote Lev 26:1 ¶ Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up [any] image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I [am] the LORD your God. Lev 26:2 Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I [am] the LORD.
Lev 26:3 ¶ If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them;
Lev 26:4 Then I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit.
Lev 26:5 And your threshing shall reach unto the vintage, and the vintage shall reach unto the sowing time: and ye shall eat your bread to the full, and dwell in your land safely.
Lev 26:6 And I will give peace in the land, and ye shall lie down, and none shall make [you] afraid: and I will rid evil beasts out of the land, neither shall the sword go through your land.
Lev 26:7 And ye shall chase your enemies, and they shall fall before you by the sword.
Lev 26:8 And five of you shall chase an hundred, and an hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight: and your enemies shall fall before you by the sword.
Lev 26:9 ¶ For I will have respect unto you, and make you fruitful, and multiply you, and establish my covenant with you.
Lev 26:10 And ye shall eat old store, and bring forth the old because of the new.
Lev 26:11 And I will set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you.
Quote 1Cr 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 1Cr 2:10 But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1Cr 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Quote Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Quote 2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. Quote 1Cr 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 15 2009,06:41) Hi Eve,
God manifests in many ways even in His puny earthly creation.
But none have seen Him as He IS invisible spirit.
I have no idea what you just said but I know what that scripture says. Moses did not see God's face but he saw God's back or backside. Either that, or the scripture I posted should be thrown out.Hi Eve,
God allows manifestations of Himself to be seen but no man has seen God.[said by Jesus]
God is SpiritQuote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 15 2009,10:50) Hi Eve,
God allows manifestations of Himself to be seen but no man has seen God.[said by Jesus]
God is Spirit
Jacob called the place he wrestled with God “Peniel” because he seen God FACE TO FACE. Jesus did not say that no man has seen God. The apostle John said it and he was speaking about THE MIND'S EYE. “No man has seen God at any time, except the only begotten Son, He has EXPLAINED Him.”Explanation is for the mind's eye.
thinker
Quote (eveh @ Sep. 15 2009,10:47) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 15 2009,06:41) Hi Eve,
God manifests in many ways even in His puny earthly creation.
But none have seen Him as He IS invisible spirit.
I have no idea what you just said but I know what that scripture says. Moses did not see God's face but he saw God's back or backside. Either that, or the scripture I posted should be thrown out.
Hi Eve:I believe that what we see are his attributes although the scriptures here indicate that Moses would see his back parts in passing. Focus on verse 33:19.
Quote Exd 33:18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory. Exd 33:19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
Exd 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
Exd 33:21 And the LORD said, Behold, [there is] a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
Exd 33:22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
Exd 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.
Love in Chrsit,
MartyQuote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 15 2009,10:50) Hi Eve,
God allows manifestations of Himself to be seen but no man has seen God.[said by Jesus]
God is Spirit
John 21:11Jesus came and *took the bread and *gave it to them, and the fish likewise.
14 This is now the third time that Jesus was manifested to the disciples, after He was raised from the dead.
So, Nick, you mean God manifested himself in the same way Jesus manifested himself to his apostles. It does seem he appeared in more than one body, otherwise the apostles wold have known him right away. Of course when he showed himself to Thomas he was in his own body.
So, you think it was not really God or Jesus but just their hologram? I do realize that God is spirit but I think he can take on a physical form that can be seen and in fact did.
Now you can't see his spirit, since to our thinking, spirit is invisible, but he can manifest a physical form if he needs too. Perhaps that is what Moses saw. Moses did see something. The scripture says he did.
Hi Eve,
Jesus is a man.
Raised in his perishable old body he appeared to the disciples having new abilities now.{? like to Philip being transported}God does not have a human body
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 15 2009,11:33) Hi Eve,
Jesus is a man.
Raised in his perishable old body he appeared to the disciples having new abilities now.{? like to Philip being transported}God does not have a human body
Oh Nick. I know God is not a man. I know that Jesus was a man. You missed my point. Jesus appeared three times to the apostles. They did not recognize him walking along the road and they did not recognize him on the shore until they heard his voice. So he must have looked different than he did in his old body when he appeared unto Thomas. All I am saying is, God manifested himself in some way to Moses so that he saw something. Jesus must have manifested himself in more than one form for the apostles not to recognize him, the first two times.
If my Mama manifested unto me in her body, I would sure know her. But they didn't know him right away.
It's not important,,,,just a thought.. thanks for responding.Hi EVE,
Must have?
Would you recognise someone you had just put in a tomb?
His body was the same one of flesh and bones as he showed them the holes in it.Luke : 17 And He said to them, “What kind of conversation is this that you have with one another as you walk and are sad?”
18 Then the one whose name was Cleopas answered and said to Him, “Are You the only stranger in Jerusalem, and have You not known the things which happened there in these days?”
19 And He said to them, “What things?”They thought Jesus was a stranger. They did not reconize him. They didn't know who he was until the broke bread and handed it to them later. So, he could not have been in the likeness of the body they knew. Unless he had closed their eyes so they wouln't reconize him. I think that may be why they didn' know him.
Hi Eve,
You make assumptions.
The mother of a Cleopas is mentioned in Scripture I think.But were they personally familiar with Jesus?Does scripture say so?
I think it more likely God had prevented them recognising him as breaking of bread is not a giveaway is it unless they had done so with him before?
eve………The Key is (THEY) thought Jesus was some one else , GOD prevented them from recognizing Jesus, that is all. When the Apostles on Pentecost were Speak in All the Different people from all the different Languages Heard them speak in their own tongues. That was not the disciples talking in all those Languages as some assume. it was God causing all the People to understand what the disciples were saying in there own language. Nick has it right GOD Prevented them from recognizing him them Him changing his appearance. IMO
peace and love……………………….gene
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