Did jesus raise himself from the dead?

[GeneBalthrop]

Thinker …….They are true in a (allegorical) sense, not saying they are not. Do you honestly think a person is there in some real fire called Hell, and in torment and asking Abraham to send Lazarus who literally sits in his bosom to go get him some water. Where did i say the story was not true to life, it give us for knowledge of the difference that will exist with some those in the kingdom and those who are going through the judgments of GOD. It show that there is indeed a separation the two conditions. In fact the story does not even say the rich man was evil , it just says he lived sumptuously, he was spared a lot of liefs heartaches because of his riches, was it his fault he was born rich and Lazarus was born poor. The story is an allegory of the effects riches and poverty can have on a person. These Metaphors help us understand sound principles of GOD and LIFE. They are not meant to be taken literally thinker. IMO

peace and love……………gene

[KangarooJack]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2010,11:47)

Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2010,11:35) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2010,11:30) Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2010,11:04) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2010,09:48) Quote (Gene @ Jan. 28 2010,08:45) thinker………Jodi is exactly right when Jesus Dies he ceased to exist just as all do. and do not exist again until a body is infused with spirit and then they become a living soul again.   “WHEN A MAN DIES HIS THOUGHTS PARISH” AND AGAIN “THE DEAD KNOW NOTHING” Jesus was not alive when he died or else he was lying when he claimed he was (DEAD). Rev 1:18…..> I am he that liveth, and was (DEAD); and behold, I am alive forevermore, Now go and argue with Jesus about if he was really dead or not, not us, because that is who your argument really is with.IMO Amen to this Gene. He was dead, and he said so himself. Love in Christ, Marty Marty, Where in scripture does “dead” mean “cease to exist?” thinker Hi thethinker: I just mean that he was dead, and I believe that is what was meant by the statement that he “ceased to exist”. His body was in the tomb, and his spirit was with God.  There was no life in the body. Love in Christ, Marty Marty, Are you even paying attention? No one is saying that the body of Jesus didn't die. We're saying that His spirit remained alive. You say that His spirit went to God. Well then, it should be no problem for you then to accept that He could raise His body up Himself. The spirit of Jesus did not go to God. It went down to hades for three days. thinker Hi thethinker: Sorry, his spirit did not go down to hades.  He said in praying to the Father: Quote Luk 23:46  And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said, “Father, 'into Your hands I commit My spirit.' ” Having said this, He breathed His last. And he did not raise himself, God raised him from the dead.  There many scriptures which state this. Love in Christ, Marty

Sorry Marty but there are also several scriptures which say that Jesus raised Himself from the dead (John 2:19-21; Mark 9:31; 10:34). Jesus did indeed go down to hades (or sheol). The Psalm says, “You shall not leave my soul in sheol.” His soul went down to sheol. Peter quotes this as the fulfillment of the resurrection. Paul said that Christ was raised up from the “abyss.” This is the place inwhich satan was cast (rev. 20:1-3).

What Bible are you reading Marty?

If the spirit of Jesus “ceased to exist,” then the spirit that appeared in His body was not the same spirit. And if His spirit went to heaven and His body “ceased to exist,” then the body inwhich He appeared was not the same body.

btw, The statement, “Into your handsIi commend My spirit” does not mean that jesus went to God. It simply means that He had committed His spirit to His Father's authority.

thinker

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Gene @ Jan. 28 2010,12:06)

Thinker …….They are true in a (allegorical) sense, not saying they are not. Do you honestly think a person is there in some real fire called Hell, and in torment and asking Abraham to send Lazarus who literally sits in his bosom to go get him some water.  Where did i say the story was not true to life, it give us for knowledge of the difference that will exist with some those in the kingdom and those who are going through the judgments of GOD. It show that there is indeed a separation the two conditions. In fact the story does not even say the rich man was evil , it just says he lived sumptuously, he was spared a lot of liefs heartaches because of his riches, was it his fault he was born rich and Lazarus was born poor. The story is an allegory of the effects riches and poverty can have on a person. These Metaphors help us understand sound principles of GOD and LIFE. They  are not meant to be taken literally thinker. IMO peace and love……………gene

Gene,

You are as confused about what I am saying as you are about everything else. I am not talking about hell. I am talking about hades (or sheol). Hades was the place where the souls of men went to await the resurrection. Most men went down to hades to “sleep.” But there were exceptions where some men went down ALIVE (or conscious).

