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Flesh and Blood:
Flesh means any material matter in a solid shape – anything tangible and visible – is FLESH.
Words can BECOME FLESH when the WORD is executed as a a tangible Action – it means the “Embodied Word”Blood means any fluid material matter that flows, it is what Carries the Spirit: For Life is IN THE BLOOD.
Jesus said at one time “FLESH and Blood…cannot enter heaven”
Then at another “See touch I have FLESH and BONE” – nothing in Scriptures is said by accident or misdesign except where it has been adulterated by Man. Jesus PROVED DOUBLY that he was a HUMAN BEING by not only showing Thomas that he had FLESH and BONE but he also ASKED for FOOD to eat.
Angels, Spirits, do not EAT FOOD, they have no need of FOOD for their have no MATERIAL BODY to require sustaining with material food. Even the 'Angels with Abraham' were FLESH and Blood and required sustenance. Do not confuse Pure Angel spirits with Angels manifested as MAN. When a body is manifested it also needs feeding, maintaining with fleshly food and drink.Quote (Istari @ Jan. 04 2011,04:12) Hi Shimmer Blood means any fluid material matter that flows, it is what Carries the Spirit: For Life is IN THE BLOOD.
Hi Istari,Me, you and Gene all agree on this one!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Istari @ Jan. 03 2011,10:36) Georg, hello, I see great confusion in this thread.
George, it seems you are right concerning this aspect.
Jesus went to pains to show that he was FLESH and BONE… Why is this disputed by anyone here…even Doubting Thomas believed and further, Jesus went on to say:
Quote “because you have seen me [and felt me] YOU have believed. HAPPY are those who did not see but yet believe” And what is it that Paul says:
Quote “It is buried a Natural Body, it is raised a Spiritual Body, for if there is a Natural body there is also a Spiritual body” What is the “Natural Body”? Did Jesus die in a Natural Body?
What is the “Spiritual Body”? Was Jesus raised in a Spiritual Body?I see Mikeboll64 says Jesus didn't acquire a Spiritual Body until he was entering Heaven 'for what reason would he need a Spiritual body before' (Please excuse my adlib!).
But Scriptures does not say what Mikeboll64 is saying. There is no reference to Jesus having his body made Spiritual 'just before he entered Heaven'.
It appears that just as Paul says, Jesus was raised up into the SAME Body he was buried in but that SAME body was made Spiritual (The tension is around the term “Spiritual Body” here I think!)
There seems to be debate over Jesus showing his hands and side with wounds proving it was HIM, and that the wounds were real…but the Disciples did not recognise Jesus until he showed them.
When Jesus died, his body was scourged and torn, yet his newly raised body was not – except for the wounds in his hand and side – could his body have been cleaned up for the burial so his less ragged scars were embalmed (or whatever they do in pallors) Why didn't Jesus show them the where the thorns pierced his forehead and the Scourge marks on his back?
No, I believe that Jesus maintained the Holes in his body explicitly to prove who he was. Remember that he had healed many people of damage to their body…how easy would it have been for the Holy Spirit to heal Jesus' wounds. No, he wears his wounds as a trophy of his triumph. Perhaps why Revelation shows him as a lamb 'as if slaughtered'.
And then, Jesus just 'APPEARED' to two men walking on the road, then just as bewilderingly, 'DISAPPEARED', 'Vanished' before them when they reached their destination.
Then he mysteriously 'entered among the disciples' from nowhere.
Then he shockingly 'Entered in among them' even though “the doors had be been shut for fear of the Jews”.
Then later on Jesus rises up into the clouds and DISAPPEARS in from of some of the disciples…two men mysteriously appear saying “Men of Galilee, why look you up in the empty sky, this Jesus will appear again in like fashion that you [just saw] him leave”.How did his body enter Heaven. Jesus said Flesh and Blood cannot enter Heaven…
Did he say that “FLESH and BONE” cannot enter Heaven…who says this – I think this is plain silly… Why? because Heaven is the realm of the Spirits – not the realm of the Material – and FLESH and BONE is Material.Perhaps, FLESH and BONE is the SPIRITUAL BODY (Note: Not Flesh and BLOOD – why?)
What is a Spiritual Body… Pure, incorruptible, Godly, without Sin.
What is a Natural Body… impure, corruptible, unGodly, with Sin.The word “Spirit” means, “Without Body” – Jesus had a body on being raised up, and he proved he was not Spirit.
But then he entered Heaven and is Now Spirit, as Mikeboll64 says.
Wikipedia says that certain church leaders believed that Demon Spirits could create bodies for themselves.
So if Demon Spirits can materialise bodies [illegally] for themselves, and presumably de-materialise them as them, then why would Jesus find it a problem to do so having the full backing of god Almighty?
Who takes a shower with his clothes on?
No, you take off the [sullied] clothes, enter into the [Heavenly] shower, then put on [clean] clothes when you come out.Is this a NATURAL BODY? Is this what a SPIRITUAL BODY can do?
I think this is hitting on the answer to this seemingly endlessly confusing discussion.
Did you change your mind and say now that Jesus rose again in the fleshly body?
