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Why do you all argue back and forth over trivial things?
and draw us into your trivial discussions where pride grows daily among the brethren,
Why don't you instead discuss prophesies that are about to be fulfilled? Things around the corner, things coming upon us soon.Everything we have given you has been rejected!
Every bit of precious knowledge and wisdom, and understanding we wanted to share with you has been trampled on
EVERY BIT OF IT
(and we didn't come preaching ourselves, but the truth, which comes from God, and he is our witness)Discuss amongst yourselves if you are really willing to die for Christ, and hold his testimony till the end?
Discuss what it means to follow the lamb wheresoever he goes, (he went to the grave too don't forget)
Discuss how we are also going to be murdered, like our Lord was, and his apostles & disciples the same
Discuss how God warned us what they are going to do,
and why the plagues come on all the ones who received the Mark?
Discuss Rev 7:11 & Rev 20:4
Discuss amongst yourselves if you are prepared to do this and if not, why?
Discuss how they going to do it to us and get away with it legally
Discuss what it takes to be fully prepared?
Discuss it.Discuss if it is the right thing to do, to warn & prepare our children, family, friends & brethren for what is coming?
Discuss how they are going to throw false accusations at us, and make up stories to take us away,
Discuss the prison camps (FEMA) already built, and awaiting us.
Discuss how some say we are dooms-dayers and live in darkness, but Christ gave us the light?
Discuss what this means?Discuss how short death is? How time stands still in the grave.
With our last breath we die, then in the blink of an eye, we will be with the lord (even though time has gone by for those alive)Discuss how when Christ returns, he will have his reward with him, to give to us
Discuss the glory of being resurrected and gathered unto Christ
Discuss the kingdom, how magnificent it will be, and how the kingdom will be set up on earth in Jerusalem for 1000 years, with Christ & the saints ruling.Discuss how the saints are not just the 12 apostles, but anyone that follows him
Discuss the Israelites chosen by election who will resurrected in the flesh, and given a chance to learn the new covenant and have it established with them (Israelites)
discuss how glorious for them also,
discuss what mercy God has for us, and also themDiscuss God's brilliant ways, how he planned it all out from beginning to end, with a wonderful ending
Discuss something of value please,
discuss end times, and new times comingIf you don't understand something, don't be ashamed, lets discuss, not argue.
this is not a competition.who want's to start?
Journey42.
Good post,we need to know what is coming upon us SOON,very soon.
We need to prepare ours selfs in spirit to receive the Lord when he comes,we can not be like the five foolish virgins.
Every one in the world seems to be talking about DECEMBER 2012. They have the month right but the year wrong.
Every person seems to have this strange feeling that something is up in this world,and the christians are still quibbling about words and translations.
A great delusion is being prepared to trick us into a big trap,and no one seems to care,no one has their eyes open.
Christian churches are also behind this great delusion,but they love their religions so much more than the truth.They are of babylon,
ready to be caught in this big trap.Do you know that the 7th day adv. are also strongly pushing christians to take the number? They already are preaching that the number is not of the beast,
and that the scriptures says that we must obey the rulers,even if we have to suffer,we suffer for God.
In other words: TAKE THE NUMBER.for it is Gods will that we must obey our rulers.(as I have said many years ago).Time is so short,we must prepare our selves and strengthen our selves in the faith,and have our house build on rock,for a great wind is about to come.
The rulers of this world have been working for a long time to to have this world to them selves,and they will succeed for a short time.
They are our enemy,not our masters,for the Lord is.
Blessed is he that when the Lord comes; find him seeking the truth. For they are them the Lords is seeking for.In revelation 17:16.An the 10 horns(kings) which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall HATE THE WHORE(babylon the great),and shall make HER desolate and NAKED and shall eat her flesh and burn her with fire.
They are working on this right now,purposely bankrupting the world system of trading.
And also all religions,for they have a new system ready to put in place.And they call it –THE NEW WOLD ORDER–all is new,acording the will of the coming false prophet.
And his will is that all must worship him; or you will starve, or put in prison,or killed.Your children will starve; how strong is your faith to resist the number?
He who love brother ,sister, father,mother more than me, is not worthy of me.
We must keep our eyes open,and let us not be distracted,by their wicked ways of manipulation.
The first angel is about to sound soon,and then its too late to come to God ,for thats when the door is closed.
