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Quote (Gene @ Jan. 27 2010,16:45) thinker………Jodi is exactly right when Jesus Dies he ceased to exist just as all do. and do not exist again until a body is infused with spirit and then they become a living soul again. “WHEN A MAN DIES HIS THOUGHTS PARISH” AND AGAIN “THE DEAD KNOW NOTHING” Jesus was not alive when he died or else he was lying when he claimed he was (DEAD). Rev 1:18…..> I am he that liveth, and was (DEAD); and behold, I am alive forevermore,
Now go and argue with Jesus about if he was really dead or not, not us, because that is who your argument really is with.IMO
GeneAnd fear not them which kill the body, “but are not able to kill the soul“: but rather “fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell“. Matt 10:28
Jesus was not a liar was he? Was he making things up when he spoke of Lazarus and the rich man?
WJ
Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2010,08:59) Quote (Gene @ Jan. 28 2010,08:45) thinker………Jodi is exactly right when Jesus Dies he ceased to exist just as all do. and do not exist again until a body is infused with spirit and then they become a living soul again. “WHEN A MAN DIES HIS THOUGHTS PARISH” AND AGAIN “THE DEAD KNOW NOTHING” Jesus was not alive when he died or else he was lying when he claimed he was (DEAD). Rev 1:18…..> I am he that liveth, and was (DEAD); and behold, I am alive forevermore,
Now go and argue with Jesus about if he was really dead or not, not us, because that is who your argument really is with.IMO
Gene,Show from scripture where “dead” means “cease to exist.”
thinker
Thinker…….I meant cease to exist as a SOUL, The spirit given him life DOES CONTINUE TO EXIST THOUGH. But he is not conscious or aware of it, His soul no longer exist, (body + Spirit) he is no longer an individual person distinct from GOD. All SPIRIT come FROM ONE SOURCE and has always existed and is only a SOUL when it is added into a BODY then it can exist as a separate (being) from GOD the FATHER even though GOD can and does indwell that being or Soul.Quote (Gene @ Jan. 28 2010,09:22) Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2010,08:59) Quote (Gene @ Jan. 28 2010,08:45) thinker………Jodi is exactly right when Jesus Dies he ceased to exist just as all do. and do not exist again until a body is infused with spirit and then they become a living soul again. “WHEN A MAN DIES HIS THOUGHTS PARISH” AND AGAIN “THE DEAD KNOW NOTHING” Jesus was not alive when he died or else he was lying when he claimed he was (DEAD). Rev 1:18…..> I am he that liveth, and was (DEAD); and behold, I am alive forevermore,
Now go and argue with Jesus about if he was really dead or not, not us, because that is who your argument really is with.IMO
Gene,Show from scripture where “dead” means “cease to exist.”
thinker
Thinker…….I meant cease to exist as a SOUL, The spirit given him life DOES CONTINUE TO EXIST THOUGH. But he is not conscious or aware of it, His soul no longer exist, (body + Spirit) he is no longer an individual person distinct from GOD. All SPIRIT come FROM ONE SOURCE and has always existed and is only a SOUL when it is added into a BODY then it can exist as a separate (being) from GOD the FATHER even though GOD can and does indwell that being or Soul.
Gene,I have always said that most men went down to hades to “sleep.” This would mean that they were unconscious. But there were exceptions. Some men went down to hades ALIVE (or conscious). The story of the rich man and Lazarus proves it. Jesus said the rich man “died” and that “from hades He lifted up his eyes and cried….”
The rich man was “dead” to this world but still conscious in hades.
Jesus went down to hades (or sheol) ALIVE. He likened His death and resurrection to Jonah's being in the belly of the fish. Jonah was ALIVE in the fish wasn't he?
You seem to have made an adjustment on this point. But Jodi Lee's doctrine is thoroughly that of the Sadducees. We know that Jesus and Paul did not side with the Sadducees.
thinker
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 28 2010,09:20) Quote (Gene @ Jan. 27 2010,16:45) thinker………Jodi is exactly right when Jesus Dies he ceased to exist just as all do. and do not exist again until a body is infused with spirit and then they become a living soul again. “WHEN A MAN DIES HIS THOUGHTS PARISH” AND AGAIN “THE DEAD KNOW NOTHING” Jesus was not alive when he died or else he was lying when he claimed he was (DEAD). Rev 1:18…..> I am he that liveth, and was (DEAD); and behold, I am alive forevermore,
Now go and argue with Jesus about if he was really dead or not, not us, because that is who your argument really is with.IMO
GeneAnd fear not them which kill the body, “but are not able to kill the soul“: but rather “fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell“. Matt 10:28
Jesus was not a liar was he? Was he making things up when he spoke of Lazarus and the rich man?
