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Thank you for your reply Pierre
Quote j42 Ezek;37 as been fulfilled with the coming of Christ ,with the call of the apostles and later the 144k still number not complete got more among the gentiles ,wen all is done then the second pen of sheep are called in ,the ones that will live on the earth ,what does the name of ISRAEL MEAN???
Ok lets look at Ezekiel 37 again. I hope you read these verses very carefully.
Ezekiel 37:1 The hand of the Lord was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the Lord, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones.
Note this particular valley is full of bones. So this valley contains death. We know Israel was scattered throughout the whole earth, but these bones represent all those dead souls, held together in one place.Ezekiel 37:2 And caused me to pass by them round about: and behold, there were very many in the open valley, and lo, they were very dry.
These bones are very dry, meaning they are already very old. Ezekiel was how many years before Christ?Ezekiel 37:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord God, thou knowest.
Ezekiel 37:4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the Lord.
Ezekiel 37:5 Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:
You see this as spiritually speaking and already fulfilled? That Israel was dead spiritually before Christ came.
Q. Did Israel accept their Messiah, Jesus Christ when he came?
Q. Did Israel suddenly start living in the spirit of Christ?
Q. Do a few apostles and followers stand for the whole of Israel?
Q. Do you really think that all this is fulfilled?(Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.)
Q. Did those before Christ, those dead bones, who were already dead long, long ago, crucify the Lord also?Ezekiel 37:6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live: and ye shall know that I am the Lord
Sinews are tendons, connective tissue that attaches the muscle to the bones. Flesh covers these sinews. They will be covered with skin. We are talking flesh here, not spirit. God will put breath into these dead bones, and they shall live. You are missing something so important here Pierre.Ezekiel 37:7 So i prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and Behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.
Ezekiel 37:8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.
Ezekiel 37:9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.
Ezekiel 37:10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.
Flesh breathes in oxygen. God calls it the breath of life, just like he gave Adam and Eve.
Q. If this is Israel spiritually speaking, then does spirit need oxygen to live? Were not they already alive according to you?
Q. Is the holy spirit, the same thing as the breath of life?Ezekiel 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
Ezekiel 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
Q. Were not they already in Israel?
Q. Why then does God need to bring them into the land of Israel?
Because that's where the kingdom will be during the Millennium, Pierre.Ezekiel 37:13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves.
Ezekiel 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.
Q. Did Israel ever have the spirit of the Lord in them?
OK, you could say, Israel in 1948 was made a nation again, but did they turn to the Lord? Do they now accept Jesus Christ as their saviour?Romans 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Romans 10:21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Q. After what days?
Q. What does SHALL mean? (Christ already come and gone when Hebrews was written)Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 15 2012,18:36) Rev.20:4.resurrected will reign with Christ for a 1000yrs.
not in heaven,for we dont reign over the angels,but over the jews,and the gentiles.(flesh).
1 Corinthians 6:3
Do you not know that we will judge angels?I've read your scriptures, and recongize them as prophesies that “in that day”, people will again dwell in Jerusalem on earth. But I still don't see any scripture that says “in that day” refers to the 1000 year reign.
(Btw, Rachel was the wife of Jacob, not Abraham.)
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 16 2012,20:23) Ez.37:12.—– I WILL OPEN YOUR GRAVES,AND CAUSE YOU TO COME UP OUT OF YOUR GRAVES,AND —BRING YOU –INTO- THE LAND OF ISRAEL.(brought back). 13. AND YE SHALL KNOW THAT I AM THE LORD,WHEN I HAVE OPENED YOUR GRAVES.
O, MY PEOPLE,AND BROUGHT YOU UP –OUT– OF YOUR GRAVES. (revived and brought back to israel).14. AND SHALL PUT MY SPIRIT IN YOU, AND YE SHALL LIVE,AND I SHALL PLACE YOU IN YOUR —OWN LAND-:
THEN SHALL YE KNOW THAT I THE LORD HAVE SPOKEN IT,AND PERFORMED IT,SAID THE LORD.
How do we know these do not refer to the SECOND resurrection?Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 15 2012,19:24) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 14 2012,03:29) I've always wondered which humans they'll be reigning over, since the “bad” ones are dead, and the “good” ones are the ones reigning.
Exactly Mike! That's why the theory of everyone being destroyed does not fit.
