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- January 3, 2011 at 10:58 am#231244kerwinParticipant
David,
Why do you believe a hypothetical alteration of Jesus’ features support the idea he is an immaterial being? I do not see a link. Were Jesus’ feature also changed during the transfiguration event?
I do see where Jesus appearing as if from nowhere can lead to the speculation that he materialized from an immaterial being but only if a person is ignorant of the story of Balaam and his mule. In that story the angel appeared to Balaam as if from nowhere though the mule could see him the whole time. Scripture tells us that God blinded Balaam to the sight of the angel.
Scripture tells us Moses died before the Children of Israel entered the Promised Land and his body was the center of dispute between the archangel Michael and the Devil. It also tells us he was alive and in a material body that required a tent to be built for it when he spoke to Jesus during the transfiguration event. That would demonstrate Moses was raised to a spiritual body first. Instead Jesus is the firstborn from the dead in context to those being buried in his death and resurrected in him.
Jesus did not sacrifice his human soul as a soul is the essential person. He did sacrifice the breath of life God gave to him and it was returned to him because it is unthinkable that a human that never sinned would see decay as “the wages of sin are death”.
Jesus’ act of self sacrifice is the ransom, not his eternal life, His act fulfilled God’s desire for mercy instead of sacrifice.
I cannot see a person living in Egypt so therefore that person must be immaterial. That is the kind of reasoning that states that Jesus is an immaterial person because he now dwells in heaven. Steven is recorded as seeing Jesus in a vision which would be like me seeing a person dwelling in Egypt on the television set.
Adam was figuratively two men. The first man was the body of flesh God transformed from the dirt of the ground. The second man was the breath from heaven that gave him life. Philo of Alexander, A Jew of Jesus' time, states something of the sort in his treatise on creation.
As scripture states all flesh is not the same why do you conclude all flesh is the same when interpreting the words flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of heaven especially when addition criteria are listed. If it is so clear cut then why bother to make the point that all flesh is not the same and why add the additional criteria?
January 3, 2011 at 11:03 am#231245BakerParticipantQuote (shimmer @ Jan. 03 2011,20:21) Quote (Baker @ Jan. 03 2011,22:13) Quote (shimmer @ Jan. 03 2011,20:06) That's not true Georg what you say, and any other site would have banned you, and Terrarica, and David and EdJ for speaking things like you do. Look for yourself. Go on any other Christian website and try and say what you are saying here !
Which post are you referring to?Georg
This;
Quote When Jesus appeared to the apostles he did not stop being a spirit being, he just took on for the moment the form of a flesh being, so that he could be seen. If you would understand what the ransom is, you would not need scripture to tell you that the flesh body of Jesus had to remain in the grave.
Why is it that people think Jesus was raised in the same body he was buried in? is it not for the fact that no body was found? Is that the prove?
There is no logic to think that Jesus had a flesh body for the time he spend on earth, before he ascended to heaven.
Thats all I have to say though.
Shimmer! Just because Georg does not agree with you that Jesus was not flesh and blood, you think now that He should be banned?
Are you kidding me?? With all the insults that we have been getting, you say that?? Give me a break……..Irene.January 3, 2011 at 11:12 am#231246ProclaimerParticipantQuote (JustAskin @ Dec. 27 2010,15:17) Spirit Body…Can anyone show Scriptural Support for “SPIRIT BODY” to help Mikeboll64 out of his sticky situation…?
Excuse my possible ignorance, but is this not what he is saying?1 Corinthians 15:44
it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.January 3, 2011 at 11:36 am#231248shimmerParticipantQuote (Baker @ Jan. 03 2011,23:03) Shimmer! Just because Georg does not agree with you that Jesus was not flesh and blood,
First bock Jay received was over what you have have just done to me Irene.WHEN have I said that Jesus was flesh and blood ? I said flesh and bone Irene.
so, do you get a block now too ?
This is what Mike said to Jay, page 117, and he was given a block 5 minutes after for it.
Quote Mike
Quote 1. Publically apologize and fix it.
