Did Jesus undergo the final resurection?

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  • #768450
    NickHassan
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    Hi KW,

    And you cannot accept that the imperishable must be put over the perishable.

    #768460
    kerwin
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    Nick,

    Are you saying one body is put over the other?

    Scripture instead say believers are changed.

    #768464
    kerwin
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    Nick,

    Try these interpretation-translations on for size.

    1 Corinthians 15:53Good News Translation (GNT)

    53 For what is mortal must be changed into what is immortal; what will die must be changed into what cannot die.

    1 Corinthians 15:53GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

    53 This body that decays must be changed into a body that cannot decay. This mortal body must be changed into a body that will live forever.

    #768467
    NickHassan
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    Hi KW,

    Yes you can find a version friendly to your mind’s ideas.

    #768482
    kerwin
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    Nick,

    They use the word changed just like 1 Corinthians 15:52 does and Paul is not contradicting himself. He was just saying the same thing in too different ways. Even you will admit that “imperishable must be put over the perishable” is no longer imperishable but had instead changed just like translators of those two versions interpreted the message.

    #769125
    GeneBalthrop
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    Nick……Kerwin is right about this brother, the present creation will be delivered from its BOND of curroption, and be brought into liberty of the Sons of God. Another point you may have overlooked, is that as the result of sin God limited man’s life, from eternal existence,to a 1000 year, or one day in God’s time frame, but God later again limited human life even further to 120 years later.

    Now none of that had to do with a inferior body, but the limits the LORD our God placed on man life. But just as God limited those day He can also extended them unto eternity. In the regeneration all who are allowed to eat of the tree of life will live with their existing bodies for ever. It is the spirit that determines the longevity of our bodies in that day. IMO

    peace and love to you and yours……………gene

    #769256
    NickHassan
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    Hi GB,

    You are welcome to your perishable body.

    I prefer the promises.

    #769265
    GeneBalthrop
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    Nick. ….This perishable body of mine is going to become imperishable, a body just like the one Adam and Eve had before they sinned, it will be able to live forever once the effects OF SIN IS REMOVE FROM IT. You have not so much as one scripture that says we will have a different kind of physical body. Not to even mention God knew exactly what he was creating when he first made our bodies, and you have not one scripture that says he made them to be done away with, changed from one state of existence to another, true, but not a completely different body, just a change from corruptible to incorruptible. Much like changing clothes, they are all still clothes, threads sown together made of materials from the earth. Our human bodies are wonderfully made and function perfectly as all of Gods original creation does, and we’re capable of living forever in them, as attested to by God himself. God is not about to alter his perfect physical creation just to please you Nick and other malcontents. Why dont you believe what God the Father said about ADAM AND EVE IN THE GARDEN, HAD THEY EATEN OF THE TREEE OF LIFE, HE CLEARLY SAID IF THEY DID THEY WOULD NEVER DIE.

    peace and love to you and yours……… …..gene

    #769267
    Ed J
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    This perishable body of mine is going to become imperishable, a body just like the one Adam and Eve had before they sinned, it will be able to live forever once the effects OF SIN IS REMOVE FROM IT.

    You have not so much as one scripture that says we will have a different kind of physical body.

    Hi Gene,

    Did Adam and Eve have a different body from the Angels before the fall?

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    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    ”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GOD

    #769272
    GeneBalthrop
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    EDJ…….Good question I really do not know, but I do not believe they did, but when sin entered the picture and death followed, I believe they then came to be a “LITTLE” BELOW the angels, from the stand point that they could die. Just my view point no scripture to back it up. Angels have a relationship to God the Father, but I don’t believe it is as high as mankinds is, we can have a Father Son relationship that I believe is unique in God’s creation , mankind is very highly exalted, as attested to by Jesus who is a exalted human being, even to the right hand of God the Father himself. We may have a lot more going for us then we have ever imagined. Not necessarily because of us but because of who GOD THE FATHER IS, and his plan from the beginning. IMO

    peace and love to you and yours……………….gene

    #769274
    NickHassan
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    Hi GB,
    Adam and Eve had imperishable bodies??
    Is it written?

    #769275
    Ed J
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    Hi Gene,

    Did Adam and Eve have a different body from the Angels before the fall?

    EDJ…….Good question I really do not know, but I do not believe they did

    Hi Gene,

    I really don’t know either, but I bet that most here believe that their bodies were different.
    Why? Because Scripture says that they were made of the dust of the ground (i.e. terra-firma).

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    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    ”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GOD

    #769276
    Ed J
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    Angels have a relationship to God the Father, but I don’t believe it is as high as mankinds is, we can have a Father Son relationship that I believe is unique in God’s creation ,

    Hi Gene,

    Have you considered that mankind may be the Angels put here by God. Being made
    of physicality and with a mind-sweep. Meaning as a child is pure,
    we also were made pure, because we are the children.

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    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    ”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GOD

    #769278
    NickHassan
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    Hi ED,
    Fantasy has a place in scriptural understanding?

    #769279
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi GB,
    If men COULD DIE their bodies were always perishable.

    #769280
    Ed J
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    Hi Nick,

    Consider this verse…

    ”Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.” (Eccl 12:7)

    What spirit is this?
    It’s obviously our spirit.
    The one comprising our character.

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    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    ”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GOD

    #769281
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Nick,

    Consider also this verse…

    ”Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee;” (Jer 1:4-5)

    And by the way, did Jesus come to Jeremiah?
    Or
    did God’s spirit come to Jeremiah? (<– please answer)

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    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    ”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GOD

    #769283
    NickHassan
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    Hi ED,
    The spirit given to man gives us life.
    We die and it returns to God
    We are SOUL

    #769284
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,
    God sends his Spirit.
    The Spirit of Christ, the Word, was in the prophets. 1 peter 1 10-12

    #769285
    Ed J
    Participant

    And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:
    he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” (Rev 12:9)

    Also consider, why were the dragon’s angels cast to earth?
    Could it be because they didn’t want to go willingly?

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