WJ
Wj……..notice where the body and Soul is destoryed (the grave) The word Hell there is GRAVE. Now why is that , it is because a (SOUL) can not exist outside of a BODY. SPIRIT(intellect) + a BODY = a living SOUL. A (SOUL) does not exist without both. When Jesus Died his Body went to the grave and His spirit went to GOD who gave it. He was gone like all who die are. But GOD RAISED HIS BODY and ADD SPIRIT BACK INTO it and Jesus became a living SOUL again. Until that took place Jesus was dead as dead can be. Jesus said he was dead , Just believe Jesus and quite trying to make him into a liar. Death is not the place of the living, “their thoughts parish in the day they die” as it say, and as far as i know if you have no thoughts you are not alive. Of course the MYSTERY RELIGIONS HAVE other IDEAS. They think people go to heaven and play on harps for eternity. To each his own i suppose.peace and love………….gene
Quote (Gene @ Jan. 28 2010,08:45) thinker………Jodi is exactly right when Jesus Dies he ceased to exist just as all do. and do not exist again until a body is infused with spirit and then they become a living soul again. “WHEN A MAN DIES HIS THOUGHTS PARISH” AND AGAIN “THE DEAD KNOW NOTHING” Jesus was not alive when he died or else he was lying when he claimed he was (DEAD). Rev 1:18…..> I am he that liveth, and was (DEAD); and behold, I am alive forevermore,
Now go and argue with Jesus about if he was really dead or not, not us, because that is who your argument really is with.IMO
Amen to this Gene.He was dead, and he said so himself.
Love in Christ,
MartyThinker……….Jodi see it the same as i, and your taking a Metaphor and transposing to to a literial circumstance is not right. Lazarus and the rich man is not a literial story. Its a Metaphor. The bosom of Abraham is reflective of GOD the FATHER preserving Lazarus and the Rich man was in a condition of Judgment and reflective of the all consuming Judgements of GOD working on those who are not yet saved. It is to give us an understanding of the difference between those who have passed from Judgment to life and those who must go through the judgments of GOD. But that does not mean that they ultimately will not be saved. IMO
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 28 2010,03:51) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2010,04:06) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 27 2010,18:06) Ed You quote half of my question and then proceed to answer my question. Why did you do that?
You quoted me as asking…
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 26 2010,20:41) how many Spirits do you have?
But my question was…Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 26 2010,20:41) So is Jesus in you, and how many Spirits do you have?
Then you say…Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,21:09) How do you get three?
I never said there were three spirits did I?Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 26 2010,20:41) So is Jesus in you, and how many Spirits do you have?
Now those were very good scriptures that you quote saying that we have “Only One Spirit”.But you left out a few…
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you “ANOTHER COUNSELOR” to be with you forever– John 14:16
But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit,”WHOM THE FATHER WILL SEND IN MY NAME”, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. John 14:26
“When the Counselor comes, “WHOM I WILL SEND TO YOU FROM THE FATHER”, the Spirit of truth “WHO GOES OUT FROM THE FATHER’, he will testify about me. John 15:26
In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but “the Spirit himself intercedes for us” (intercedes to who) with groans that words cannot express. And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because “the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will“. Rom 8:26, 27
For through him (Jesus) we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Eph 2:18
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that *Jesus Christ is in you*, except ye be reprobates? II Cor 13:5
For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, Phil 1:19
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Rom 8:9
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and “make our abode with him”. Jn 14:23
And last but not least…
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Gal 4:6
Does the Father cry Father?
Yet we know God dwells in his people!
So my complete question is…
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 26 2010,20:41) So is Jesus in you, and how many Spirits do you have?
I believe there is One God, Three Persons, and One Spirit. Matt 28:19The very essence of what the Father is, the Son and the Holy Spirit are also!
Show us by the scriptures how that is not so?
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,Third Post down…
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….4;st=50On that thread: “Only” “ONE Question” Per Post; OK?