Rev.15:8.No man is able to enter into the temple,till the seven plaques of the sven angels WERE FULFILLED.God has chosen our generation to show his coming with great glory,this is the time that all the christians through the generations have been waiting for.
And he has chosen this generation,and we are so occupied with our daily cares.
It is time to look up and be prepared so we can be given white robes,and not be found naked before the Lord when he comes.
Prepare your selves in your faith,so you can resist the devil.
Have your eyes opened by seeking the prophesies,for in them are the times and seasons revealed to us.
To make frieds with the enemy is death,for he is going to kill you also after he has finished with the true chridtians.
He who saves his life is will loose it,and he who loses his livfe for my sake will find life.
wakeup.
j42
Quote Everything we have given you has been rejected!
Every bit of precious knowledge and wisdom, and understanding we wanted to share with you has been trampled on
EVERY BIT OF IT
(and we didn't come preaching ourselves, but the truth, which comes from God, and he is our witness)I do appreciated your comment and explanation,but if they are truth from scriptures ,I do received them as such ,but many were not and so showed you in scriptures what they are ,
but if you preach your understanding I am willing to exchange mine for it ,so that we can be stronger ,
so you start ,:)
Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 08 2012,04:23) Why do you all argue back and forth over trivial things? Why don't you instead discuss prophesies that are about to be fulfilled?
Don't you guys argue back and forth over these prophesies as well?It seems to me that every generation has certain ones who apply the Biblical prophesies to their own generation, reading the signs of their own times into the scriptures.
And many years have come and gone without the fulfillment of these prophesies – although the “prophecy hunters” of those times were dead sure it was going to happen in their own lifetimes, like they predicted.
What makes you guys different, journey? I don't get too involved with the prophecy threads, but it seems to me that Daniel 9:27 speaks of the Messiah's “week long covenant”, and the fact that he will be cut off half way through that week.
If that is the case, then the death of Jesus marked the half-way point of this week long covenant, leaving three and a half more days. And if a day to those in heaven is like a thousand years to us on earth, then this covenant should be coming to an end about 3500 years after Jesus died. That leaves about 1500 more years to go.
Anyway, like I told you in the other thread, I'm on milk when it comes to these things. I don't profess to know anything about these prophesies, and could very well be wrong.
I guess I'm wondering why you guys spend so much time trying to figure out the dates. When it happens, we'll know it's happening. And knowing ahead of time won't change a thing, IMO.
peace,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 09 2012,02:36) Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 08 2012,04:23) Why do you all argue back and forth over trivial things? Why don't you instead discuss prophesies that are about to be fulfilled?
Don't you guys argue back and forth over these prophesies as well?It seems to me that every generation has certain ones who apply the Biblical prophesies to their own generation, reading the signs of their own times into the scriptures.
And many years have come and gone without the fulfillment of these prophesies – although the “prophecy hunters” of those times were dead sure it was going to happen in their own lifetimes, like they predicted.
What makes you guys different, journey? I don't get too involved with the prophecy threads, but it seems to me that Daniel 9:27 speaks of the Messiah's “week long covenant”, and the fact that he will be cut off half way through that week.
If that is the case, then the death of Jesus marked the half-way point of this week long covenant, leaving three and a half more days. And if a day to those in heaven is like a thousand years to us on earth, then this covenant should be coming to an end about 3500 years after Jesus died. That leaves about 1500 more years to go.
Anyway, like I told you in the other thread, I'm on milk when it comes to these things. I don't profess to know anything about these prophesies, and could very well be wrong.
I guess I'm wondering why you guys spend so much time trying to figure out the dates. When it happens, we'll know it's happening. And knowing ahead of time won't change a thing, IMO.
peace,
mike
Hi MikeB.You are not the first one I have heard saying that the second coming could be many years in the future.
The plan to have a one world order is not a secret anymore,its in the open. They are ready to put it into action,and its coming soon,you have enough fingers to count the years when the Lord is coming.
This only means that the false prophet will appear sooner than that.
Israel will serve the king of babylon for 70 years and then she will be visited.This happened back then,but it is happening today also, since 1948 when israel became a nation, she is not serving God, but serving babylon the great,she is yoked with the world.
The kings of the north will come,and take israel,and occupy israel for 3 and a half years.(rev.11:2.).
God has chosen this generation to fulfil his will.
