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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 27 2010,12:53) Hi TT,
Surely you would not build your teaching on one verse in Jn2?
Show us other supporting verses.You will find about 17 or so telling us God raised him.
NHAnd surely you would not reject the teaching of one verse, would you?
Blessings WJ
January 27, 2010 at 6:27 pm#173826KangarooJackParticipantQuote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 28 2010,04:53) Hi TT,
Surely you would not build your teaching on one verse in Jn2?
Show us other supporting verses.You will find about 17 or so telling us God raised him.
Nick,I gave Mark 9:31. Jesus used the middle voice form of the verb.
EXAMPLE:
“The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.” 2 Peter 2:22 ESV
The word “herself” is not in the Greek. But the word “washing” is written in the middle voice form so the word “herself” is supplied. The sow acts upon herself.
In Mark 9:31 the verb “shall rise” is written in the middle voice form. A literal translation would be,
He shall raise Himself up the third day.
Jesus acted upon Himself.
thinker
January 27, 2010 at 6:30 pm#173828NickHassanParticipantHi TT,
And the Spirit of God speaking through Jesus did raise him.
So where are more verses saying he raised himself?January 27, 2010 at 6:38 pm#173832Worshipping JesusParticipantQuote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 27 2010,13:30) Hi TT,
And the Spirit of God speaking through Jesus did raise him.
So where are more verses saying he raised himself?
NHJohn and the Apostles disagree with you…
When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that “he had said” this unto them; “and they believed the scripture, AND THE WORD WHICH JESUS HAD SAID“. John 2:22
Blessings WJ
January 27, 2010 at 6:42 pm#173834kerwinParticipantThe thinker wrote:
Quote The words “raise up” does not mean “build.”
What is a barn raising?
The Greek word simply means the coming out into public for the first time and can be used for birth, resurrection, or a building. That list is not necessary all inclusive as I am going from memory.
January 27, 2010 at 6:58 pm#173836Worshipping JesusParticipantQuote (kerwin @ Jan. 27 2010,13:42) The thinker wrote: Quote The words “raise up” does not mean “build.”
What is a barn raising?
The Greek word simply means the coming out into public for the first time and can be used for birth, resurrection, or a building. That list is not necessary all inclusive as I am going from memory.
KerwinTrue, depending on its context. What we are trying to show you is the Greek context does not allow for any other meaning!
Blessings WJ
January 27, 2010 at 7:01 pm#173837KangarooJackParticipantQuote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 28 2010,05:30) Hi TT,
And the Spirit of God speaking through Jesus did raise him.
So where are more verses saying he raised himself?
Nick,In Mark 10:34 the word “to rise” is also written in the middle voice form.
καὶ ἐμπαίξουσιν αὐτῷ καὶ ἐμπτύσουσιν2 αὐτῷ καὶ μαστιγώσουσιν αὐτὸν καὶ ἀποκτενοῦσιν, καὶ μετὰ τρεῖς ἡμέρας ἀναστήσεται.
The the ending of the last word (in bold) is the middle voice ending of “to rise.” Literally it would read,
and they will mock Him, and scourge Him, and spit on Him, and kill Him. And the third day He will raise Himself again.”
Okay so we have:
1. John 2:19-21
2. Mark 9:31
3. Mark 10:34How many statements does it take Nick?
thinker
January 27, 2010 at 7:16 pm#173838KangarooJackParticipantQuote (kerwin @ Jan. 28 2010,05:42) The thinker wrote: Quote The words “raise up” does not mean “build.”
What is a barn raising?
The Greek word simply means the coming out into public for the first time and can be used for birth, resurrection, or a building. That list is not necessary all inclusive as I am going from memory.
Kerwin,Jesus commanded the Jews to “destroy THIS temple.” The verb is in the imperative mood. Jesus actually COMMANDED them to destroy “THIS” temple.
Would Jesus command them to destroy the spiritual temple? And when was the spiritual temple destroyed and rebuilt in three days?
He commanded them to destroy the temple of His body.
thinker
January 27, 2010 at 7:32 pm#173844NickHassanParticipantHi TT,
So where is the support from scripture for your premise?January 27, 2010 at 8:28 pm#173867Jodi LeeParticipantMy two sense, sorry it is so long, but my understanding comes from the richness that exists in scripture.
Acts 2:30 Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, 31 he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. 33 Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.
