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i did not actually say what you think I said in the miracle thread. Context is important. Pronouns are important.Hi David,
Please clarify what you said/meant in the miracle thread…
Are you still a member of the JW’s organization?…also I sent you a PM, did you get it?
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Ed JBeating wives whether legal or illegal is not the issue, it is weird how you keep combining morality with judging morality. The bible for instance does not “promote” beating children but that is the way you keep framing the context. All talks of corporeal punishment is the extreme example. When the Bible speaks of going to hell it is not promoting hell or going to hell it is simply giving the clear warning and the criteria.
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So you’re question is not about morality at all it is about Judging moralityHi BD,
Do you consider wife beating to be moral?
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Ed JMy point is that the bile does in fact literally say to beat them and with a rod. This was viewed by Christians as proper morality for thousands of years. But The WORLD changes its view. Now it is not as oral to do these things. The bible hasn’t changed.
You keep doing the same thing the bible isn’t saying beat your children it is saying if the child is behaving immorally to beat them so that it may correct them…otherwise they may go down a path that damages their entire life you keep saying it as though a person gets up in the morning and randomly beats children and that’s not what the bible says at all.
Hi BD,
Do you consider wife beating to be moral?
Morality is based upon whatever context God places it in, just like killing, either you believe that when God commanded the Israelites:
Exodus 32:27 Then he said to them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.'”
Now this was all the people that did not accept the covenant, so when God says: Do not Kill, He was saying Do not kill each other(as in the covenant)
That is why when a person violates a law worthy of death it pushes them outside the covenant and eligible for that punishment.
So it is not a matter of “wife beating” it is a matter of Law, justice and punishment. so now here is the question for you, if you believe that your wife is being immoral with the possibility of receiving 100 lashes or even worse by law would you let her progress in sin or would you fight for her life even if it meant beating her lightly?
And are you a J.W?
No. Just a clear thinker.
Hi David,
Please clarify this statement you made in the miracle thread…
Are you still a member of the JW’s organization?_______________
God bless
Ed JPlease BD, “Yes” or “No”
Do you consider wife beating to be moral?
Context EDJ, no answers without context why is the action taking place? Now do you want to ask a better question such as:
Do you consider chastising ones wife physically to be moral under any circumstance?How would you answer that?
Jude 1:22-23Darby Translation (DARBY)
22 And of some have compassion, making a difference,
23 but others save with fear, snatching [them] out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
Morality is based upon whatever context God places it in
No it isn’t
Okay, so is killing children for any reason ever Moral?
Is the destruction of property Moral?Ed. The question was asked of that other guy if he was a jw.
I quotes that question to him and responded for him and said: no, just a clear thinker.
My point is that the bile does in fact literally say to beat them and with a rod. This was viewed by Christians as proper morality for thousands of years. But The WORLD changes its view. Now it is not as oral to do these things. The bible hasn’t changed.
You keep doing the same thing the bible isn’t saying beat your children it is saying if the child is behaving immorally to beat them so that it may correct them…otherwise they may go down a path that damages their entire life you keep saying it as though a person gets up in the morning and randomly beats children and that’s not what the bible says at all.Ohhh. I see. Yes to clarify it encourages beating your son as a form of discipline. Not randomly. I didn’t mean to imply that if I did.
Morality is based upon whatever context God places it in
No it isn’t
Okay, so is killing children for any reason ever Moral?
Is the destruction of property Moral?Now we are getting into divine command theory and the euthyphro dilemma.
Does God saying something make it moral, as if him saying rape was moral would make it moral? Or does God only say moral things, as if he is a messenger, a middle man? Both answers create problematic or uncomfortable results.
Ed. The question was asked of that other guy if he was a jw.
I quotes that question to him and responded for him and said: no, just a clear thinker.
Hi David,
OK you were just answering for UMB5 then, got it!
But are you still a member of the JW’s organization?_______________
God bless
Ed JPlease BD, “Yes” or “No”
Do you consider wife beating to be moral?
Context EDJ, no answers without context why is the action taking place?
Hi BD, (my question to you)
What does ‘context’ have to do with anything?
Are you copying your answers from a book?Do you consider wife beating to be moral?
Because the wife is not listening to her husband.
Would beating her into submission be moral? I say “No”Please answer “yes” or “no”
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(your counter question to me)“Do you consider chastising ones wife physically to be moral under any circumstance?”
To stop infidelity as a last resort (before I would divorce her) I might resort to it.
No, wife beating is an immoral behavior, two wrongs don’t make a right.
I would also steal to eat, but stealing is an immoral act as well.A cop doesn’t shoot someone because they want to, but because they deem it necessary.
I hope you find my answer acceptable.
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Ed JMorality is based upon whatever context God places it in
No it isn’t
(1)Okay, so is killing children for any reason ever Moral?
(2)Is the destruction of property Moral?Hi BD,
1) How old is the child?
2) If you want to build something new, why not? Are you hinting at revenge?
“To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time” (Deut 32:35)
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Ed JHi BD,
1) How old is the child?
2) If you want to build something new, why not? Are you hinting at revenge?
“To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time” (Deut 32:35)
1) The child is 8, is it moral to kill the child?
2) Is it moral to damage someone elses propertyEd,
According to Scripture God commanded the Jews to kill all the Canaanites, even babies in their mother’s arms.
Are modern culture declares God’s actions as evil.
You have to choose whether your God is the God of the Hebrews he commanded to commit genocide against the peoples of Canaan or he is one made up by modern culture.
Get to know God and why it was loving to command genocide.
1) The child is 8, is it moral to kill the child?
2) Is it moral to damage someone elses propertyHi BD,
1) “No”
2) As an act of revenge, “No”Hi BD, (my question to you)
What does ‘context’ have to do with anything?
Are you copying your answers from a book?Do you consider wife beating to be moral?
Because the wife is not listening to her husband.
Would beating her into submission be moral? I say “No”I agree no in that context because the first step is trying to talk to her about it the second step is to stop sleeping with her, so her just being cold or generally unpleasant is not a valid reason
Please answer “yes” or “no”
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(your counter question to me)“Do you consider chastising ones wife physically to be moral under any circumstance?”
To stop infidelity as a last resort (before I would divorce her) I might resort to it.
No, wife beating is an immoral behavior, two wrongs don’t make a right.
I would also steal to eat, but stealing is an immoral act as well.A cop doesn’t shoot someone because they want to, but because they deem it necessary.
I hope you find my answer acceptable.
I agree with your second answer as well except that I wouldn’t call it immoral at that point and two wrongs do make a right or put more clearly a person can feel wronged when they are being treated Justly for what criminal thinks their own penalty is fair. For instance you always mention the death penalty many believe it is wrong but the person receiving it also did a wrong and the general consensus is his death will make it right. Stealing is not always immoral unless it is your view that God leads people into immorality or orders them to be immoral because in the bible God does order theft
Deuteronomy 20:14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies.
plunder. to rob, despoil, or fleece
So in the above example was this God sanctioned stealing and kidnapping immoral or moral?
Ed,
According to Scripture God commanded the Jews to kill all the Canaanites, even babies in their mother’s arms.
Are modern culture declares God’s actions as evil.
(1)You have to choose whether your God is the God of the Hebrews (2)he commanded to commit genocide against the peoples of Canaan or he is one made up by modern culture.
Get to know God and why it was loving to command genocide.
Hi Kerwin,
1) It’s best to understand the bible rather than make derogatory unwarranted accusations.
2) The reason for the flood was to remove (from the planet) alien D.N.A. from the population.
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Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
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