Dont be caught unawares. Need to get ready,have knowledge.God said: My people are destroyed because of lack of knowledge.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 09 2012,09:36) Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 08 2012,04:23) Why do you all argue back and forth over trivial things? Why don't you instead discuss prophesies that are about to be fulfilled?
Don't you guys argue back and forth over these prophesies as well?It seems to me that every generation has certain ones who apply the Biblical prophesies to their own generation, reading the signs of their own times into the scriptures.
And many years have come and gone without the fulfillment of these prophesies – although the “prophecy hunters” of those times were dead sure it was going to happen in their own lifetimes, like they predicted.
What makes you guys different, journey? I don't get too involved with the prophecy threads, but it seems to me that Daniel 9:27 speaks of the Messiah's “week long covenant”, and the fact that he will be cut off half way through that week.
If that is the case, then the death of Jesus marked the half-way point of this week long covenant, leaving three and a half more days. And if a day to those in heaven is like a thousand years to us on earth, then this covenant should be coming to an end about 3500 years after Jesus died. That leaves about 1500 more years to go.
Anyway, like I told you in the other thread, I'm on milk when it comes to these things. I don't profess to know anything about these prophesies, and could very well be wrong.
I guess I'm wondering why you guys spend so much time trying to figure out the dates. When it happens, we'll know it's happening. And knowing ahead of time won't change a thing, IMO.
peace,
mike
Mikeyes, you have it right ,be ready at all time,is to be ready for the coming of our lord,waiting for him while expanding our knowledge in his words and his father words revealed to us ,
strengthening our faith for the days ahead were it could not be possible to do ,no one knows the our or the day ,just signs ,but the interpretation of the signs ;all religions love to profit from it ,just open you TV, and in the churches the scarry tactics works always has,to most of folks ,do to their ignorance of scriptures and the willingness to depend from men guidance.blind guiding the blind.
Hi Georgie,
Are you dissatisfied that there are not more people discussing Prophecy with you?
I have addressed many points in the Prophecy section of this Forum that you just seem to ignore.
Maybe you're instead disappointed because you're expecting others to agree with your futuristic interpretations?We first need to agree on fulfilled Prophecy, do we not?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Mike
Good to see you on here.
Quote Don't you guys argue back and forth over these prophesies as well? We can't just say that the Lord is coming without proof. Everything leads up to it. Event's must take place first, according to God's plan, and these event's are given to us in the OT prophesies, and also in the NT, here and there, and then in Revelations. So we have showed you this, and told you were to find it in the scriptures to check out for yourselves.
eg. these things must take place first, concerning the end times.
10 kings unite, we have shown this with scriptures. REJECTED
They come from the North of Israel. Provided scriptures. REJECTED
A leader will emerge (false prophet) Gave scriptures. REJECTED
Warned you about the Physical Mark he will force everybody receive. Scriptures given. REJECTED
Shown you that the First seal to the 3rd seal (have already already been fulfilled. Third horse still running, and we await the pale horse (false prophet) REJECTED.Quote It seems to me that every generation has certain ones who apply the Biblical prophesies to their own generation, reading the signs of their own times into the scriptures.
Of course, and if they had studied the scriptures carefully, not missing anything, they would of realised even back then, that they were in error. It has to fit the criteria given by God, cannot go outside. This is a cop-out by the christian world. An excuse to remain complacent. They were wrong back then, so we must be wrong now. (Go back to the scriptures)Quote And many years have come and gone without the fulfillment of these prophesies – although the “prophecy hunters” of those times were dead sure it was going to happen in their own lifetimes, like they predicted.
And who were the ones to declared this? Religions. Seventh day adventists, JW's, and a few others. Declaring things they don't understand. In the end they were red faced, so they had to change their doctrine, yet the masses still followed them, and hung on to their every word. If we are serious about the Word of God, we don't participate in religion or organisations. We don't need numbers to feel safe, but trust in the Word of God.Quote What makes you guys different, journey? I don't get too involved with the prophecy threads,
It is good for you to get involved Mike, because it concerns you too. If we give you scripture, you look it up, and if you don't understand anything, you ask questions, and we answer, if you don't agree, you state why, and it goes on. Knowledge can only increase by reading, anylising and discussing.Quote but it seems to me that Daniel 9:27 speaks of the Messiah's “week long covenant”, and the fact that he will be cut off half way through that week.