The story of the rich man and Lazarus is a TRUE TO LIFE story. The rich man went to hades ALIVE.

You are thinking that hades is “hell” because of the old King James rendering. Hades is not hell. So don't bring hell into it.

thinker

[NickHassan]

Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2010,12:14)

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2010,11:47) Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2010,11:35) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2010,11:30) Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2010,11:04) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2010,09:48) Quote (Gene @ Jan. 28 2010,08:45) thinker………Jodi is exactly right when Jesus Dies he ceased to exist just as all do. and do not exist again until a body is infused with spirit and then they become a living soul again.   “WHEN A MAN DIES HIS THOUGHTS PARISH” AND AGAIN “THE DEAD KNOW NOTHING” Jesus was not alive when he died or else he was lying when he claimed he was (DEAD). Rev 1:18…..> I am he that liveth, and was (DEAD); and behold, I am alive forevermore, Now go and argue with Jesus about if he was really dead or not, not us, because that is who your argument really is with.IMO Amen to this Gene. He was dead, and he said so himself. Love in Christ, Marty Marty, Where in scripture does “dead” mean “cease to exist?” thinker Hi thethinker: I just mean that he was dead, and I believe that is what was meant by the statement that he “ceased to exist”. His body was in the tomb, and his spirit was with God.  There was no life in the body. Love in Christ, Marty Marty, Are you even paying attention? No one is saying that the body of Jesus didn't die. We're saying that His spirit remained alive. You say that His spirit went to God. Well then, it should be no problem for you then to accept that He could raise His body up Himself. The spirit of Jesus did not go to God. It went down to hades for three days. thinker Hi thethinker: Sorry, his spirit did not go down to hades.  He said in praying to the Father: Quote Luk 23:46  And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said, “Father, 'into Your hands I commit My spirit.' ” Having said this, He breathed His last. And he did not raise himself, God raised him from the dead.  There many scriptures which state this. Love in Christ, Marty Sorry Marty but there are also several scriptures which say that Jesus raised Himself from the dead (John 2:19-21; Mark 9:31; 10:34). Jesus did indeed go down to hades (or sheol). The Psalm says, “You shall not leave my soul in sheol.” His soul went down to sheol. Peter quotes this as the fulfillment of the resurrection. Paul said that Christ was raised up from the “abyss.” This is the place inwhich satan was cast (rev. 20:1-3). What Bible are you reading Marty? If the spirit of Jesus “ceased to exist,” then the spirit that appeared in His body was not the same spirit. And if His spirit went to heaven and His body “ceased to exist,” then the body inwhich He appeared was not the same body. You need to give up your nonsense doctrines. thinker

Hi TT,
Neither Mk 9.31 nor Mk 10.34 say Jesus will raise himself from the dead.

They say HE WILL RISE .

So neither support your claim.
Do you have any better ones?

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 28 2010,13:09)

Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2010,12:14) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2010,11:47) Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2010,11:35) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2010,11:30) Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2010,11:04) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2010,09:48) Quote (Gene @ Jan. 28 2010,08:45) thinker………Jodi is exactly right when Jesus Dies he ceased to exist just as all do. and do not exist again until a body is infused with spirit and then they become a living soul again.   “WHEN A MAN DIES HIS THOUGHTS PARISH” AND AGAIN “THE DEAD KNOW NOTHING” Jesus was not alive when he died or else he was lying when he claimed he was (DEAD). Rev 1:18…..> I am he that liveth, and was (DEAD); and behold, I am alive forevermore, Now go and argue with Jesus about if he was really dead or not, not us, because that is who your argument really is with.IMO Amen to this Gene. He was dead, and he said so himself. Love in Christ, Marty Marty, Where in scripture does “dead” mean “cease to exist?” thinker Hi thethinker: I just mean that he was dead, and I believe that is what was meant by the statement that he “ceased to exist”. His body was in the tomb, and his spirit was with God.  There was no life in the body. Love in Christ, Marty Marty, Are you even paying attention? No one is saying that the body of Jesus didn't die. We're saying that His spirit remained alive. You say that His spirit went to God. Well then, it should be no problem for you then to accept that He could raise His body up Himself. The spirit of Jesus did not go to God. It went down to hades for three days. thinker Hi thethinker: Sorry, his spirit did not go down to hades.  He said in praying to the Father: Quote Luk 23:46  And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said, “Father, 'into Your hands I commit My spirit.' ” Having said this, He breathed His last. And he did not raise himself, God raised him from the dead.  There many scriptures which state this. Love in Christ, Marty Sorry Marty but there are also several scriptures which say that Jesus raised Himself from the dead (John 2:19-21; Mark 9:31; 10:34). Jesus did indeed go down to hades (or sheol). The Psalm says, “You shall not leave my soul in sheol.” His soul went down to sheol. Peter quotes this as the fulfillment of the resurrection. Paul said that Christ was raised up from the “abyss.” This is the place inwhich satan was cast (rev. 20:1-3). What Bible are you reading Marty? If the spirit of Jesus “ceased to exist,” then the spirit that appeared in His body was not the same spirit. And if His spirit went to heaven and His body “ceased to exist,” then the body inwhich He appeared was not the same body. You need to give up your nonsense doctrines. thinker Hi TT, Neither Mk 9.31 nor Mk 10.34 say Jesus will raise himself from the dead. They say HE WILL RISE . So neither support your claim. Do you have any better ones?

Nick,

You need to re-state that. You should have said, “The English says, “He shall rise again.” But the inspired Greek says, “He shall raise Himself again.”

thinker

[KangarooJack]

TO ALL:

In Mark 9:31 and 10:34 Jesus said that the son of Man “shall rise.” In the Greek new testament the verb is written in the middle voice which means that the subject is acting upon Himself. The two verses would literally read, “He shall raise Himself again.”

I will provide the link for you to view this for yourself. After you get on the site put your arrow on the last Greek word in the verse and a box will appear indicating that the verb is middle.

http://bible.johndyer.name/

Below is the texbook definition of the middle voice:

“The middle voice represents the subject as participating in the results of the action, as acting in relation to itself, as having personal interest in the action, as being intimately involved in the action. There is no equivalent in English” (Syntax of New Testament Greek, University Press of America, p. 111)

2 Peter 2:22 is an example:

“What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.” ESV

Jesus said, “The third day He shall raise Himself again” (Mark 9:31; 10;34).

thinker

[942767]

Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2010,12:14)