Here you say thatr He was a spiritual Body! Did you not?
Peace IreneIrene, thankyou, Terrrarica, you did but don't worry, Georg I agree, i'm done here too, Istari ok thanks.
Time to move on now.
Irene,
I am glad to see you are asking questions.
maybe we can get to the truth finally.Your problem is you were misled by Mikeboll64 who realised afterwards that he was wrong.
Spiritual Body he was making bones about because he was straining at trying to say that Spirits have bodies but could find no proof – in fact NOTHING AT ALL – why BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING.
If Scriptures had meant to say that Spirits had bodies it would have done in TWO OTHER PLACES also…Scriptures ALWAYS QUALIFIES ITSELF.Irene, please believe me – GOD KNOWS that man would try to corrupt the Gospels and put safeguards in PLACE – EVERYTHING is REPEATED so that if it is corrupted in one place there are two others to reconcile the dissolve the corruption.
Scriptures is no place says that Spirits have bodies. And why should it – the very word SPIRIT – means IMMATERIAL – No Matter – invisible – formless.
Further SPIRITUAL BODY – Means a body that is SINLESS, incorruptible, Pure, Godly. There is not a single notion of 'SPIRIT BEING' in the term “SPIRITUAL BODY”.
Irene, it is MIKEBOLL64 that led you this way – both you and TERRARICCA…you were angry at JustAskin and wanted to 'get back at him' ad Satan seized your anger through Mikeboll64 to lead you astray.
Then Mikevoll64 realising he was wrong – started arguing against you to give him a way out – He used Shimmer to hide behind and say “AH Shimmer, You made me see light – i believe”. What he meant was “Here's my chance” and he took it – that's why I told you he would leave you and go over to through even in a deceitful way leaving you still holding falsity.
You chose to play to the devils Music – now you cannot stop until he says so…And you know know that you want to but you cannot…
But Irene, you can – just BELIEVE. Have Faith.
This is a silly thing to fall away from Christ and God for – You knew when I asked to respond in the Holy Spirit that you could not – why not HOLD to the Holy Spirit – EVERYONE HERE is here to welcome you and George.
– Shimmer would be delighted.Mikeboll64 has made his way over – sort of and left you on the other side – be careful of him next time.
And Irene, I have not changed my mind from the beginning – i have always said “Spiritual Body: FLESH and BONE”.
it is your misunderstanding led by Mikeboll64 that leads you to think there is a difference.
Irene, SPIRITUAL does not mean SPIRIT. Even George had to screw around trying to make it fit by say 'drop the UAL' – Irene, even you must have said “George, that was extremely silly, dear!”
Irene, what does it feel like when you know you are lying against the Holy spirit – do you not fear God?
ED J,
Is this the first time you heard me say what you say i said, ED J?
But, yes, now we need Irene to cover over -please encourage her with love – I am too brusk a man to do so, so it seems.
Hi Istari,
I'm unsure as to what you're talking about ? ?
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgAll,
Looking back and to now I have always said – No, spirit beings (Angels) and God do not have bodies, I have always said this, all I said way back was that I believed that Angels and Jesus had wings. Later I said I would have believed that because it's what I saw in book's as a kid. I said I believed Jesus was risen in the flesh and then rose to Heaven in a glorified spirit body and agreed with JustAskin on that, and agreed that it say's that flesh and blood cannot enter Heaven. So, I just wanted to say that. So many different opinions causes confusion in some. And confused is what I had become here. But, I agree with all that JustAskin has said here in regards to the topic of the thread. Even though I said it was time to move on. I just wanted to say.
ED J,
Irene wishes to be led over to the light concerning Spiritual bodies.
I have left that for you to do with Gene, unless you are saying you can't do it.
Shimmer,
from reading the back posts I see that you and Justaskin have both travelled hand in hand on many things here.You appear to be both in the Spirit and in the Spirit – anything is possible. the truth of the Spirit is clearly in you – and JustAskin, if only with a touch of the melodramatics ( A kind of John the baptist – a kind of Jesus but in sackcloth, sandleless, shouting in the wilderness land where the Spirit and truth of God fell on deaf ears – stone and dust, dried vegetables and creeping insects.)
And Irene and Georg PLEASE just believe what Jesus said. That He WAS risen in the flesh and He meant what He said, that's all you have to do. Everything else you say is fine. Please, it's such a simple thing to believe in the words of Jesus. Once you believe then you believe.
Quote (Istari @ Jan. 04 2011,14:22) Irene, I am glad to see you are asking questions.
maybe we can get to the truth finally.Your problem is you were misled by Mikeboll64 who realised afterwards that he was wrong.
Spiritual Body he was making bones about because he was straining at trying to say that Spirits have bodies but could find no proof – in fact NOTHING AT ALL – why BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING.
If Scriptures had meant to say that Spirits had bodies it would have done in TWO OTHER PLACES also…Scriptures ALWAYS QUALIFIES ITSELF.Irene, please believe me – GOD KNOWS that man would try to corrupt the Gospels and put safeguards in PLACE – EVERYTHING is REPEATED so that if it is corrupted in one place there are two others to reconcile the dissolve the corruption.