He was cut off through that week. At the crucifixion (Dan 9:26)Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
This is just going into more detail of “that week” in v26 when he was cut off (crucified)
At his death, his sacrifice replaced all sacrifices, and the Jews no longer under the law, and their holy oblations no more required. God was already tired of them.This prophecy shows God was already tired of them, and they of no use to him anymore,
Isaiah 1:13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.So God planned for them to be officially done away with, at the death and resurrection of Christ. During that week.
“and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.”
Christ is the cornerstone. He is that stumbling block. If any did not recieve the light, then they are still in darkness and therefore the land is desolate of truth, and because of it, comes abominations. “And that determined” (God's plan) will be carried out as spoken in other scriptures upon those that are desolate.
This 70 week prophesy is fulfilled.
I'll address your other points later.Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 09 2012,13:01) Hi Mike Quote It seems to me that every generation has certain ones who apply the Biblical prophesies to their own generation, reading the signs of their own times into the scriptures.
Of course, and if they had studied the scriptures carefully, not missing anything, they would of realised even back then, that they were in error.
That is, if they had somebody to discuss it with them.
Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 09 2012,13:01) This 70 week prophesy is fulfilled.
Hi Georgie,Agreed!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (journey42 @ Sep. 09 2012,13:01) Hi Mike Quote What makes you guys different, journey? I don't get too involved with the prophecy threads,
It is good for you to get involved Mike, because it concerns you too. If we give you scripture, you look it up, and if you don't understand anything, you ask questions, and we answer, if you don't agree, you state why, and it goes on. Knowledge can only increase by reading, anylising and discussing.
Hi Georgie,What do you do when someone runs away?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgj42
Quote “and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.” this was fulfilled in 70 AD
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 09 2012,13:40) j42 Quote “and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.” this was fulfilled in 70 AD
Terra.That was fulfilled in their time and it will be fulfilled in our time also.
Israel is serving babylon today,since 1948.and it will be serving babylon for 70yrs and then israel will be visited.(punished),the families of the north will come like a flood. And the holy city shall they tread under foot for 3,half yrs.
wakeup.
Thanks for the responses, guys. I'm still wondering WHY it's important for me to know the dates.
I keep hearing things like:
…..we need to know what is coming upon us SOON,very soon.
Dont be caught unawares. Need to get ready,have knowledge.
It is good for you to get involved Mike, because it concerns you too.
But my understanding is that Jesus will come like a theif in the night, and it will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing what he's supposed to be doing when he returns.
Is it crucial to my chance of everlasting life to know ahead of time when these things will occur? If so, why? Will they not happen as God has planned with or without my foreknowledge?
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 10 2012,05:39) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 09 2012,13:40) j42 Quote “and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.” this was fulfilled in 70 AD
Terra.That was fulfilled in their time and it will be fulfilled in our time also.
Israel is serving babylon today,since 1948.and it will be serving babylon for 70yrs and then israel will be visited.(punished),the families of the north will come like a flood. And the holy city shall they tread under foot for 3,half yrs.
wakeup.
wupsorry ,but no ,this is one occurrence not two,in 70AD it was the end of the Moses temple laws,from then on ,no Jew could worship his God according to Moses requirement because the temple as been destroyed.no Levites,no priesthood,done finish.
now only the new covenant through the Son of God,
all in the spirit ,NO MORE WORLDLY KINGDOM ,NO POWERS GIVEN TO MEN S KINGDOM THEY JUST ARE NOW PUPPETS IN THE WILL OF THE KING OF KINGS AND lORD OF lORDS,JESUS CHRIST,HIS KINGDOM WILL EXTERMINATE ALL OTHERS.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 10 2012,03:21) Thanks for the responses, guys. I'm still wondering WHY it's important for me to know the dates. I keep hearing things like:
…..we need to know what is coming upon us SOON,very soon.
Dont be caught unawares. Need to get ready,have knowledge.
It is good for you to get involved Mike, because it concerns you too.
But my understanding is that Jesus will come like a theif in the night, and it will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing what he's supposed to be doing when he returns.
Is it crucial to my chance of everlasting life to know ahead of time when these things will occur? If so, why? Will they not happen as God has planned with or without my foreknowledge?
MikeB.When you are aware of something coming; like war, or famine ;at least you can prepare yourself with storing up food.
But in this case,we store up spiritual knowledge,because no storing up food will save anyone from what is coming. You jump out of the frying pan;the fire will get you.