That way Everybody's question should get addressed!
Whenever people put up multiple questions, the question
they want addressed MOST usually doesn't get addressed!
Have you had occasion to noticed this pattern happening at all?
EdListen, you started the dialogue with me in this thread in which I responded to you.
You cannot set up rules for questions in one thread that you created, and then post in other threads that someone else created and then force the same rules there.
Are you not able to answer more than one question in a thread?
I will take this to mean you are not going to answer my question!
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,You have asked 9 questions? The one question (I believe was your most important) I did answer at that link.
If your goal is to get resolution. Then we need to discuss each and every point in detail.If you are trying to convince yourself and TT how smart and
correct you guy's (falsely) are then you are doing a great Job!However if you are trying to get others to see the truths
that you hold dear, then you are FAILING MISERABLY!My goal is to establish “Truth”. Perhapps this may not be your goal after all?
Think about it!Ed J
Gene
Quote (Gene @ Jan. 27 2010,17:43) [Wj……..notice where the body and Soul is destoryed (the grave) The word Hell there is GRAVE. Now why is that , it is because a (SOUL) can not exist outside of a BODY. SPIRIT(intellect) + a BODY = a living SOUL. A (SOUL) does not exist without both.
You just made the word of God of none effect.Even if hell was the grave as you say (which it is not) then Jesus words are useless, because if they destoy the Body according to you then they destroy the Soul since the soul according to you cannot exist without a Body.
Do you see that Gene?
Now check the Greek word for Hell, it is Strong's G1067 – geenna and means…
1)”Hell is the place of the future punishment call “Gehenna” or “Gehenna of fire”. This was originally the valley of Hinnom, south of Jerusalem, where the filth and dead animals of the city were cast out and burned; a fit symbol of the wicked and their future destruction.
No mention of the word “Grave”.
Now listen to Jesus words again…
And fear not them which kill the body, “but are not able to kill the soul“: but rather “fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell (geenna)“. Matt 10:28
And…
And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell (geenna) fire.
Does the grave have fire?
The Greek word used for Grave throughout the NT is Strong's G3419 – mnēmeion which means…
1) any visible object for preserving or recalling the memory of any person or thing
a) a memorial, monument, specifically, a sepulchral monument
2) a sepulchre, a tomb
Sorry Gene, you have it wrong!
WJ
Hi:
The only way that Jesus would be indicating that he would be raising himself is by his Faith in God's Word. Other than that, the scriptures are clear that it was God who raised him from the dead.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2010,18:04) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 28 2010,03:51) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2010,04:06) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 27 2010,18:06) Ed You quote half of my question and then proceed to answer my question. Why did you do that?
You quoted me as asking…
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 26 2010,20:41) how many Spirits do you have?
But my question was…Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 26 2010,20:41) So is Jesus in you, and how many Spirits do you have?
Then you say…Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,21:09) How do you get three?
I never said there were three spirits did I?Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 26 2010,20:41) So is Jesus in you, and how many Spirits do you have?
Now those were very good scriptures that you quote saying that we have “Only One Spirit”.But you left out a few…
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you “ANOTHER COUNSELOR” to be with you forever– John 14:16
But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit,”WHOM THE FATHER WILL SEND IN MY NAME”, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. John 14:26
“When the Counselor comes, “WHOM I WILL SEND TO YOU FROM THE FATHER”, the Spirit of truth “WHO GOES OUT FROM THE FATHER’, he will testify about me. John 15:26
In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but “the Spirit himself intercedes for us” (intercedes to who) with groans that words cannot express. And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because “the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will“. Rom 8:26, 27
For through him (Jesus) we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Eph 2:18
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that *Jesus Christ is in you*, except ye be reprobates? II Cor 13:5
For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, Phil 1:19
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Rom 8:9
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and “make our abode with him”. Jn 14:23
And last but not least…
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Gal 4:6
Does the Father cry Father?
Yet we know God dwells in his people!
So my complete question is…
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 26 2010,20:41) So is Jesus in you, and how many Spirits do you have?
I believe there is One God, Three Persons, and One Spirit. Matt 28:19The very essence of what the Father is, the Son and the Holy Spirit are also!
Show us by the scriptures how that is not so?
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,Third Post down…
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….4;st=50On that thread: “Only” “ONE Question” Per Post; OK?