Jesus was a MAN who died. He was a man who ceased to exist, as scripture states there is NO WORK in the grave, the dead cannot praise God, all is vanity to think man has advantage over the animals. Or shall we deny that Jesus was indeed a human? To say that he was MORE is to then in fact say that he really was NOT human and such is PURE ANTICHRIST. Our Heavenly Father promised that He would not allow His Holy One to see corruption, that He would give to Jesus His Eternal Spirit raising him from the dead and making his BODY of flesh and bones immortal.
1 Thessalonians 1:9 For they themselves declare concerning us what manner of entry we had to you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, 10 and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.
1 John 5:18 We have known that every one who hath been begotten of God doth not sin, but he who was begotten of God doth keep himself, and the evil one doth not touch him; 19 we have known that of God we are, and the whole world in the evil doth lie; 20 and we have known that the Son of God is come, and hath given us a mind, that we may know Him who is true, and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ; this one is the true God and the life age-during! 21 Little children, guard yourselves from the idols! Amen.
Acts 4:10 let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole.
Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
Galatians 1:1 Paul, an apostle (not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised Him from the dead), 2 and all the brethren who are with me, To the churches of
Hebrews 13:20 Now may the God of peace who brought up our Lord Jesus from the dead, that great Shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Acts 17: 29 Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man's devising. 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”
Romans 6:1 What, then, shall we say? shall we continue in the sin that the grace may abound? 2 let it not be! we who died to the sin — how shall we still live in it? 3 are ye ignorant that we, as many as were baptized to Christ Jesus, to his death were baptized? 4 we were buried together, then, with him through the baptism to the death, that even as Christ was raised up out of the dead through the glory of the Father, so also we in newness of life might walk. 5 For, if we have become planted together to the likeness of his death, so also we shall be of the rising again;6 this knowing, that our old man was crucified with him, that the body of the sin may be made useless, for our no longer serving the sin; 7 for he who hath died hath been set free from the sin. 8 And if we died with Christ, we believe that we also shall live with him,9 knowing that Christ, having been raised up out of the dead, doth no more die, death over him hath no more lordship; 10 for in that he died, to the sin he died once, and in that he liveth, he liveth to God; 11 so also ye, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to the sin, and living to God in Jesus Christ our Lord.
Jesus is our HUMAN Master, and as the life he lives to this very day he lives TO God our Heavenly Father, we too shall live our lives TO God. Christ reconciled us back NOT to himself, but to His Father, who is his God and our God, his Father and our Father.
John 6:39 `And this is the will of the Father who sent me,that all that He hath given to me I may not lose of it, but may raise it up in the last day; 40 and this is the will of Him who sent me, that every one who is beholding the Son, and is believing in him, may have life age-during, and I will raise him up in the last day
Galatians 1:4 who did give himself for our sins, that he might deliver us out of the present evil age, according to the will of God even our Father, 5 to whom is the glory to the ages of the ages. Amen.
Romans 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. 12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors–not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.”
The Spirit of Christ that needs to be in us is the spirit of a man who follows not his flesh but the will of our Heavenly Father. Our faith is to believe that Jesus was IN FACT JUST PURE human NOTHING ELSE, and that the Father raised him from the dead, and upon that rising Jesus brought with him salvation to all.
When our Heavenly Father raised up Jesus, what came with that rising IN Jesus that Jesus brought forth?
John 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
1 Corinthians 15:14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. 15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up–if in fact the dead do not rise. 16 For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. 17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! 18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If in this life only
we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable. 20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.John 2:18 the Jews then answered and said to him, `What sign dost thou shew to us — that thou dost these things?' 19 Jesus answered and said to them, `Destroy this sanctuary, and in three days I will raise it up.' 20 The Jews, therefore, said, `Forty and six years was this sanctuary building, and wilt thou in three days raise it up?' 21 but he spake concerning the sanctuary of his body; 22 when, then, he was raised out of the dead, his disciples remembered that he said this to them, and they believed the Writing, and the word that Jesus said.
When Jesus says he would raise the temple, meaning his body, he in no way was saying that he would be bringing himself back to life and giving himself immortality. The sign that comes with the rising of Christ is the hope of eternal life to all men. Jesus raised up Eternal Salvation. In Jesus is Eternal Salvation of which came through the Will and Plan of the Father.
John 6:39 `And this is the will of the Father who sent me,that all that He hath given to me I may not lose of it, but may raise it up in the last day; 40 and this is the will of Him who sent me, that every one who is beholding the Son, and is believing in him, may have life age-during, and I will raise him up in the last day.
