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Hi KW,
The old body is destroyed. Ps 49.14
This did not happen to Jesus to fulfill the prophecy shown in acts 2-3
Nick,
To make it easy on you I even asked the questions I hoped you would answer and you still chose not to respond to my points. I can go to Psalms 49:14 and it will not change what either I quoted say. They will still remain the same.
Note: Psalms 49:14 is interesting for its own reason but I am sure I interpret it differently than you. There is even some difference of opinion between different English language versions.
Hi KW,
We do not have to satisfy the prophecy of Acts 2-3 or the sign of Jonah.
There is no suggestion that sheol does not destroy the bodies of all but only that the gates of sheol cannot hold the saved.
They await a new spiritual body from above to clothe them and make them fit for life beyond earth.
Nick,
We do not have to satisfy the prophecy of Acts 2-3 or the sign of Jonah.
Irrelevant.
They await a new spiritual body from above to clothe them and make them fit for life beyond earth.
There is not body composed of spirit written of in Scripture just like there is no body composed of soul.
There is a body that is led by the Spirit and there is a body that is led by the soul. The earlier is not subject to corruption while the later is.
There is no suggestion that sheol does not destroy the bodies of all but only that the gates of sheol cannot hold the saved.
The only thing I know at this time is that the souls of the dead descend to Sheol. The rest I am not sure of. Jesus’ soul descended to Sheol and his body did not corrupt in its burial place. The later teaches us he did not stay in his tomb long enough to decay.
You still are not answering my points on 1 Corinthians 15.
Hi KW,
So the lack of corruption was no miracle to you?
The body of Lazarus it was suggested would be starting to smell
Nick…….maybe this will help you, let’s use this example, I live in my house, a physical structure, made of wood and material things which all comes from the earth, now if I ask you can my house inherit anything , it is obvious it can’t, why because the house is not alive but the person living in that house is alive, so it is with our bodies, our spirits are the life source living in our material bodies, now if my house I live in is destroyed it can be rebuilt again in exactly the same way my old house was, that could happen endless times over and over, so it is with our bodies, God can make them again over and over, using that same material, called DNA he can repair or remake, the exact same body over and over endlessly. So my spirit can always have a house (a body) made by the master builder (God) to live in forever.
Your idea that a Sprit is a body or a house is wrong, spirits live in material bodies and when they do, that body is called a “LIVING SOUL” Genesis 2:7, just that simple, nothing complicated about it Nick.MYSTERY RELIGION, has fill people’s heads with all kinds of false ideas as attested to here over and over. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………..gene
Nick…….The word spritual body, simply means, (a prysical) body, being kept alive by spirit, because there is no such thing as a “spirit body”, not so much as one scripture say, there are spirit bodies. But scripture does attest that spirits live in physical bodies in many places. Your assumption of there being spirit bodies is wrong NICK. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………gene
Nick,
So the lack of corruption was no miracle to you?
He was only dead a day and a half before he was resurrected. The miracle was the resurrection not that his body had not corrupted in that short time. There are corpses that have undergone little or no corruption for over a thousand years that still amaze scientists.
Nick,
Hi KW,
There are spiritual bodies
1Cor 15
“It is sown a NATURAL BODY. It is raised a SPIRITUAL BODY”
And you should know is does not mean a body composed of spirit by this time. Stop deceiving yourself.
In order to believe that Spiritual means composed of spirit then you have to ignore 1) the Greek word translated natural is the adjective form of soul that translator chose to change into the word natural, 2) natural, which is the nature of this current world that you know is subject to corruption. 3) Paul uses natural to mean a person led by the godless nature and spiritual to mean a person led by the Spirit in 1 Corinthians 2:14-15.
So you are getting you definition for spiritual out of the air while I am getting mine from 1 Corinthians 14-15 and other passage of Scripture while not abandoning the Koine Greek the English is translated from.
Nick,
Lazarus was in the grave five days to the one and a half day Jesus was in the grave. His resurrection was in some ways a greater miracle due to the increased time he was in the grave but it is more like what we today call a resuscitation as opposed to a resurrection into an incorruptible body.
Hi KW,
Tell me of the cases or resuscitation after this length of time you know of.
20 minutes is not rare.
You are not impressed by the works of God?
Where did I or scriprure say spiritual bodies are composed of spirit?
Hi GB,
You think the resurrection of Ezekiel 37 is comparable to that of Christ or mankind?
It is of the HOUSE of Israel not the body of Christ or mankind.
Do you have any supporting scriptures?
Nick…..First of all the “Cristos” or anointing SPIRIT, never died, so it never was raised from the grave it was the “MAN” Jesus, who died, who is called the anointed one or CRISTOS ,of God, who was raised from the grave. Now if God himself said in Ezekiel 37, that this “is the “WHOLE” HOUSE OF ISRAEL”, AND JESUS, A JEW, AN ISRAELITE HIMSELF, HOW COULD THAT TYPE OF RESURECTION NOT INCLUDE HIM?
NICK YOUR PROBLEM IS YOU BELIEVE SPIRITS ARE BODIES , THEY ARE NOT, NEVER WERE, NEVER WILL BE. You have no scriptures that support your view of “spirit bodies” please produce one and at least well have somewhere to start brother, but to assume something without any scripture support is an assumption, you know your just #*€#*, in the wind, as the saying goes.
Me and Kerwin both have produced scupture support for what we are saying, it’s just a matter if you believe what scripture says or not. Comming part way out of those false teachings is not the same as coming all the way out Nick. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours………………gen
Nick,
Since you claim expertise on such matters tell us what spiritual bodies are like.
1 Corinthians 2:14-15English Standard Version (ESV)
14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. 15 The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one.
The natural person is led by the nature of this current world and the Spiritual person is led by the Spirit of God. The natural person is a servant of sin and the Spiritual person is free from serving sin and so is a servant of righteousness. I believe you know these things by now.
In knowing these things just apply them to the body. The natural body is led by the nature of this current world and the Spiritual body is led by the Spirit. The natural body is a servant to corruption and the Spiritual body is free from serving corruption and so is a servant of non-corruption.
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