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2010,11:47) Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2010,11:35) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2010,11:30) Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2010,11:04) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2010,09:48) Quote (Gene @ Jan. 28 2010,08:45) thinker………Jodi is exactly right when Jesus Dies he ceased to exist just as all do. and do not exist again until a body is infused with spirit and then they become a living soul again.   “WHEN A MAN DIES HIS THOUGHTS PARISH” AND AGAIN “THE DEAD KNOW NOTHING” Jesus was not alive when he died or else he was lying when he claimed he was (DEAD). Rev 1:18…..> I am he that liveth, and was (DEAD); and behold, I am alive forevermore, Now go and argue with Jesus about if he was really dead or not, not us, because that is who your argument really is with.IMO Amen to this Gene. He was dead, and he said so himself. Love in Christ, Marty Marty, Where in scripture does “dead” mean “cease to exist?” thinker Hi thethinker: I just mean that he was dead, and I believe that is what was meant by the statement that he “ceased to exist”. His body was in the tomb, and his spirit was with God.  There was no life in the body. Love in Christ, Marty Marty, Are you even paying attention? No one is saying that the body of Jesus didn't die. We're saying that His spirit remained alive. You say that His spirit went to God. Well then, it should be no problem for you then to accept that He could raise His body up Himself. The spirit of Jesus did not go to God. It went down to hades for three days. thinker Hi thethinker: Sorry, his spirit did not go down to hades.  He said in praying to the Father: Quote Luk 23:46  And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said, “Father, 'into Your hands I commit My spirit.' ” Having said this, He breathed His last. And he did not raise himself, God raised him from the dead.  There many scriptures which state this. Love in Christ, Marty Sorry Marty but there are also several scriptures which say that Jesus raised Himself from the dead (John 2:19-21; Mark 9:31; 10:34). Jesus did indeed go down to hades (or sheol). The Psalm says, “You shall not leave my soul in sheol.” His soul went down to sheol. Peter quotes this as the fulfillment of the resurrection. Paul said that Christ was raised up from the “abyss.” This is the place inwhich satan was cast (rev. 20:1-3). What Bible are you reading Marty? If the spirit of Jesus “ceased to exist,” then the spirit that appeared in His body was not the same spirit. And if His spirit went to heaven and His body “ceased to exist,” then the body inwhich He appeared was not the same body. btw, The statement, “Into your handsIi commend My spirit” does not mean that jesus went to God. It simply means that He had committed His spirit to His Father's authority. thinker

Hi thethinker;

Who said that his body ceased to exist. His body was in the tomb or sheol which is the grave.

His spirit went to God.

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Ecc 12:7 Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it.

His body did not see corruption. It was raised from the dead by God before it decayed.

It is the spirit that animates the soul. It is the spirit of Christ that is the life-giving spirit.

God raised his body from the dead giving him eternal life because he was not guilty of sin. God by His Holy Spirit dwelling within him because he is without sin is his eternal life.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[KangarooJack]

Marty said:

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Who said that his body ceased to exist.  His body was in the tomb or sheol which is the grave. His spirit went to God.

Okay now you really got me confused. Earlier you said that you believe the “cease to exist” definition. If the body continues to exist in the grave and the spirit goes to God, then what is it that ceases to exist?

You are not making any sense.

Sheol is not the resting place of the body. It is the resting place of the soul or spirit. The scripture CLEARLY says that Christ's SOUL went to sheol

You will not leave my SOUL in hades (or sheol). Hades is where souls went to await the resurrection. Jesus said, “No man has ascended into heaven” (John 3:13).

Your misapplication of Ecclesiastes 12:7 is evident. It does not say that the spirit returns to God upon death. The whole idea is contrary to new testament teaching. At the time that Jesus appeared no man had yet ascended into heaven.

You read more into a solitary old testament scripture then what is written.

thinker

[942767]

Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2010,14:26)

Marty said: Quote Who said that his body ceased to exist.  His body was in the tomb or sheol which is the grave. His spirit went to God. Okay now you really got me confused. Earlier you said that you believe the “cease to exist” definition. If the body continues to exist in the grave and the spirit goes to God, then what is it that ceases to exist? You are not making any sense. Sheol is not the resting place of the body. It is the resting place of the soul or spirit. The scripture CLEARLY says that Christ's SOUL went to sheol You will not leave my SOUL in hades (or sheol). Hades is where souls went to await the resurrection. Jesus said, “No man has ascended into heaven” (John 3:13). Your misapplication of Ecclesiastes 12:7 is evident. It does not say that the spirit returns to God upon death. The whole idea is contrary to new testament teaching. At the time that Jesus appeared no man had yet ascended into heaven. You read more into a solitary old testament scripture then what is written. thinker

Hi thethinker:

Life in the body of Jesus ceased to exist until God raised him from the dead. Again, Life ceased to exist in the body of Jesus until God raised him from the dead

Now, does it makes sense. Not too hard to understand, is it? Jesus was dead.

You are confusing the spirit and the soul. They are not the same, and what does the fact that no man had ascended into heaven from the dead have to do with this.

The spirit of Christ is the doctrine of Christ or is the life that he lived in the body.

