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Kerwin……..You have it right, I can’t understand why brother Nick , can’t see that. He seem to think that flesh and blood human being are inferior creations, that God cannot renew our existing bodies, by reenergizing them, he seems to not really understand that “all things are possible with God” that Adam could lived for ever with the very body God created him with, and that it was God original intent we live for ever in the body he originally gave us. I gave him examples of just some of the great feats preformed with flesh and blood bodies, but he simply refuses to except it. It’s as if he has some kind of great abhorrents of physical created bodies, even though God said it was good, Nick thinks it not good enough for him even though Jesus didn’t seem to mind he was raised with one.
Anyway sometimes I don’t know where Nick is coming from he has very little scriptural support on this if any. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………..gene
Nick, we are changed from mortal to immortal beings that is all Paul was talking about, the rest is you and others addition to what he was saying.
Peace and love to you and yours…………….gene
Nick,
You are the one contradict the teaching in 1 Corinthians 15 as I have clearly pointed out. I have already addressed your choice of a literal interpretation of 1 Corinthians 15:50 but you do not believe what either I or Gene hear is true. On the other hand I do not believe what you hear about it is true either.
I know listed out the points of what 1 Corinthians 15 states in other places along with the fact Jesus was resurrected in a flesh and bone body. You have not chosen to address that. I am waiting for you to do so.
hi
1Co 15:50 I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
1Co 15:51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—
1Co 15:52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
1Co 15:53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.which part of us is perishable ? which part of us can be clothed with imperishable ?
and what is mortal ? so that it has to with immortality ?how do we answer those questions ?
Hi KW,
To fulfill the sign of Jonah the Lord had to be raised up in his original body.
Then as you say the mortal must be clothed in immortality
Nick,
To fulfill the sign of Jonah the Lord had to be raised up in his original body.
Then as you say the mortal must be clothed in immortality
That does not address the points I made. Instead it is a statement of what you believe and I do not see it in Scripture.
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The body of a man is mortal.
no,Nick it is our soul, for it does not say the man that sin will lose his flesh ,but it says ,,the soul that sins will die,,
so the soul is the one that can be clothed with a new robe,for all die in Adam once,this is the flesh ,not the soul,
this is why we have to make those changes of clothing from flesh to spirit ,from mortal to immortal this would be only for the 144k for the earth call does not bring immortality,but everlasting life
Terricca……notice closely, this what? This “mortal” must “put on” “Imortality”, now ask yourself what is putting on “imortality” “THIS MORTAL” , no where does he say a new “being” is putting imortality , but this “mortal, being is putting on imortal. Your false assumption is that he is not talking about this present mortal body, putting on imortality. The whole idea of a “PHYSICAL RESURECTION” would be useless if what you believe is true. Jesus telling us he was not a spirit being, but a physical human being, would simply be useless, it would be senseless to have an actual physical resurection if that were the case, why would God even keep his body from corruption in the grave if what you people believe is true, it would be deceptive on his part, in effect you and others who believe like you are calling both God and Jesus liers, and decievers.
Paul showed in other scriptures that is is an actual physical resurection, or haven’t you read where he said, “FOR WE HOPE FOR THE RESURECTION THAT WILL WITNESS THE REDEMPTION OF “OUR” BODIES.
Why use the WORD, “OUR” BODIES, IF THESE BODIES ARE GOING TO BE DONE AWAY WITH COMPLETELY, to you and people like you Jesus’ resurection was a sham. But then you also believe Jesus was morphed from another state of existence into Mary’s body, and God did not create everything himself, but he had Jesus do it, so there is no limit to your imaginations it appears, you even believe Jesus is and was a God right?
Peace and love to you and yours………………….gene
Nick……so show us scripture where it says, “this body is “destroyed” and the “soul” rises up either naked or with a new body”. SCRIPTURE PLEASE. Are we not better off to look at what God the Father and Jesus demonstrated for all the world to see. Then believe fairy tales?
Peace and love to you and yours…………………gene
Hi GB,
Scripture says we do not know what we will be like but we will be changed.
You say scripture is wrong because we know exactly what we will be like and nothing will have changed.
Who is right?
Nick,
Your opinions do not match the truth in 1Cor 15
You are stating a conclusion you made without any evidence to support it. You did not answer my points.
Hi KW,
When will acknowledge that the resurrection of Jesus was only to earth and his taking up into the heavenlies is equally important?
Nick….read 2 correct 5:2 – 4 , that house described the is a body, it is not a spirit, any way you want to take it it is a body being described t here it is not a spirit body, because we already have the spirit of God in this house or body we now have and if it were to be destroyed we have another body reserved in heaven for us made by God, but none the less a physical body, spiritually activated, but none the less a actual physically resurrected body, created by God. Just as Adams body was created by God in which he could have lived forever in, according to God, that is.
The is nothing wrong with our bodies except the effects of sin in them. The new physical body will not be subject to sin, it can live for ever and not be a spirit body, but spiritually sustaind. That is the only difference between our present body and the body we will posses.
Rom 7:18……”for I know that in me (that is in my flesh ), dI’d you see the marks in the text? That means that was added to the original text, by a scribe that believe like you do Nick. It was not in the original text
It is a corruption of the original scriptures. In fact Paul is not talking about the body at all except to say that dwelling in his body was no good thing, because he could not perform that which was right, because his will was with him, it had nothing to do with a body causing any problem.Psa 49:15, But God will “redeem my soul “the complete person body and spirit from the power of the grave, for he shall recieve me. That is not talking about part of the man but all of him his complete “living soul”. None of that shows a soul not containing a body being redeemed. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours………………gene
Nick,
You are avoiding addressing the points I have made from Scripture and voicing opinion without any real support for it. You do have some support but it is debatable whether is is solid or an illustration. The fact you are not addressing my points makes you afraid of what you may learn. IF that is so then why you afraid if not then what reason do you have? Is that reason godly or ungodly?
1 Corinthians 15:13English Standard Version (ESV)
13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised.
Is Jesus used as an example of the resurrection of dead in this passage?
1 Corinthians 15:35-36English Standard Version (ESV)
The Resurrection Body35 But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?” 36 You foolish person! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies.
Is this passage about the same resurrection of the dead?
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