That way Everybody's question should get addressed!
Whenever people put up multiple questions, the question
they want addressed MOST usually doesn't get addressed!
Have you had occasion to noticed this pattern happening at all?
EdListen, you started the dialogue with me in this thread in which I responded to you.
You cannot set up rules for questions in one thread that you created, and then post in other threads that someone else created and then force the same rules there.
Are you not able to answer more than one question in a thread?
I will take this to mean you are not going to answer my question!
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,You have asked 9 questions? The one question (I believe was your most important) I did answer at that link.
If your goal is to get resolution. Then we need to discuss each and every point in detail.If you are trying to convince yourself and TT how smart and
correct you guy's (falsely) are then you are doing a great Job!However if you are trying to get others to see the truths
that you hold dear, then you are FAILING MISERABLY!My goal is to establish “Truth”. Perhapps this may not be your goal after all?
Think about it!Ed J
EdNo you think about it. I offered to engage you one on one in the debates thread so we could have more control in what questions we do ask, but you said no to this.
You engage me in this thread and then when the dialogue gets difficult for you then you want to change the rules.
It is seems to me you are not interested in the truth but to promote your doctine and your book!
Blessins WJ
Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2010,09:48) Quote (Gene @ Jan. 28 2010,08:45) thinker………Jodi is exactly right when Jesus Dies he ceased to exist just as all do. and do not exist again until a body is infused with spirit and then they become a living soul again. “WHEN A MAN DIES HIS THOUGHTS PARISH” AND AGAIN “THE DEAD KNOW NOTHING” Jesus was not alive when he died or else he was lying when he claimed he was (DEAD). Rev 1:18…..> I am he that liveth, and was (DEAD); and behold, I am alive forevermore,
Now go and argue with Jesus about if he was really dead or not, not us, because that is who your argument really is with.IMO
Amen to this Gene.He was dead, and he said so himself.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty,Where in scripture does “dead” mean “cease to exist?”
thinker
TT
yes you right Jesus say that ,and in another place he also said ,that he give his live willingly and he will take it back ;Jn 10:17 The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again.
so that ok it still his father who does it for him not himself,you are a twister.
Quote (Gene @ Jan. 28 2010,09:57) Thinker……….Jodi see it the same as i, and your taking a Metaphor and transposing to to a literial circumstance is not right. Lazarus and the rich man is not a literial story. Its a Metaphor. The bosom of Abraham is reflective of GOD the FATHER preserving Lazarus and the Rich man was in a condition of Judgment and reflective of the all consuming Judgements of GOD working on those who are not yet saved. It is to give us an understanding of the difference between those who have passed from Judgment to life and those who must go through the judgments of GOD. But that does not mean that they ultimately will not be saved. IMO
Gene,First, the rich man and Lazarus was a TRUE TO LIFE story. There is no indication that Jesus was speaking an allegory.
Second, and here is the biggie slam dunk against you. In the same chapter you will see that Jesus gave another story which was from REAL LIFE,
Quote 1 He also said to His disciples: “There was a certain rich man who had a steward, and an accusation was brought to him that this man was wasting his goods. 2 So he called him and said to him, ‘What is this I hear about you? Give an account of your stewardship, for you can no longer be steward.’
3 “Then the steward said within himself, ‘What shall I do? For my master is taking the stewardship away from me. I cannot dig; I am ashamed to beg. 4 I have resolved what to do, that when I am put out of the stewardship, they may receive me into their houses.’
5 “So he called every one of his master’s debtors to him, and said to the first, ‘How much do you owe my master?’ 6 And he said, ‘A hundred measures of oil.’ So he said to him, ‘Take your bill, and sit down quickly and write fifty.’ 7 Then he said to another, ‘And how much do you owe?’ So he said, ‘A hundred measuresof wheat.’ And he said to him, ‘Take your bill, and write eighty.’ 8 So the master commended the unjust steward because he had dealt shrewdly. For the sons of this world are more shrewd in their generation than the sons of light.
9 “And I say to you, make friends for yourselves by unrighteous mammon, that when you fail, they may receive you into an everlasting home. 10 He who is faithful in what is least is faithful also in much; and he who is unjust in what is least is unjust also in much. 11 Therefore if you have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches? 12 And if you have not been faithful in what is another man’s, who will give you what is your own?