Scriptures is no place says that Spirits have bodies. And why should it – the very word SPIRIT – means IMMATERIAL – No Matter – invisible – formless.
Further SPIRITUAL BODY – Means a body that is SINLESS, incorruptible, Pure, Godly. There is not a single notion of 'SPIRIT BEING' in the term “SPIRITUAL BODY”.
Irene, it is MIKEBOLL64 that led you this way – both you and TERRARICCA…you were angry at JustAskin and wanted to 'get back at him' ad Satan seized your anger through Mikeboll64 to lead you astray.
Then Mikevoll64 realising he was wrong – started arguing against you to give him a way out – He used Shimmer to hide behind and say “AH Shimmer, You made me see light – i believe”. What he meant was “Here's my chance” and he took it – that's why I told you he would leave you and go over to through even in a deceitful way leaving you still holding falsity.
You chose to play to the devils Music – now you cannot stop until he says so…And you know know that you want to but you cannot…
But Irene, you can – just BELIEVE. Have Faith.
This is a silly thing to fall away from Christ and God for – You knew when I asked to respond in the Holy Spirit that you could not – why not HOLD to the Holy Spirit – EVERYONE HERE is here to welcome you and George.
– Shimmer would be delighted.Mikeboll64 has made his way over – sort of and left you on the other side – be careful of him next time.
And Irene, I have not changed my mind from the beginning – i have always said “Spiritual Body: FLESH and BONE”.
it is your misunderstanding led by Mikeboll64 that leads you to think there is a difference.
Irene, SPIRITUAL does not mean SPIRIT. Even George had to screw around trying to make it fit by say 'drop the UAL' – Irene, even you must have said “George, that was extremely silly, dear!”
Irene, what does it feel like when you know you are lying against the Holy spirit – do you not fear God?
Astartithis are angels not men Paul talks about ;1Co 4:9 For it seems to me that God has put us apostles on display at the end of the procession, like men condemned to die in the arena. We have been made a spectacle to the whole universe, to angels as well as to men.
1Co 6:3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!Gal 3:19 What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator.
Heb 1:14 Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?
so Paul calls the angels spirits and yet they are ministering to men,
in Gen;Lot talk to them and see them ,
so do they have body s wen they can be seen and still have a heavenly body wen the ministering men
Rev 5:11 Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders.
so what do you think this number of angels come from ?
are they all in one or are they individuals??of cause you can be like ;Ac 23:8 (The Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, and that there are neither angels nor spirits
this is all men privilege to accept scriptures or there own view.
Pierre
Irene, what does it feel like when you know you are lying against the Holy spirit – do you not fear God?
Do you fear God? If you did you would not keep on accusing me and Mike. I am my own person, my believes come directly out of the word of God and not from Mike…..And if you knew me you would know that….You should go to the Members profile there you see what and where they come from….if you even care….
Peace IreneHi Istari,
I find it hard to be conclusive with regard to the wording “Spiritual Body”.
I believe our “Spiritual Body” currently lives within our Physical body.
And I believe in the resurrection we will have “Dimension Bodies”.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgTerraricca,
You notice I did not mention you in the post to Irene.
Why. Well this last post was your worst.
I pondered a long while before even deciding to respond to it.
What has ANYTHING YOU JUST WROTE got to do with Spirits having bodies??
And even for Revelation…you gonna tell me that you don't know that it is SYMBOLIC – Yeah, go on TERRARICCA, tell me you didn't know – you the man who says he KNOWS NOTHING – the only truth you've spoken in a long while TERRRICCA.
See, I spelt you name right so you can't say “That not me”.
Quote (Istari @ Jan. 04 2011,09:49) Shimmer,
from reading the back posts I see that you and Justaskin have both travelled hand in hand on many things here.You appear to be both in the Spirit and in the Spirit – anything is possible. the truth of the Spirit is clearly in you – and JustAskin, if only with a touch of the melodramatics ( A kind of John the baptist – a kind of Jesus but in sackcloth, sandleless, shouting in the wilderness land where the Spirit and truth of God fell on deaf ears – stone and dust, dried vegetables and creeping insects.)
Ha ha. Yes. I just get confused sometimes, and what I say comes out wrong, or I say 'I don't know' especially when my son is talking to me as He is now, multi tasking can be hard sometimes when it come's to things like this, then, at night, i'm feeling tired, that's all. But, I read all of JustAskins posts and they truely amazed me.Irene,
NO I do not care to look.it is clear that you do not get your direction from God – God would not direct you to LIE against his Holy Word.
So that says it right there – and YET Irene – YOU KNOW this because you admitted lying about CELESTIAL BODIES and SPIRITUAL BODIES.
And you even claimed that TERRESTRIAL BODIES were “Sun Moon and Stars”… when every school kid knows that TERRESTRIAL is “of the earth”.
What is Territory
what is Terrain
what is SubTerranean
What is a Terrasaurus?
What is Terra Firma?
Was it not embarrassing to have said that (What, no! Well, that explains everything then)
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