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G,
Why do you want to gatecrash the Jewish party.
You are not invited to do so.We are privileged to learn about the laws given to them but it would be arrogant to try to put ourselves under that law don't you think?.
Nick………Who is talking about being (UNDER) any Law. The commandment of GOD are not law (law is the forced compliance of them) But GOD writes his commandments that are written in the book of the LAW on our Hearts by His holy Spirit of LOVE. You belief he trashes his words and makes them useless is vain on you part, GOD does (NOT) change neither do His commandment. (Just HOW they are accomplished in us Has changed) Not his commandments.. I really should not have to tell you this seeing you claim to be “Born Again”. IMO
gene
G,
FORCED?
No man is forced to comply with law.
I guess this is one of your catchphrases that support your universalist ideas?Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 24 2009,16:11) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 25 2009,02:43) Kerwin Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 24 2009,15:06) Do think Jesus was unaware of Jewish theology when he did his teachings while in his corrupt flesh?
If Jesus flesh was corrupt, he could not have been the Lamb of God that took away our sin on calvary!WJ
I think you are taking what I wrote out of context. We currently have a corrupt body but we will be resurrected in an incorruptible body.I suppose if I used the word perishable is would have been more clear.
God is not concerned about our flesh but rather about our “conduct” and Jesus has never sinned.
KerwinI still disagree with you. Jesus body would not see corruption because there was no sin in him.
Jesus Body was as Adam before the fall which would have never died.
Jesus said no man could take his life from him but he willingly laid it down.
They killed Jesus who could have lived on forever! IMO
WJ
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 04 2009,19:27) Hi WJ,
Did he have a different body?
He bore our sins to the cross and died like any other man.
NHHe had a perfect and sinless body or else he could not have been the Spotless Lamb that was slain for our sin!
WJ
Hi WJ,
Funny that nobody spotted the difference.
Did the lambs chosen from the flock for sacrifice have to be similarly perfect?Hi WJ,
The description of him in Is 53 seems to differ with your view.Surely it is on the inside and not the mere externals that are spotless?
He was unlike the whited sepulchres.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 26 2009,20:23) G,
FORCED?
No man is forced to comply with law.
I guess this is one of your catchphrases that support your universalist ideas?
Labeling again?Quote (Gene @ Oct. 26 2009,09:55) Nick………To say God's law are Jewish is it self blasphemous to GOD IMO, If you think for one second they were Jewish laws you are very wrong, they are GOD'S COMMANDMENTS not the Jews commandants, In fact the Jew only represented 1/13 of those present when (GOD) gave them. GOD plainly said He changes (NOT) and NOW you want us to believe He changes HIS commandments of LOVE written for all mankind. If he changed them then why fulfill them in Israel and the GENTILES . IMO gene
Gene, I showed them the law was established long before Mount Sinai. But do the listen or care? We also posted the law will be in the New Kingdom, do they care about that as well?They want nothing to do with a Jew or any law of God.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 04 2009,17:22) Hi WJ,
The description of him in Is 53 seems to differ with your view.Surely it is on the inside and not the mere externals that are spotless?
He was unlike the whited sepulchres.
This is not in response into their keeping the law but how the abused and misused it, They adulterated for their own gain.Use scripture that proves your point, not just because it sounds good.
Matthew 23
Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers. But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, [even] Christ. But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in [yourselves], neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. Woe unto you, [ye] blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor! [Ye] fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold? And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty. [Ye] fools and blind: for whether [is] greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon. And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein. And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. [Ye] blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. [Thou] blind Pharisee, cleanse first that [which is] within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Funny how when one mentions, Law, Sabbath, or Jew, and you toss out verses like: “the whited sepulchres”, There is a Righteous way and an Un-Righteous way to keep Gods commandments, and then there is your way, denounce Gods Law and hate Jews.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 04 2009,17:39) Hi CON,
You seem distracted from the issues at hand?
Am I distracted?Hi CON,
Can any of us attain to any righteousness beyond filthy rags by obedience to the Jewish Law?
We should rather surely be depending on inheriting the righteousness of Jesus.
The prodigal son covered his filth with the best garment .Hi CON,
So the pharisees were only able to wash the outside of the cup while the problems men have is from inside.Only the blood of Jesus is able to wash us inwardly in response to our plea through repentance and baptism[1Peter3]
Guilt drives men to all sorts of attempted self improvements but Jesus is able to make us white as snow.
Whosoever wants to save his own life shall lose it.
Hi CON,
Hate Jews?
You must be joking.
Realising the OT law is theirs is simply a fact.
We are to be joined with them in true Israel and we stand on their foundation of faith in their God.Worshipping Jesus wrote:
Quote I still disagree with you. Jesus body would not see corruption because there was no sin in him.
That sounds like the way the Catholics dig up a body to determine if the individual is a Saint or not. They are called incorruptibles.
Still, I agree to disagree on this subject.
Worshipping Jesus wrote:
Quote Jesus Body was as Adam before the fall which would have never died.
That is the way it should have been.
Worshipping Jesus wrote:
Quote Jesus said no man could take his life from him but he willingly laid it down.
He could have resisted just like he could have jumped off a certain tower when Satan tempted him.
Worshipping Jesus wrote:
Quote They killed Jesus who could have lived on forever! IMO
And so for a truly righteous man to die condemned the world as unjust in order that some would be saved.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 04 2009,17:58) Hi CON,
Can any of us attain to any righteousness beyond filthy rags by obedience to the Jewish Law?
We should rather surely be depending on inheriting the righteousness of Jesus.
The prodigal son covered his filth with the best garment .
Has anyone in here said righteousness is only by keeping the law?You seem to keep parroting that over and over.
Seems you only hear yourself.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 04 2009,18:01) Hi CON,
So the pharisees were only able to wash the outside of the cup while the problems men have is from inside.Only the blood of Jesus is able to wash us inwardly in response to our plea through repentance and baptism[1Peter3]
Guilt drives men to all sorts of attempted self improvements but Jesus is able to make us white as snow.
Whosoever wants to save his own life shall lose it.
Funny, the Pharisees were only one sect of Jews, and what did Jesus say they did wrong? He did not say their keeping the law was wrong, he said they abused and misused the law.Many Jewish sects during the time of Jesus:
Asmonean, Assideans, Chabherim, Chacidhim (Hasidaioi), Essenes, Herodians, Karaites, Perushim, Pharisees, Sadducees, etc.
Paul was a Pharisees.
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