13 “No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.”
Read this story and then tell me it is not true to life.Fourth, you said that you agree the same as Jodi. Then you must conclude that the spirit that appeared in Jesus' body was an imposter. If Jesus “ceased to exist” as you say then the spirit that appeared in His body was NOT the same spirit that was born in that body or that suffered and died in that body. Period!
The story of the rich man and Lazarus was TRUE TO LIFE!
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2010,11:04) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2010,09:48) Quote (Gene @ Jan. 28 2010,08:45) thinker………Jodi is exactly right when Jesus Dies he ceased to exist just as all do. and do not exist again until a body is infused with spirit and then they become a living soul again. “WHEN A MAN DIES HIS THOUGHTS PARISH” AND AGAIN “THE DEAD KNOW NOTHING” Jesus was not alive when he died or else he was lying when he claimed he was (DEAD). Rev 1:18…..> I am he that liveth, and was (DEAD); and behold, I am alive forevermore,
Now go and argue with Jesus about if he was really dead or not, not us, because that is who your argument really is with.IMO
Amen to this Gene.He was dead, and he said so himself.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty,Where in scripture does “dead” mean “cease to exist?”
thinker
Hi thethinker:I just mean that he was dead, and I believe that is what was meant by the statement that he “ceased to exist”.
His body was in the tomb, and his spirit was with God. There was no life in the body.
Love in Christ,
MartyEd
WorshippingJesus said to ED J:
Quote No you think about it. I offered to engage you one on one in the debates thread so we could have more control in what questions we do ask, but you said no to this. You engage me in this thread and then when the dialogue gets difficult for you then you want to change the rules.
It is seems to me you are not interested in the truth but to promote your doctine and your book!
Blessins WJ
WJ,This is why I don't like to discourse with this guy.
thinker
Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2010,11:30) Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2010,11:04) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2010,09:48) Quote (Gene @ Jan. 28 2010,08:45) thinker………Jodi is exactly right when Jesus Dies he ceased to exist just as all do. and do not exist again until a body is infused with spirit and then they become a living soul again. “WHEN A MAN DIES HIS THOUGHTS PARISH” AND AGAIN “THE DEAD KNOW NOTHING” Jesus was not alive when he died or else he was lying when he claimed he was (DEAD). Rev 1:18…..> I am he that liveth, and was (DEAD); and behold, I am alive forevermore,
Now go and argue with Jesus about if he was really dead or not, not us, because that is who your argument really is with.IMO
Amen to this Gene.He was dead, and he said so himself.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty,Where in scripture does “dead” mean “cease to exist?”
thinker
Hi thethinker:I just mean that he was dead, and I believe that is what was meant by the statement that he “ceased to exist”.
His body was in the tomb, and his spirit was with God. There was no life in the body.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty,Are you even paying attention? No one is saying that the body of Jesus didn't die. We're saying that His spirit remained alive. You say that His spirit went to God. Well then, it should be no problem for you then to accept that He could raise His body up Himself.
The spirit of Jesus did not go to God. It went down to hades for three days.
thinker
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 28 2010,11:10) TT
yes you right Jesus say that ,and in another place he also said ,that he give his live willingly and he will take it back ;Jn 10:17 The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again.
so that ok it still his father who does it for him not himself,you are a twister.
t,Read your post attentively. You are contradicting yourself.
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2010,11:35) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2010,11:30) Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 28 2010,11:04) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 28 2010,09:48) Quote (Gene @ Jan. 28 2010,08:45) thinker………Jodi is exactly right when Jesus Dies he ceased to exist just as all do. and do not exist again until a body is infused with spirit and then they become a living soul again. “WHEN A MAN DIES HIS THOUGHTS PARISH” AND AGAIN “THE DEAD KNOW NOTHING” Jesus was not alive when he died or else he was lying when he claimed he was (DEAD). Rev 1:18…..> I am he that liveth, and was (DEAD); and behold, I am alive forevermore,
Now go and argue with Jesus about if he was really dead or not, not us, because that is who your argument really is with.IMO
Amen to this Gene.He was dead, and he said so himself.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty,Where in scripture does “dead” mean “cease to exist?”
thinker
Hi thethinker:I just mean that he was dead, and I believe that is what was meant by the statement that he “ceased to exist”.