The scripture states that man will be judged according to his works. The spirit of Christ is the spirit that will give eternal life first to Jesus and then to those who are his at his coming.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[GeneBalthrop]

Thinker……..you bounce off so many scriptures you can't even get the simple ones straight. Chuck to whole thing These false Trinitarians have taught you and start fresh. You may be surprised how clear and simple scriptures are when you see Jesus as a Human being Only instead of a GOD , Who another GOD killed and incarnated him in a flesh body and then had him killed again. Idolatry only breeds confusion thinker. IMO

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
450 ANISTEMI has many meanings.
But you have hijacked it mean to raise oneself?
He claimed to be able to do nothing by himself but you disagree?

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 28 2010,10:04)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 28 2010,03:51) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2010,04:06) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 27 2010,18:06) Ed You quote half of my question and then proceed to answer my question. Why did you do that? You quoted me as asking… Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 26 2010,20:41) how many Spirits do you have? But my question was… Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 26 2010,20:41) So is Jesus in you, and how many Spirits do you have? Then you say… Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,21:09) How do you get three? I never said there were three spirits did I? Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 26 2010,20:41) So is Jesus in you, and how many Spirits do you have? Now those were very good scriptures that you quote saying that we have “Only One Spirit”. But you left out a few… And I will ask the Father, and he will give you “ANOTHER COUNSELOR” to be with you forever– John 14:16 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit,”WHOM THE FATHER WILL SEND IN MY NAME”, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. John 14:26 “When the Counselor comes, “WHOM I WILL SEND TO YOU FROM THE FATHER”, the Spirit of truth “WHO GOES OUT FROM THE FATHER’, he will testify about me. John 15:26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but “the Spirit himself intercedes for us” (intercedes to who) with groans that words cannot express. And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because “the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will“. Rom 8:26, 27 For through him (Jesus) we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Eph 2:18 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that *Jesus Christ is in you*, except ye be reprobates? II Cor 13:5 For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, Phil 1:19 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Rom 8:9 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and “make our abode with him”. Jn 14:23 And last but not least… And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Gal 4:6 Does the Father cry Father? Yet we know God dwells in his people! So my complete question is… Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 26 2010,20:41) So is Jesus in you, and how many Spirits do you have? I believe there is One God, Three Persons, and One Spirit. Matt 28:19 The very essence of what the Father is, the Son and the Holy Spirit are also! Show us by the scriptures how that is not so? Blessings WJ Hi WJ, Third Post down… https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….4;st=50 On that thread: “Only” “ONE Question” Per Post; OK? That way Everybody's question should get addressed! Whenever people put up multiple questions, the question they want addressed MOST usually doesn't get addressed! Have you had occasion to noticed this pattern happening at all? ED J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed Listen, you started the dialogue with me in this thread in which I responded to you. You cannot set up rules for questions in one thread that you created, and then post in other threads that someone else created and then force the same rules there. Are you not able to answer more than one question in a thread? I will take this to mean you are not going to answer my question! Blessings WJ Hi WJ, You have asked 9 questions? The one question (I believe was your most important) I did answer at that link. If your goal is to get resolution. Then we need to discuss each and every point in detail. If you are trying to convince yourself and TT how smart and correct you guy's (falsely) are then you are doing a great Job! However if you are trying to get others to see the truths that you hold dear, then you are FAILING MISERABLY! My goal is to establish “Truth”. Perhapps this may not be your goal after all? Think about it! Ed J

Hi Wj

“Third Post Down” I have already answered your question here …
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….4;st=50

I will gladly answer all your questions.
Do you think it unfair for me to ask you questions as well?

Ed J

[kerwin]

Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2010,01:16)

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 28 2010,05:42) The thinker wrote: Quote The words “raise up” does not mean “build.” What is a barn raising? The Greek word simply means the coming out into public for the first time and can be used for birth, resurrection, or a building.   That list is not necessary all inclusive as I am going from memory. Kerwin, Jesus commanded the Jews to “destroy THIS temple.” The verb is in the imperative mood. Jesus actually COMMANDED them to destroy “THIS” temple. Would Jesus command them to destroy the spiritual temple? And when was the spiritual temple destroyed and rebuilt in three days? He commanded them to destroy the temple of His body. thinker

That sounds like you are agreeing with one of the false accusers who stated Jesus stated he would destroy the temple.  

