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Nick
You don’t know who I am
You don’t know what I believe
You don’t appear to know what this thread is about.
You seem to mostly be filled with a mixture of hate, confusion, logical fallacies, specifically red herrings and ad hominem like attacks that are unrelated to the actual thread, a thread you seem to be wholely unaware of what the topic is.
I have spent about a decade attempting to get you to answer biblical questions or at least make some reply that is somehow connected to what is actually being discussed. You seem wholely incapable of rational thought or dialogue. I would prefer if you would keep your random unconnected unrelated statements away from my discussions. I would love to discuss the bible with you or anyone interested in a discussion. But you are incapable of doing any more than randomly spouting out flowery ramblings. I know this is harsh. But I’ve said these things a hundred times to you before. I would love to stoop to your level and have very often contemplated doing this but would hate myself for doing so. Please, please, stop your illogical biased unrelated attacks against a group rather than against the ideas actually being discussed.
I know you are aging and perhaps are trying your hardest but you have to know what you are doing is both wrong and illogical. Please cease.
The reason I am focused on morality is because most people fall prey to a cognitive illusion called the availability heuristic. They watch the news. They believe that people are behaving worse and worse. They don’t look at the stats. They don’t consider how the news works. They don’t understand how the mind works with respect to remembering things or evaluating risk. So I have been studying morality and began with what I would say is the best marker of morality–violence. And in that I came across the violence of the bible. Things such as slavery and hitting children with rods and stoning and genocides. And in studying the morality of disciplining children it seems like we don’t use the morality of the bible but rather are basing it on the world.
This is why I’m interested in morality. Mostly the trend, but here I ask about where it comes from.
Hi David,
Back to the subject.
Does true morality exclude following men, like the JW leaders, rather than God’s servant Jesus Christ?
Acts 5.29
..We must obey God rather than men
Hi David,
I believe you, me and Nick are all saying the same thing.
I believe Nick knows this, but not sure that you do.I’ll spell it out.
The HolySpirit (that sanctifies) inspired the words in the bible.
The HolySpirit is not limited merely to the text of the bible.It is HE the HolySpirit that is where we should get our morality from, it should come
from HIM and not we ourselves.“Nevertheless, I am telling you the truth, it is for your benefit that I am going away.
For if I do not go away, the helper will not come to you; but if I do go,I will send him to you. And when that
one comes, he will give the world convincing evidence
concerning sin and concerning righteousness and concerning judgment:” (N.W.T. John 16:7-8)Always good to chat with you David!
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God bless
Ed J(1)Where our morality matches the bible it’s easy to say it comes from the bible. (2)But when they don’t match, we go through all sorts of mental hoops to make it seem like the bible fits with modern morality.
Hi David,
1) “You mean like thou shalt NOT associate with drunkards”
I don’t remember that being in the bible,
do you? If so, where is it located?2) islamists simply say it is in the quran
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God bless
Ed JHi David,
Are you familiar with the word “canon” David?
I posed your question to myself at the age of twelve,
and that is when I became a “Christian”, because I needed
to know where “the line” of right and wrong needed to be drawn.And you know what I learned David?
Nick:
“Does true morality exclude following men?”
I am only concerned with the men who wrote the bible. Does true morality come from following what they wrote? Or do we in actuality get our morality from elsewhere while pretending this isn’t true. This is my question.
You seemed unhealthily obsessed with jw. Nick, in the past 7 years can you find a single instance anywhere on this forum where I mentioned jw other than because you or someone else attacked JW as if you were attacking me? It’s a serious question I’d like you to answer or at least think about for a minute. I am flipping the switch and I hate myself for it.
Nick, being a doctor you must know that 90 year olds sometimes experience odd thinking and I would like to excuse your obsessive thoughts because of this. But I’m not sure this is a valid excuse. Your weird thinking about morality or your lack of thinking about it is possibly due to your generation’s use of corporeal punishment or beatings which I assume you likely experienced to some degree being of that time. Such aggressive treatment can increase the likelihood of mental (thinking/emotional) disorders which are associated with the cognitive distortions we are so familiar with in your posts. Seek psychiatric help. You don’t have to go through this alone.
Hi david,
Have you really left Catholicism behind?
Or gone sideways into another religion of man?
Or do the JWs provide another comfortable formula for saving yourself?
Ed, the problem is delusion and bias and self deception.
Everyone could say we should follow the spirit or be led by the spirit. Really, very often the person is just reaching into themself for their own feeling and following what the bible calls their treacherous heart that cannot be trusted.
Every witch that has very been burned alive or every Jew that has ever been burned alive were burned alive by people who found ways to believe that what they were doing was gods will and moral.
My question is, do we really get our morals or sense of what is right or wrong from the bible? If slavery were still legal, if this was 100 years ago and you were living in the U.S. Would you go down to the town square and buy a person and own them and beat them if you felt it necessary, making sure to not beat them so hard that they lose an eye or their teeth, or that they can’t get up after a couple days.
Right now, where I am, I would find it hard to believe that I would do a lot of things the bible endorses, regardless of when I lived.
Nick,
Before you become a centarian, I hope you finally see the error of your ways and repent of your Buddhist philosophy. Look at us, being all 5 year old. I see the appeal.Ed, it really feels like that is in the bible. Not to become familiar with heavy drinkers of wine. Or something like that. Feels like proverbs?
hi david,
The Spirit of God wrote the bible through human vessels. 2 peter 1
Those words are Spirit and life
Nick, then for the love of all that is good, please quite your obsession with them. You are the only one who is obsessed with them. I’m not even entirely sure why. Also, I am not sure you are relevant. But what does this have to do with our discussion? Not much.
As I’ve done 15 times in the past, I feel like abandoning this thread, beginning another, and somehow banning nicks distractions and weird obsessions from that thread. It’s pointless even beginning a thread and hoping it stays on subject. Again, nick, don’t you think it odd that most of your comments are so generic they could be placed in any thread and no one would notice a difference? I think this might be why I left this forum. The off topic misguided illogical attacks that are meant to be personal.
Hey, I just realized mike is gone. Where did he go.
Hi david,
I am not against the JWs.
They are lovely people.
But I am sad that human religious organisations trap people into lifelong subservience to their false dogmas.
You cannot serve two masters and the Lord is very keen to take on the role of teaching and training you.
Faith will return when you turn to him.
Hi david,
Jesus came for sinners.
So making the world a MORAL place is a side effect of the plan, not a primary aim.
Nick,is David a JW? Do you even know this or just guessing? It doesn’t matter to me one way or another but I’m curious.From the little I’ve read from him I would never think that.
David,
Have you looked at the stats?
According to them homicide rate were extremely high during the middle age and dropped from there to a low point where they stayed for a while then took an upturn in the 1960’s. These are homicides which may have been high because of 1) the medicine of the times, 2) the cultural of dueling and 3) the effects of growth of government power. But since the 60’s things have gotten worse. I believe there has been an improvement in recent years and it is still better than the middle ages.
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