2. Quote the post of my words where I said Jesus had flesh and bone in heaven.
3. Receive a block.So I believe you owe me a public apology or you should recieve a block….I dont really but just saying !
January 3, 2011 at 11:36 am#231537terrariccaParticipantQuote (shimmer @ Jan. 04 2011,03:06) That's not true Georg what you say, and any other site would have banned you, and Terrarica, and David and EdJ for speaking things like you do. Look for yourself. Go on any other Christian website and try and say what you are saying here !
shimmerwhy is it that you send us away,it is easier for one person to leave,think about it.
this forum is not a day care;we would like to exchange scripture truth,not challenges this is were JA and mike and others get burn.
so if you have knowledge of some understanding and wish to share it that's good.
then so present it with scriptures ,not opinions,
this is not the place to look for 10 minute of glory,
and do not confused love with liking someone,
this is what I see
Pierre
January 3, 2011 at 11:38 am#231538shimmerParticipantTerrarica, you should have recieved a block for telling me I dont know God or His son terrarica. But you didnt . It was ignored.
Sorry t8, hope you had a good holiday.
January 3, 2011 at 11:40 am#231539BakerParticipantQuote (Istari @ Jan. 03 2011,17:07) Irene, Even your old pal, MIKEBOLL64 says Jesus is SPIRIT and n longer says “There are Bodies in heaven” but that there are Spirits in Heaven.
Did i not say that even Mikeboll64 would do better than you…how did i know to say that? Easy, it's written on you, it's in the DNA of your writing… You are like a Mike, a bolldog – once you have something between your teeth your jaws lock and even you cannot unlock it, but worse than Mikeboll64 because Mikeboll64 twists and thrashes around and gets away when he realises he is heading down into the deep, but you remain thinking to ride it out – bad move, Irene, bad move!!
Hey, I know I said that I was not going to post to you any longer. But I am curious are you JustAskin? You sound just like Him……
and you know how to look through the blood, how interesting….i wish I could do so…….
Peace IreneJanuary 3, 2011 at 11:41 am#231540BakerParticipantQuote (shimmer @ Jan. 03 2011,21:36) Quote (Baker @ Jan. 03 2011,23:03) Shimmer! Just because Georg does not agree with you that Jesus was not flesh and blood,
First bock Jay received was over what you have have just done to me Irene.WHEN have I said that Jesus was flesh and blood ? I said flesh and bone Irene.
so, do you get a block now too ?
This is what Mike said to Jay, page 117, and he was given a block 5 minutes after for it.
Quote Mike
Quote 1. Publically apologize and fix it.
2. Quote the post of my words where I said Jesus had flesh and bone in heaven.
3. Receive a block.So I believe you owe me a public apology or you should recieve a block….I dont really but just saying !
Shimmer! what did I do to you?
IreneJanuary 3, 2011 at 11:45 am#231541BakerParticipantQuote (shimmer @ Jan. 03 2011,20:06) That's not true Georg what you say, and any other site would have banned you, and Terrarica, and David and EdJ for speaking things like you do. Look for yourself. Go on any other Christian website and try and say what you are saying here !
Shimmer! I responded to you because of what you said to Georg. What did He do?
Peace IreneJanuary 3, 2011 at 11:48 am#231542BakerParticipantQuote (shimmer @ Jan. 03 2011,21:36) Quote (Baker @ Jan. 03 2011,23:03) Shimmer! Just because Georg does not agree with you that Jesus was not flesh and blood,
First bock Jay received was over what you have have just done to me Irene.WHEN have I said that Jesus was flesh and blood ? I said flesh and bone Irene.
so, do you get a block now too ?
This is what Mike said to Jay, page 117, and he was given a block 5 minutes after for it.
Quote Mike
Quote 1. Publically apologize and fix it.
2. Quote the post of my words where I said Jesus had flesh and bone in heaven.
3. Receive a block.So I believe you owe me a public apology or you should recieve a block….I don't really but just saying !