Are you saying his students covered for him after his death?

I do not believe that is what you meant to imply but it is best to think of what we are writing before we put fingers to the keyboard.  

I have no idea what you are speaking of since I looked up the Greek word “luo” which is translated “destroy” in John 2:19 and strangely it fits with my interpretation of the scripture since it means “loose”,unbind, dissolve in parts, etc..  It is translated to “loose” 27 times in times in the KJV compared to 2 times for destroy.  

Jesus is the mustard seed planted in the ground.  The seed has grown to a tall tree with much fruit.

[kerwin]

Worshipping Jesus,

I did read you post but I have no wish to repeat myself and I have not progressed that much in that particular line of investigation. I did to some extent in my reply to The Thinker.

I was hoping to hear what you thoughts on Jesus surrendering his Spirit to God are.

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 28 2010,15:05)

Hi TT, 450 ANISTEMI has many meanings. But you have hijacked it mean to raise oneself? He claimed to be able to do nothing by himself but you disagree?

The voice of the verb is middle Nick. I gave the link and I gave the textbook function of the middle voice. I believe EVERYTHING the scripture says.

Your denial of truth is so blatant.

thinker

[KangarooJack]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 28 2010,17:20)

Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2010,01:16) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 28 2010,05:42) The thinker wrote: Quote The words “raise up” does not mean “build.” What is a barn raising? The Greek word simply means the coming out into public for the first time and can be used for birth, resurrection, or a building.   That list is not necessary all inclusive as I am going from memory. Kerwin, Jesus commanded the Jews to “destroy THIS temple.” The verb is in the imperative mood. Jesus actually COMMANDED them to destroy “THIS” temple. Would Jesus command them to destroy the spiritual temple? And when was the spiritual temple destroyed and rebuilt in three days? He commanded them to destroy the temple of His body. thinker That sounds like you are agreeing with one of the false accusers who stated Jesus stated he would destroy the temple.   Are you saying his students covered for him after his death? I do not believe that is what you meant to imply but it is best to think of what we are writing before we put fingers to the keyboard.   I have no idea what you are speaking of since I looked up the Greek word “luo” which is translated “destroy” in John 2:19 and strangely it fits with my interpretation of the scripture since it means “loose”,unbind, dissolve in parts, etc..  It is translated to “loose” 27 times in times in the KJV compared to 2 times for destroy.   Jesus is the mustard seed planted in the ground.  The seed has grown to a tall tree with much fruit.

Kerwin,

You did not address my question. Jesus said, “Destroy THIS temple and in three days I will raise it up.” He was speaking of the temple of His body which you say is the spiritual temple or body. When was the spiritual temple destroyed and rebuilt in three days?

This is a fair question is it not?

thinker

[JustAskin]

To noone in particular – only an open question:
Some peopel say that the whole of creation took God 7 days (wrong! 6 – he RESTED on the 7th) then how comes it took him three days, alone, to raise up Jesus' body/Soul (Temple)?

No response required – just for thought?

How many Spirits does a person have?:

A person has ONE spirit – which is theirs to animate and action their Will.
That person may also have the use of other Spirits – namely, the Spirit of the Father (Holy Spirit) and/or The Spirit of the Son (Jesus Christ).
Thses latter two are not possession OF the person – the person is possed BY the Spirit (Mind you, if the person allows, he may also be POSSED BY Evil Spirits – The Spirit of Satan or HIS Fallen Angels)

How many Spirits does a person have: One (but through the will of God may have the USE of two more)

So, it is a matter of context: Yes, I can have THREE Spirits but (qualifier) TWO are not mine to commanded but to be commanded or guided by.