Perhaps the “great multitude” in Rev 7 are the ones who will be reigned over? But they are “before the throne of God” – and not on earth.journey,
I really appreciate the time and effort you put into your posts. The use of different colors, italics, and bolds, etc. really make your posts things of beauty as well as easy to follow.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 19 2012,05:31) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 15 2012,18:36) Rev.20:4.resurrected will reign with Christ for a 1000yrs.
not in heaven,for we dont reign over the angels,but over the jews,and the gentiles.(flesh).
1 Corinthians 6:3
Do you not know that we will judge angels?I've read your scriptures, and recongize them as prophesies that “in that day”, people will again dwell in Jerusalem on earth. But I still don't see any scripture that says “in that day” refers to the 1000 year reign.
(Btw, Rachel was the wife of Jacob, not Abraham.)
MIke B.I like your questions.
1.We indeed will judge satan and his angels.
But we will not rule over the holy angels,but over the
jews that have been brought back from the grave.
We will teach them, and rule with christ for a 1000yrs.How can one teach without knowledge?
We need to have knowledge so we can be qualified to
teach.2. When scripture says; THAT DAY it means the Lords
day. His days of reigning on earth,starting from his
coming,to the end of the 1000yrs.3. Rachel is indeed Jacobs wife,I'm sorry,my boo boo.
wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 19 2012,05:36) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 16 2012,20:23) Ez.37:12.—– I WILL OPEN YOUR GRAVES,AND CAUSE YOU TO COME UP OUT OF YOUR GRAVES,AND —BRING YOU –INTO- THE LAND OF ISRAEL.(brought back). 13. AND YE SHALL KNOW THAT I AM THE LORD,WHEN I HAVE OPENED YOUR GRAVES.
O, MY PEOPLE,AND BROUGHT YOU UP –OUT– OF YOUR GRAVES. (revived and brought back to israel).14. AND SHALL PUT MY SPIRIT IN YOU, AND YE SHALL LIVE,AND I SHALL PLACE YOU IN YOUR —OWN LAND-:
THEN SHALL YE KNOW THAT I THE LORD HAVE SPOKEN IT,AND PERFORMED IT,SAID THE LORD.
How do we know these do not refer to the SECOND resurrection?
Hi MikeB.That will happen together with the resurrection of the saints.(first resurrection) the difference is they(jews only) will be brougt back to life(revived,not resurrected.).
Satan is still alive but in prison,and his angels are still free,to resist the teachings.The second resurrection consist of all people, of all generations and of all religions,and believes.
This is the final seperation between the good and the bad.This will happen when satan is no more.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2012,15:40) When scripture says; THAT DAY it means the Lords
day. His days of reigning on earth,starting from his
coming,to the end of the 1000yrs.
I'm not saying I disagree with you here, but is there a scripture that explicitely explains that “in that day” refers to the 1000 year reign?It seems to me that there have been many different “that days” in the scripture – many of which have come and gone.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2012,15:52) The second resurrection consist of all people, of all generations and of all religions,and believes.
But the great multitude in Rev 7 is made up of all nations and tongues, right? And they are those who made it through the great tribulation, right? Surely these people made it through the great tribulation BEFORE the second resurrection – after which I assume there will be no more tribulation.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 19 2012,08:54) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2012,15:40) When scripture says; THAT DAY it means the Lords
day. His days of reigning on earth,starting from his
coming,to the end of the 1000yrs.
I'm not saying I disagree with you here, but is there a scripture that explicitely explains that “in that day” refers to the 1000 year reign?It seems to me that there have been many different “that days” in the scripture – many of which have come and gone.
Hi MikeB..If you could show me scriptures revering THAT DAY,and not mean the Lords day; his day of power.
I would appreciate it.wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 19 2012,08:57) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 18 2012,15:52) The second resurrection consist of all people, of all generations and of all religions,and believes.
But the great multitude in Rev 7 is made up of all nations and tongues, right? And they are those who made it through the great tribulation, right? Surely these people made it through the great tribulation BEFORE the second resurrection – after which I assume there will be no more tribulation.
MikeB.Rev.7. The great multitude are the ones that made it; given white robes,because they were not white before; correct.
They have made it; simply because they have managed to refuse the mark of the beast. They have past the great test.
They have made the right decision. Some died for the Lord. Some in prisoned. This is the first resurrection.
(not forgetting the 144000 are already taken as the first fruits).The second resurrection will occur,after the 1000yrs are finished; after satan has been let loose for a season,after he gathered the nations of the 4quarters of the earth (gog and magog). after satan is destroyed,and his angels.rev20:9.10.