Shimmer! I don't think that mike gave Him a tile because of what you said here. He had been abusive all along until that point. Look at page 13 You should ask Mike….Peace IreneJanuary 3, 2011 at 12:14 pm#231543terrariccaParticipantQuote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 27 2010,17:42) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 27 2010,08:01) hi Mike this is my view base;
Ge 4:4 But Abel brought fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The LORD looked with favor on Abel and his offering,Ex 12:1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron in Egypt,
Ex 12:2 “This month is to be for you the first month, the first month of your year.
Ex 12:3 Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb for his family, one for each household.
Ex 12:4 If any household is too small for a whole lamb, they must share one with their nearest neighbor, having taken into account the number of people there are. You are to determine the amount of lamb needed in accordance with what each person will eat.
Ex 12:5 The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect, and you may take them from the sheep or the goats.
Ex 12:6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the people of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight.
Ex 12:7 Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs.
Ex 12:8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast.
Ex 12:9 Do not eat the meat raw or cooked in water, but roast it over the fire—head, legs and inner parts.
Ex 12:10 Do not leave any of it till morning; if some is left till morning, you must burn it.
Ex 12:11 This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; it is the LORD'S Passover.Ex 12:43 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, “These are the regulations for the Passover:
“No foreigner is to eat of it.
Ex 12:48 “An alien living among you who wants to celebrate the LORD'S Passover must have all the males in his household circumcised; then he may take part like one born in the land. No uncircumcised male may eat of itEx 34:25 “Do not offer the blood of a sacrifice to me along with anything containing yeast,
Nu 9:12 They must not leave any of it till morning or break any of its bones. When they celebrate the Passover, they must follow all the regulations.
Dt 16:2 Sacrifice as the Passover to the LORD your God an animal from your flock or herd at the place the LORD will choose as a dwelling for his Name.(THIS IS OUR HEARTHS)
Dt 16:2 Sacrifice as the Passover to the LORD your God an animal from your flock or herd at the place the LORD will choose as a dwelling for his Name.
Mt 26:18 He replied, “Go into the city to a certain man and tell him, ‘The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.’
Jesus’ disciples asked him, “Where do you want us to go and make preparations for you to eat the Passover?”
Lk 22:15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.
Jn 13:1 It was just before the Passover Feast. Jesus knew that the time had come for him to leave this world and go to the Father. Having loved his own who were in the world, he now showed them the full extent of his love.
Heb 11:28 By faith he kept the Passover and the sprinkling of blood, so that the destroyer of the firstborn would not touch the firstborn of Israel.
1Co 5:7 Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.
1Co 5:7 Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.
Jn 6:55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
Jn 6:56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.
Jn 6:63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.Phil 3:3 For it is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the Spirit of God, who glory in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh—
Lev 7:16 “ ‘If, however, his offering is the result of a vow or is a freewill offering, the sacrifice shall be eaten on the day he offers it, but anything left over may be eaten on the next day.
Lev 7:17 Any meat of the sacrifice left over till the third day must be burned up.Lev 7:16 “ ‘If, however, his offering is the result of a vow or is a freewill offering, the sacrifice shall be eaten on the day he offers it, but anything left over may be eaten on the next day.
Lev 7:17 Any meat of the sacrifice left over till the third day must be burned up.Ro 3:25 God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood (live is in the blood). He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished—
Eph 5:2 and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
Heb 10:5 Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:
“Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but a body you prepared for me;
Heb 10:10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the BODY of Jesus Christ once for all.1Jn 2:2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
1Jn 4:10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.This is in short what make me believe that Christ was resurrected in spirit,Just as the body of Moses was take away and out of the hands of men ,so it was with the body of Christ ,the usefulness of that body after the sacrifice was made was so ended.
what Paul explain is that the shadow of the law has now become real.this also need understanding.
Pierre
Hi Pierre,That's a nice list of scriptures. Would you be so kind as to point out which one of them says it was the BODY of Jesus that was sacrificed……..instead of the BLOOD of Jesus?
Or at least why you think any ONE of them points your thoughts in that direction?
Thanks. Peace and Love to you,
mike
Mikei think i never answered this question
it is almost like having a egg omelet but not breaking the shell,is it not ??
Mt 26:26 While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.”
Mt 26:27 Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you.
