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Nick…….still dodging Gen 3:22 I see. Yes my master teaches me what is written there is and was true, now what does your master teaching you? So that you do not except those scriptures, would be the question. What is causing to hate flesh and blood human beings so much?, perhaps you are receiving that from your master right?
Peace and love to you and yours…………..gene
Nick,
Hi GB,
You are welcome to your perishable body.
I prefer the promises.
Genesis 2:23Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
So according to you both Eve and Adam have a perishable body at this time.
Genesis 1:31Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
This is though even though on the 6th day after he created man he saw and beheld that every thing was very good.
Genesis 2:17Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
So according to you both Adam and Eve would have grown old and died even if they did not eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. That is what perishable means.
Scripture does tell us when the human body became perishable.
Genesis 3:19Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
19 in the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
As you can see it occurred as part of the curse on humankind through Adam.
Your current beliefs are not in line with Scripture as I just pointed out but they are in line with an ancient doctrine and that doctrine is Gnosticism who believed the material world is a flawed creation. This teaching snuck into Christianity long ago.
Here is an excerpt from Wikipedia’s article on Gnosticism
In Gnosticism, the world of the demiurge is represented by the lower world, which is associated with matter, flesh, time and more particularly an imperfect, ephemeral world.
The doctrine you have heard and believe has evolved and part of its evolution was to do away with the demiurge but is still kept the core idea that the material world is an imperfect creation. That Idea disagrees with Scripture.
Nick….I follow no man, what you posted is purely wrong, I believe nothing like you posted there, here is the way I is see we are, a dust from the ground body + the breath of life added into it = A”LIVING SOUL” , JUST THAT SIMPLE, and just that CLEARLY written IN SCRIPTURE, nothing more was added or subtracted.
Gen 2:7….> AND the LORD God, formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breathe of life, and MAN BECAME A “LIVING SOUL. Man came to be a “LIVING SOUL” himself, a SOUL was not SEPERATELY added him he was himself the “THE LIVING SOUL” all of him was not just PART of him but ALL OF HIM WAS A LIVING SOUL.
Now do you see anywhere there that God added a “soul” to the man , or does it state the man himself is what CAME TO BE a “LIVING SOUL”, the COMPLETE MAN BECAME THE LIVING SOUL NOT JUST PART OF HIM. As you and others have come to believe.
So you should try to stick to what is clearly written, and not add to it , IMO.
Nick
Hi KW,
Perishable means can perish not will perish.You sound like a lawyer, in their playing games to words in hopes of making the law debatable.
Merriam-Webster states:
likely to spoil or decay quickly : not likely to stay fresh for a long time if not eaten or used
To be perishable humankind would have to have a sell by date. In short humans could not perish before they were cursed with being perishable. That is what Genesis 3:19 is about. That is also what God was warning them against.
God did not make a creation that was perishable or a dishonorable one for the perishable body is sown is dishonor, 1 Corinthians 15:43.
Gene,
and MAN BECAME A “LIVING SOUL
That is just a way to emphasize the the soul is the most important part of a human being.
The only way a living soul can die is if God chooses to toss it into Gehenna.
Hi KW,
Flesh rots and bones disappear into the soil from which it came.
But a new spiritual body awaits the faithfulNick,
Hi KW,
Flesh rots and bones disappear into the soil from which it came.That did not happen and could not happen before God told Adam it would in his judgment for mankind sin.
To say it could have happened before man ate of fruit of the tree if the knowledge of good and evil makes God out to be liar.
Our bodies are always being renewed and could do it forever if they were not programmed to break down as they age.
Hi KW,
Were there were others before Adam who had died? No.But that has nothing to do with perishABILITY
You must cling to what is truthNick,
But that has nothing to do with perishABILITY
Are you claiming death has nothing to do with perishability?
Nick,
You are claiming humanity had the ability to die before they ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. I say they could not. The reason for my conviction is 1) God warned them away from that fruit telling them that if they ate it they would die and 2 God cursed them to return to dust as part of his judgment for eating of that fruit.
The only thing I see supporting your belief is 1) Your desire to hold on to your interpretation of 1 Corinthians 15:50 and 2) Your belief that God’s creation is flawed.
Hi KW,
Yes you make that assumption.
No evidence supports you.The creation of God was described as very good.
Is it a flaw to be imperfect?Nick,
Yes you make that assumption.
No evidence supports you.The creation of God was described as very good.
Is it a flaw to be imperfect?Buried in dishonor sounds like a flaw to me.
Nick,
So if Adam perished was he not perishable?
This is just another lawyer game as you know we are speaking of a time before Adam sinned. Or do you think Adam would have perished anyways even if he had not sinned and ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Adam died because he sinned. His body would not have returned to dust if he had chosen not to sin because then God would not of cursed him at the time humanity fell from grace.
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