Then the great white throne judgement rev.20:5–15.
Consist of all nations;all generations,all religions,and believes. Judged by the book.After the 2nd resurrection, the earth it self will be cleansed,by melting it, and the heavens also.
Then earth will be as heaven.
Then God himself will come down to earth.
And this is as far as we can see. all is fulfilled.wakeup.
wakeup.
j42
Quote Ezekiel 37:2 And caused me to pass by them round about: and behold, there were very many in the open valley, and lo, they were very dry.
These bones are very dry, meaning they are already very old. Ezekiel was how many years before Christ?the bones that were very dry this does not mean the age,but the lack of truth of God ,
Quote Flesh breathes in oxygen. God calls it the breath of life, just like he gave Adam and Eve.
1)Q. If this is Israel spiritually speaking, then does spirit need oxygen to live? Were not they already alive according to you?
2)Q. Is the holy spirit, the same thing as the breath of life?answer to question 2= no ,the breath of live is the first breath we take to make us bread and live ,it also could mean the understanding God gives to those who look for him,to bring them to live trough Christ ;understand that the world is dead in regard to God ,unless we are revived by God we stay dead ,even if we are alive ,
answer to question 1= Christ said that we have to be reborn ,so we have to take in a new breath of live ,but not oxygene but truth that gives live ,in the same way ,
Quote Ezekiel 37:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord God, thou knowest.
Ezekiel 37:4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the Lord.
Ezekiel 37:5 Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:
You see this as spiritually speaking and already fulfilled? That Israel was dead spiritually before Christ came.
1)Q. Did Israel accept their Messiah, Jesus Christ when he came?
2)Q. Did Israel suddenly start living in the spirit of Christ?
3)Q. Do a few apostles and followers stand for the whole of Israel?
4)Q. Do you really think that all this is fulfilled?A;1) no they did not but that was not the prophesy;it was that God plan was to have a people for his name and that he accomplish,out of the descendand of the patriache ,
A;2)yes ,the ones he call did ,and all that believe in him
A;3) scriptures says that the number can not be counted ;Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
A;4)yes all the preveous questions are
Quote [Perhaps the “great multitude” in Rev 7 are the ones who will be reigned over? But they are “before the throne of God” – and not on earth.
Hi Mike,
Not so, for Rev 7 mentions the sealing of the 144,000.
These are the very elect, and these will be alive at the time of the end, because God told the angel to seal them,
and to hold the four winds, and not hurt the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till they are sealed,
so just before the trumpets start blowing (wrath of God) they will be sealed.
and you will notice that when the trumpets/vials (same thing) are poured out, these sealed ones cannot be touched. So they are alive, during the end times when the False prophet will appear.
They are christians of the last days.
They will not accept the mark of the beast. The plagues will not touch them, because they have the seal of God. (rev 9:4, Rev 16:2 )These 144,000 are the ones that have followed the lamb wheresoever he goes, and will be picked up first at the coming, for they are the firstfruits. (they have been feeding on Christ, and received the truth)
THEN….after the 144,000 are picked up, the rest of the christians who have been through tribulation will join them almost immediately after. These ones have been slain or died in Christ. (all those who followed Christ from the beginning of his ministry to the end times)
How do we know that they will join the 144,000?1 Corinthians 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
All of these, the 144,000 and the rest of the christians are saints. The saints will not be ruled over, but will rule.
The 144,000 just get picked up first.Rev 14:1 And I looked, an lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Fathers name written in their foreheads.
This shows that these 144,000 are with Christ first,
but the rest join shortly after,
both groups are saints regardless.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 19 2012,08:24) journey, I really appreciate the time and effort you put into your posts. The use of different colors, italics, and bolds, etc. really make your posts things of beauty as well as easy to follow.
Thank you Mike,
as some don't like it
j42
Quote This shows that these 144,000 are with Christ first,
1)but the rest join shortly after,
both groups are saints regardless.1)WHAT REST
SUPPOSE TO JOIN SHORTLY AFTER WHAT SCRIPTURE PLEASEj42
Quote THEN….after the 144,000 are picked up, the rest of the christians who have been through tribulation will join them almost immediately after. These ones have been slain or died in Christ. (all those who followed Christ from the beginning of his ministry to the end times)
How do we know that they will join the 144,000?Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts(living creatures), and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
is this scriptures don't contradict your understanding
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 19 2012,12:51) j42 Quote Ezekiel 37:2 And caused me to pass by them round about: and behold, there were very many in the open valley, and lo, they were very dry.