Mt 26:28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.Lk 22:19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”
Lk 22:20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.the Israelites could not eat the lamb with the blood and the lamb cannot live without blood and you can not eat the lamb if you do not pour the blood out of it,
in a simple way;the blood is the seal of the new covenant and unless the blood was poured we could not eat the flesh OR IN OTHER WORDS ;BENEFIT FROM IT.
A
ND WE STILL GROANING TO BENEFIT FULLY OF IT.Pierre
January 3, 2011 at 12:39 pm#231547shimmerParticipantQuote (Baker @ Jan. 03 2011,23:45) Quote (shimmer @ Jan. 03 2011,20:06) That's not true Georg what you say, and any other site would have banned you, and Terrarica, and David and EdJ for speaking things like you do. Look for yourself. Go on any other Christian website and try and say what you are saying here !
Shimmer! I responded to you because of what you said to Georg. What did He do?
Peace Irene
Irene, don't take it personal. I believe as I have read in the scriptures that believeing that Jesus was risen in the flesh is essential to salvation. All I am trying to do is help, but people arent seeing it that way. Mike has seen truth, and I was upset that people are trying to take Him away from that. Everyone is trying to take Him away from that. So, it worries me. And people get so desperate that they revert to saying thing's such as Terrrarica said to me. Do you think that it didn't hurt me when Terrarica told me I didn't know God or His Son ? Did I get an apology ? No. Why did He say that ? I tell you why, it's because I was saying Jesus was not just a Spirit when He was raised. That's why. That He was flesh and bone, that's why. And STILL despite all the scriptures that are shown, especially Jesus saying Himself that He was flesh and bone, still, the debate goes on.http://www.truediscipleship.com/Questio….ns7.htm
How important is Christ’s Resurrection?
While some people may simply dismiss this question as inconsequential, Scripture says that Christ’s resurrection is essential for our eternal salvation. Paul declared, “If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation”(Rom. 10:9-10). Did God raise Jesus from the dead? Yes. In order to be saved from our sins, we must believe in this fundamental fact of the gospel (1 Cor. 15:1-11). If Christ did not literally rise from the dead, we are hopeless: “If Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins” (1 Cor. 15:17; cf. vv. 12-22). If Jesus’ body merely dissolved into gasses or if God simply “removed” His body to some unknown location on earth, we will perish in our sins!
Let us we willing to “exhort in sound doctrine” and “refute those who contradict” this sound doctrine concerning the resurrection of Christ Jesus (Titus 1:9). Let us not only believe that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, but also believe that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures (1 Cor. 15:3-4). This is the only faith that saves.
So It is important to me Irene, and that is why I say that I hope you and Georg will also will see this truth. And Terrarica. And David.
January 3, 2011 at 12:44 pm#231548theodorejParticipantQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 03 2011,00:28) Quote (theodorej @ Jan. 03 2011,00:23) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 03 2011,00:15) Quote (theodorej @ Jan. 03 2011,00:05) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 27 2010,01:55) To All……….The whole concept of Flesh and blood can't enter the kingdom of Heaven , has nothing to do with flesh and blood going into outer space at all. What it has to do with is that the flesh and blood part of Man in not capable of entering the kingdom of GOD, because flesh and blood is not (Spirit), Spirit is what is (IN) flesh and blood , the body is just a temple or house for the spirit and the Spirit of GOD , which is where the Kingdom of God is, It the SPIRIT of GOD, can inter into that flesh and blood body, it was (IN) Jesus , the kingdom of God was working (in Jesus who was a flesh and blood being). “THE KINGDOM OF GOD COMES WITHOUT (OBSERVATION) IT IS (WITHIN) YOU”, can't anyone here understand that? SPIRITS DO NOT HAVE BODIES OF ANY KIND THEY NEVER DID, SPIRIT IS USELESS WITHOUT A BODY OF SOME KIND TO BE IN AND ANIMATE. Why do you think GOD created a (PHYSICAL) universe and created the earth with its billions of various (PHYSICAL) life forms in it, in the first place, these life forms are places for spirits to dwell and cause life to be lived and function, and that includes Man.