His body was in the tomb, and his spirit was with God. There was no life in the body.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty,Are you even paying attention? No one is saying that the body of Jesus didn't die. We're saying that His spirit remained alive. You say that His spirit went to God. Well then, it should be no problem for you then to accept that He could raise His body up Himself.
The spirit of Jesus did not go to God. It went down to hades for three days.
thinker
Hi thethinker:Sorry, his spirit did not go down to hades. He said in praying to the Father:
Quote Luk 23:46 And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said, “Father, 'into Your hands I commit My spirit.' ” Having said this, He breathed His last. And he did not raise himself, God raised him from the dead. There many scriptures which state this.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 28 2010,10:11) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2010,18:04) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 28 2010,03:51) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 27 2010,04:06) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 27 2010,18:06) Ed You quote half of my question and then proceed to answer my question. Why did you do that?
You quoted me as asking…
WorshippingJesus,Jan. wrote:how many Spirits do you have?
But my question was…Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 26 2010,20:41) So is Jesus in you, and how many Spirits do you have?
Then you say…Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 26 2010,21:09) How do you get three?
I never said there were three spirits did I?Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 26 2010,20:41) So is Jesus in you, and how many Spirits do you have?
Now those were very good scriptures that you quote saying that we have “Only One Spirit”.But you left out a few…
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you “ANOTHER COUNSELOR” to be with you forever– John 14:16
But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit,”WHOM THE FATHER WILL SEND IN MY NAME”, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. John 14:26
“When the Counselor comes, “WHOM I WILL SEND TO YOU FROM THE FATHER”, the Spirit of truth “WHO GOES OUT FROM THE FATHER’, he will testify about me. John 15:26
In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but “the Spirit himself intercedes for us” (intercedes to who) with groans that words cannot express. And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because “the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will“. Rom 8:26, 27
For through him (Jesus) we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Eph 2:18
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that *Jesus Christ is in you*, except ye be reprobates? II Cor 13:5
For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, Phil 1:19
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Rom 8:9
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and “make our abode with him”. Jn 14:23
And last but not least…
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Gal 4:6
Does the Father cry Father?
Yet we know God dwells in his people!
So my complete question is…
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 26 2010,20:41) So is Jesus in you, and how many Spirits do you have?
I believe there is One God, Three Persons, and One Spirit. Matt 28:19The very essence of what the Father is, the Son and the Holy Spirit are also!
Show us by the scriptures how that is not so?
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,Third Post down…
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….4;st=50On that thread: “Only” “ONE Question” Per Post; OK?
That way Everybody's question should get addressed!
Whenever people put up multiple questions, the question
they want addressed MOST usually doesn't get addressed!
Have you had occasion to noticed this pattern happening at all?
EdListen, you started the dialogue with me in this thread in which I responded to you.
You cannot set up rules for questions in one thread that you created, and then post in other threads that someone else created and then force the same rules there.
Are you not able to answer more than one question in a thread?
I will take this to mean you are not going to answer my question!
Blessings WJ
EdNo you think about it. 1) I offered to engage you one on one in the debates thread so we could have more control in what questions we do ask, but you said no to this.
You engage me in this thread 2) and then when the dialogue gets difficult for you then you want to change the rules.
It is seems to me you are not interested in the truth but to promote your doctine and your book!
Blessins WJ
Hi WJ,Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 27 2010,18:06)
Do you really 'think' you are actually getting somewhere (on this 'first' post) with scrambling
a bunch of your ideas together that nobody seems to agree with other than TT.On this last Post: You go from one extreme to the other…
1) In one case: You want no one else to participate (in our dialog) for reasons unknown.
2) In the other case(first Post): You make so many garbled points that when they get neglected
you assume that there is no adequate response to your rock solid (false) provocative truths.Is it really me that doesn't get it. I think others here understand these points rather clearly!
You don't seem to be interested in establishing true “Bible Truth” to others.
You only seem to be interested in conflict
and stroking your ego.
Please explain how I got this all wrong? I would really enjoy hearing your explanation.Hi thethinker:
I believe that you are confusing the spirit and the soul. They are not the same.
As I have shown you, the spirit of Jesus went to God at his death, but his soul:
Quote Act 2:27 For You will not leave my soul in Hades, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption. Love in Christ,
Marty
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