These bones are very dry, meaning they are already very old. Ezekiel was how many years before Christ?the bones that were very dry this does not mean the age,but the lack of truth of God ,
Quote Flesh breathes in oxygen. God calls it the breath of life, just like he gave Adam and Eve.
1)Q. If this is Israel spiritually speaking, then does spirit need oxygen to live? Were not they already alive according to you?
2)Q. Is the holy spirit, the same thing as the breath of life?answer to question 2= no ,the breath of live is the first breath we take to make us bread and live ,it also could mean the understanding God gives to those who look for him,to bring them to live trough Christ ;understand that the world is dead in regard to God ,unless we are revived by God we stay dead ,even if we are alive ,
answer to question 1= Christ said that we have to be reborn ,so we have to take in a new breath of live ,but not oxygene but truth that gives live ,in the same way ,
Quote Ezekiel 37:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord God, thou knowest.
Ezekiel 37:4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the Lord.
Ezekiel 37:5 Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:
You see this as spiritually speaking and already fulfilled? That Israel was dead spiritually before Christ came.
1)Q. Did Israel accept their Messiah, Jesus Christ when he came?
2)Q. Did Israel suddenly start living in the spirit of Christ?
3)Q. Do a few apostles and followers stand for the whole of Israel?
4)Q. Do you really think that all this is fulfilled?A;1) no they did not but that was not the prophesy;it was that God plan was to have a people for his name and that he accomplish,out of the descendand of the patriache ,
A;2)yes ,the ones he call did ,and all that believe in him
A;3) scriptures says that the number can not be counted ;Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
A;4)yes all the preveous questions are
Terra.Ez.37.
1. verse5. breath.
2. verse 6. sinews,flesh,skin,breath.
3. verse 8. sinews,flesh,skin.
4. verse 9. wind as the breath of life.
5. verse11. those bones are the whole house of ISRAEL.
6. verse12. God will bring them into the land of ISRAEL.
7. verse 25. Their children and childrens children(muliply in the flesh). this means they get married.
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Ez.36.1.verse11. God will multiply man and beast.
2.verse.24. God will take them from the heathen,and gather them into their own country,ISRAEL.
3. verse25.God will make them clean.
4. verse 26. God will give them a new heart.
5. verse 27.they will walk in Gods statutes.
6. verse28. They will dwell in ISRAEL.(paradise).
7. verse 35. the land will be as the garden of eden.
8. verse 37.God will increase them with men(have children). this means they marry and have children.I can not make it simpler than this.
wakeup.
j42
1 Corinthians 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
IS THIS SCRIPTURE NOT TALK ABOUT THE RESURRECTION BUT NOT THE PLACE THEY GO
?but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
ARE THEY ANY OTHER THAT ARE REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH
AND WERE IN SCRIPTURES IS IT SAID Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 19 2012,13:44) Terra. Ez.37.
1. verse5. breath.
2. verse 6. sinews,flesh,skin,breath.
3. verse 8. sinews,flesh,skin.
4. verse 9. wind as the breath of life.
5. verse11. those bones are the whole house of ISRAEL.
6. verse12. God will bring them into the land of ISRAEL.
7. verse 25. Their children and childrens children(muliply in the flesh). this means they get married.
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Ez.36.1.verse11. God will multiply man and beast.
2.verse.24. God will take them from the heathen,and gather them into their own country,ISRAEL.
3. verse25.God will make them clean.
4. verse 26. God will give them a new heart.
5. verse 27.they will walk in Gods statutes.
6. verse28. They will dwell in ISRAEL.(paradise).
7. verse 35. the land will be as the garden of eden.
8. verse 37.God will increase them with men(have children). this means they marry and have children.I can not make it simpler than this.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Are you suggesting that this the first resurrection?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgJ42
Quote Terra. Ez.37.
1. verse5. breath.
2. verse 6. sinews,flesh,skin,breath.
3. verse 8. sinews,flesh,skin.
4. verse 9. wind as the breath of life.
5. verse11. those bones are the whole house of ISRAEL.
6. verse12. God will bring them into the land of ISRAEL.
7. verse 25. Their children and childrens children(muliply in the flesh). this means they get married.THE DISCIPLES ARE ALSO CALLED CHILDREN
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