God is not going to destory his creation ever, but will deliver it from its bondage of corruption and cause it to exist for ever. There is absolutely nothing wrong with our wonderful world we live in , its just the evil that is effecting it that needs to be removed and it will turn into a paradise of beauty and spindler giving Glory to its creator our heavenly FATHER the ONE AND ONLY CREATOR GOD for ever. IMO
Peace and love…………………………………gene
Greetings Gene…..The kingdom/government of God will be a physical kingdom with various levels of authority….the kingdom you speak of that is in your heart is some kind of a euphoric sensation or trance we have the ability to put ourselves in….You are correct God is not going to destroy his creation nor is he going to allow some median or sorcerer to prophetise its demise….He Will step in just before we destroy his creation…That time is at hand.
Hi Theodore J,Aren't you overlooking this verses to say what you said?
Luke 17:20-21 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees,
when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said,
The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say,
Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. (Rev.2:15)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Greetings Ed…..At the time Jesus was preaching the Gospel(good news of the Coming Kingdom of God)….It is obvious that the kingdom/government is not here yet nor was it at that time,however the truth of it was in the hearts and minds of the believers of Jesus time and Luke clearly stated that…
Hi Theodore J,It is obvious that God (according to atheists) don't exist.
Are they right (according to your logic) too?God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Greetings ED….Iam not denying the existance of God,however Iam rejecting your premise that the day of the Lord is already here….The scriptures are pretty clear as to the turn of events that will take place when God is filled with wrath…and the Day Of The Lord is upon us…January 3, 2011 at 3:39 pm#231557BakerParticipantQuote (shimmer @ Jan. 03 2011,22:39) Quote (Baker @ Jan. 03 2011,23:45) Quote (shimmer @ Jan. 03 2011,20:06) That's not true Georg what you say, and any other site would have banned you, and Terrarica, and David and EdJ for speaking things like you do. Look for yourself. Go on any other Christian website and try and say what you are saying here !
Shimmer! I responded to you because of what you said to Georg. What did He do?
Peace Irene
Irene, don't take it personal. I believe as I have read in the scriptures that believeing that Jesus was risen in the flesh is essential to salvation. All I am trying to do is help, but people arent seeing it that way. Mike has seen truth, and I was upset that people are trying to take Him away from that. Everyone is trying to take Him away from that. So, it worries me. And people get so desperate that they revert to saying thing's such as Terrrarica said to me. Do you think that it didn't hurt me when Terrarica told me I didn't know God or His Son ? Did I get an apology ? No. Why did He say that ? I tell you why, it's because I was saying Jesus was not just a Spirit when He was raised. That's why. That He was flesh and bone, that's why. And STILL despite all the scriptures that are shown, especially Jesus saying Himself that He was flesh and bone, still, the debate goes on.http://www.truediscipleship.com/Questio….ns7.htm
How important is Christ’s Resurrection?
While some people may simply dismiss this question as inconsequential, Scripture says that Christ’s resurrection is essential for our eternal salvation. Paul declared, “If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation”(Rom. 10:9-10). Did God raise Jesus from the dead? Yes. In order to be saved from our sins, we must believe in this fundamental fact of the gospel (1 Cor. 15:1-11). If Christ did not literally rise from the dead, we are hopeless: “If Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins” (1 Cor. 15:17; cf. vv. 12-22). If Jesus’ body merely dissolved into gasses or if God simply “removed” His body to some unknown location on earth, we will perish in our sins!
Let us we willing to “exhort in sound doctrine” and “refute those who contradict” this sound doctrine concerning the resurrection of Christ Jesus (Titus 1:9). Let us not only believe that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, but also believe that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures (1 Cor. 15:3-4). This is the only faith that saves.
So It is important to me Irene, and that is why I say that I hope you and Georg will also will see this truth. And Terrarica. And David.
Hi Shimmer! I agree that Pierre should not have said what He did.