When a question is not fully understood then request for clarification or rephrasing of that question – do not just refrain from a response nor try to answer with wierd responses – you will be found out!!!

At the very least, expand your respond to incorporate what you think the questioner is asking so that your response is at least shown to be in accordance with what you think the questioner is asking.

[Ed J]

Quote (JustAskin @ Jan. 29 2010,01:01)

When a question is not fully understood then request for clarification or rephrasing of that question – do not just refrain from a response nor try to answer with wierd responses – you will be found out!!! At the very least, expand your respond to incorporate what you think the questioner is asking so that your response is at least shown to be in accordance with what you think the questioner is asking.

Hi JustAskin,

We should all strive for resolution in our differing views of God (A.K.A. agreement),
because God remains constant while our view of him may vary over time.

I wish people would take the truths others hold dear a bit more seriously. Instead people choose
to attack and accuse others, futilely hopping they will abandon their view for the theirs(the accusers)?
This seems to be a common occurrence of people who are a little shortsighted!

Good insight my friend, I just wish others would see the “Truth” in your words!
If people would just take your wisdom to “heart” we would have a lot less bickering here.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[JustAskin]

EDJ,

Thank you. I see the questions being asked that are sometime deliberately phrased to deceive.
The questioned is clearly uncomforted by the question but seems incapable of saying:
“Sorry, I don't understand – can you rephrased that for more or explain more!”,
or “The way that question is phrased is deliberatley boxing me into a two-choice response and 'Hobson's choice at that'!”
(do you know what H.C. is? It is a Single 'choice' masquerading as multi-choice?)

The questioned person then scarabbles around desparatly trying to find a way out and comes across SATAN crouching at what looks like a bluesky doorway…

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To All,

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If you don't understand ask again.
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Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2010,14:26) Marty said: Quote Who said that his body ceased to exist.  His body was in the tomb or sheol which is the grave. His spirit went to God. Okay now you really got me confused. Earlier you said that you believe the “cease to exist” definition. If the body continues to exist in the grave and the spirit goes to God, then what is it that ceases to exist? You are not making any sense. Sheol is not the resting place of the body. It is the resting place of the soul or spirit. The scripture CLEARLY says that Christ's SOUL went to sheol You will not leave my SOUL in hades (or sheol). Hades is where souls went to await the resurrection. Jesus said, “No man has ascended into heaven” (John 3:13). Your misapplication of Ecclesiastes 12:7 is evident. It does not say that the spirit returns to God upon death. The whole idea is contrary to new testament teaching. At the time that Jesus appeared no man had yet ascended into heaven. You read more into a solitary old testament scripture then what is written. thinker Hi thethinker: Life in the body of Jesus ceased to exist until God raised him from the dead.  Again, Life ceased to exist in the body of Jesus until God raised him from the dead Now, does it makes sense.  Not too hard to understand, is it?  Jesus was dead. You are confusing the spirit and the soul.  They are not the same, and what does the fact that no man had ascended into heaven from the dead have to do with this. The spirit of Christ is the doctrine of Christ or is the life that he lived in the body. The scripture states that man will be judged according to his works.  The spirit of Christ is the spirit that will give eternal life first to Jesus and then to those who are his at his coming. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty,

No one denies that the body of Jesus was dead. But it was His body ALONE that was dead.

Which part of Jesus raised Lazarus to life? Was it His body or His spirit essence that did it? If you say it was his body then you need help. If you say it was His spirit essence that raised Lazarus then you should have no problem with accepting that He raised His own body.

Hades (or sheol) was not the grave where dead bodies were placed. Paul said that Jesus was raised from the “abyss” (Rom. 10:7). The KJV says “the deep” and in Revelation 20:1 it says the “bottomless pit.” Satan was (or will be) cast into the abyss. Is satan to be laid in a tomb?

So the “abyss” is not the grave or the tomb. Paul said that Jesus descended into the “lower parts of the earth.” Jesus' body was placed in a tomb and not the “lower parts of the earth.”

The soul or spirit of Jesus went down to hades (the deep, or the abyss).

thinker

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