Only the Lord will be our refuge.Jesus said; take heed,they shall persecute you in the synagogue.
They will do it to us also,if we refuse to obey his(the f.p) rules to be chipped? The armies are already training in the cities in the usa.When you know it is going to rain today,and you have to walk to work;what do you do? you get prepared,carry an umbrella.
I heard on the news today.
Sweden is slowly withdrawing cash from circulation.
What does this mean?This means that the rest will follow soon.This means that we will depend on our credit cards only; Then what will come after this? We will be the credit card. They will do away with the plastic,and put the chip in us.
So what? Not so what, if you are a true christian,for by taking the mark means, that you are submitting to satan and his man,to save your family and your own life,and we know what Jesus said about trying to save your own life. You will loose it.
We as true christians must refuse that,but can not be done without strong faith,and knowledge.Our children will be screaming for food, friends ad relatives,will put
pressure on you saying: for the sake of the children,just take the chip; God does not want this to happen to children?
God is love remember. Or you are going overboard with this religion: Some will even blow the wistle on you,thinking they are helping the children.
wakeup.
mikeboll64,Sep. wrote:[/quote]
Quote Thanks for the responses, guys. I'm still wondering WHY it's important for me to know the dates.
Because you are living in the end times also Mike, and before Christ returns, prophesies have to be fulfilled. The false prophet must emerge first, and the world (europe) is welcoming and forming a new system, It's ready to go, they are planning and conniving now, but only God can say, yes it's time. When it's time, the FP will appear
So be prepared and keep your ears open on what is happening over there, because it will affect us too, then theres that big decision time, to see if we can all walk our talk.
Remember 10 leaders are coming up from the North. (Europe)
When you see this, you will know that the ark will be closed shortly after.Quote I keep hearing things like: …..we need to know what is coming upon us SOON,very soon.
Dont be caught unawares. Need to get ready,have knowledge.
It is good for you to get involved Mike, because it concerns you too.
That's right Mike.
Be prepared, so it doesn't come as a shock for you.
Without knowledge, you will make the wrong decision, because the big delusion is coming upon the world, and the christians will be deceived by this man also.Quote But my understanding is that Jesus will come like a theif in the night, and it will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing what he's supposed to be doing when he returns.
Go back and read what Jesus said about this.
He will only come as a thief if we don't keep watch.Matthew 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1 Thessalonians 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.Revelation 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee
Quote Is it crucial to my chance of everlasting life to know ahead of time when these things will occur? If so, why? Will they not happen as God has planned with or without my foreknowledge?
Yes Mike, it's the Spirit of God, the holy spirit that will quicken us at Christ's coming.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.The ones who think it is a long way off, and not going to happen in our generation, are the ones who will become complacent, and fall asleep saying “It doesn't concern us, don't look into it too much.” These ones won't delve deeply into God's word.
But, the more truth we have, the more filled we are with the holy spirit.
If we go to the grave, we don't die empty shells,
but with the truth in us which is reserved and required in order to be raised at the first resurrection.
Everything we possess goes to the grave with us,
whether truth or error,
to be covered (with spiritual knowledge) or naked (without spiritual knowledge)
Once we are dead, nothing can change, as we can't go back and change anything,
all is said and done, so for the ones who die before Christ returns,
and did not expect death,
they will see Christ, and it will also be like him coming as a theif in the night,
because they didn't expect to die and see him so soon when they awake.
Some will see him and receive their reward, and some will see him to their shame.If we know all things, and we die before the coming, then we die fully covered, not naked, and when our Lord comes and resurrects us, we will know that all we believed in, which is all he spoke, and all we knew was fulfilled, and his word proven true, even though we were not there to see it.
Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 09 2012,13:29)
Hi Ed,Sorry if you feel like i am ignoring you. We have spoken on all matters already,
would you like to give the others a go now?
let them have their say,
for we have spoken to you already,
and now we wish to speak to them.
please don't take offence.Quote (journey42 @ Sep. 10 2012,12:11) Hi Ed, Sorry if you feel like i am ignoring you. We have spoken on all matters already, …
Hi Georgie,I hope you don't feel personally attacked
when I expose 'false truths' also called 'LIES'.
We have NOT spoken on all matters, that is a lie.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (journey42 @ Sep. 10 2012,12:11) Hi Ed, please don't take offence.
Don't worry,I'm use to people running from the truth.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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