And yes, I would be upset too if someone would have said that to me. As far as I taken Mike away from believing that Jesus was raised in the flesh, I don't think Mike is a wish i wash i. Neither am I. We all have to be fully convinced, which right now I question that the ransom would not be in effect if Jesus would have been risen in a flesh body…..I am putting this in God's hands, if I am wrong, I know that He will let me know in due time. Mike and I had previously agreed to agree to disagree, and left it at that….So I will do the same with you….OK I took a look at that site, one thing especially that makes me wonder why they said it is important to think that Jesus was raised from the death. they made it sound like if you believe that He was raised a Spirit being that would have an impact on my salvation. That I don't believe at all….That is not what it says, I do believe that Jesus rose from the death. And it also says that whoever does not believe that Christ came in the flesh is Anti-Christ….I believe that too, and as far as I know everyone on here does too.Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
No mention of either flesh or spirit.
1Cr 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Cr 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.
I have asked this too, is this for Jesus too? I think so….
Peace Irene
January 3, 2011 at 4:41 pm#231568BakerParticipantQuote (shimmer @ Jan. 03 2011,20:21) Quote (Baker @ Jan. 03 2011,22:13) Quote (shimmer @ Jan. 03 2011,20:06) That's not true Georg what you say, and any other site would have banned you, and Terrarica, and David and EdJ for speaking things like you do. Look for yourself. Go on any other Christian website and try and say what you are saying here !
Which post are you referring to?Georg
This;
Quote When Jesus appeared to the apostles he did not stop being a spirit being, he just took on for the moment the form of a flesh being, so that he could be seen. If you would understand what the ransom is, you would not need scripture to tell you that the flesh body of Jesus had to remain in the grave.
Why is it that people think Jesus was raised in the same body he was buried in? is it not for the fact that no body was found? Is that the prove?
There is no logic to think that Jesus had a flesh body for the time he spend on earth, before he ascended to heaven.
Thats all I have to say though.
Check it out, you said nothing.Georg
January 3, 2011 at 4:43 pm#231569BakerParticipantQuote (t8 @ Jan. 03 2011,21:12) Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 27 2010,15:17) Spirit Body…Can anyone show Scriptural Support for “SPIRIT BODY” to help Mikeboll64 out of his sticky situation…?
Excuse my possible ignorance, but is this not what he is saying?1 Corinthians 15:44
it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
Yes, but he thinks it is the “natural” body that is changed in a “spirit” body.Georg
January 3, 2011 at 4:47 pm#231571BakerParticipantQuote (shimmer @ Jan. 03 2011,21:36) Quote (Baker @ Jan. 03 2011,23:03) Shimmer! Just because Georg does not agree with you that Jesus was not flesh and blood,
First bock Jay received was over what you have have just done to me Irene.WHEN have I said that Jesus was flesh and blood ? I said flesh and bone Irene.
so, do you get a block now too ?
This is what Mike said to Jay, page 117, and he was given a block 5 minutes after for it.
Quote Mike
Quote 1. Publically apologize and fix it.
2. Quote the post of my words where I said Jesus had flesh and bone in heaven.
3. Receive a block.So I believe you owe me a public apology or you should recieve a block….I dont really but just saying !
Have you ever seen a flesh body that had no blood?Had Jesus said, “flesh and blood”, would you have thought he had no bones?
Georg
January 3, 2011 at 4:50 pm#231572BakerParticipantQuote (shimmer @ Jan. 03 2011,21:38) Terrarica, you should have recieved a block for telling me I dont know God or His son terrarica. But you didnt . It was ignored. Sorry t8, hope you had a good holiday.
Why not hand out chips, then we can play poker.I thought God's son was Jesus.
Georg
January 3, 2011 at 4:56 pm#231574BakerParticipantThis thread has turned into the “funny page” of heaven net.
I have said what ever I could say in regard to the subject of “spirit, spirit body, and spiritual body”; I am done here, and if you expect a reply for what ever, PM me.
Georg
January 3, 2011 at 5:19 pm#231576terrariccaParticipantQuote (shimmer @ Jan. 04 2011,04:38) Terrarica, you should have recieved a block for telling me I dont know God or His son terrarica. But you didnt . It was ignored. Sorry t8, hope you had a good holiday.
shimmernow,why would i say somethink like that?
Pierre
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