John 6:57 `According as the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, he also who is eating me, even that one shall live because of me;
1 Corinthians 6:14 and God both the Lord did raise, and us will raise up through His power. 15 Have ye not known that your bodies are members of Christ? having taken, then, the members of the Christ, shall I make them members of an harlot? let it be not! 16 have ye not known that he who is joined to the harlot is one body? `for they shall be — saith He — the two for one flesh.' 17 And he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit; 18 flee the whoredom; every sin — whatever a man may commit — is without the body, and he who is committing whoredom, against his own body doth sin. 19 Have ye not known that your body is a sanctuary of the Holy Spirit in you, which ye have from God? and ye are not your own, 20 for ye were bought with a price; glorify, then, God in your body and in your spirit, which are God's.
Romans 12: 4 For as we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function, 5 so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another.
1 Corinthians 12:11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills. 12 For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body–whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free–and have all been made to drink into one Spirit………. 27 Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually.
1 Corinthians 10:16 The cup of the blessing that we bless — is it not the fellowship of the blood of the Christ? the bread that we break — is it not the fellowship of the body of the Christ? 17 because one bread, one body, are we the many — for we all of the one bread do partake.
In Jesus at his rising was not the power of him raising himself. Such a doctrine is of the purest form of antichrist doctrine!!
The Power that raised Jesus from the dead was the Father's…. WAS the Father's.The Body that Jesus did raise was the BODY of which we all share, the Body of Eternal Salvation for Human Beings!!
Acts 13:23 From this man's seed, according to the promise, God raised up for Israel a Savior–Jesus—
John 17:3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
When in John verse 2 Jesus told the men “in three days I will raise it up”, are we really suppose to believe that Jesus was declaring that his sign was all about him being able to raise himself from the dead?Jesus did not raise up eternal salvation for all men through raising himself from the dead. Jesus brought forth eternal salvation through being the MAN who followed the Will of God remaining sinless because he was the man begotten by God having received God’s Spirit without measure. Jesus was proof of what God’s Spirit could do for man, for the flesh profits nothing but the Spirit is what brings man into righteousness and into life.
Acts 2:24 whom God did raise up, having loosed the pains of the death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it.
God raised the man Jesus from the dead because Jesus was not deserving of the penalty of death, because he was a perfect MAN. To believe in Jesus is to believe in what the Father’s Spirit can accomplish in man. Jesus brings forth eternal salvation to all, because if the Father can bring perfection through His Spirit into one man then He mostly certainly can do it for all men.Why are we found blameless through the death of one man?
Because in Jesus God is ALL in ALL, meaning that which He fulfilled in Jesus He will fulfill in all of us in due time. Believing in Christ, the man anointed with the Holy Spirit, is believing that God too will anoint us with His Spirit.
However as Gene so rightly explains it people are too caught up in their own vanity having the delusion that it is their own free will that ultimately is what brings forth their salvation. Thus they do not understand the depth and richness of what it truly means to believe in the MAN called CHRIST.
Ezekiel 36:25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. 28 Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God.
Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.” 13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Romans 11:30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.
Man makes choices according to influences brought forth, when our Heavenly Father chooses He brings forth the influences necessary for each of us to CAUSE us to choose Him. Romans 11:29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
The PROOF that such influences made through God’s Spirit does indeed work, is I
N Jesus!! YHWH puts forth His Spirit and that causes us to choose Him. This calling is impossible to deny for YHWH's Wisdom and Strength surpass any influences that are within man's pathetic flesh. Who declares that man's influences are STRONGER and more powerful then that of YHWH's? Such a belief is pure vanity and delusion.The NEW COVENANT, is not in the law which only proved that our own flesh profits us nothing, but is IN the GIVING of the Father's Spirit. The Spirit works righteousness and salvation. We have proof of this in Jesus, the MAN who was in FACT ANOINTED with this Spirit.
January 27, 2010 at 8:46 pm#173874NickHassanParticipantQuote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 28 2010,05:13) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 27 2010,12:53) Hi TT,
Surely you would not build your teaching on one verse in Jn2?
Show us other supporting verses.You will find about 17 or so telling us God raised him.
NHAnd surely you would not reject the teaching of one verse, would you?
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,
Letting the bible teach us does mean finding support for verses for clarification.[2Cor13.1]. The JWs problems and false dogmas such as “michael is Jesus' started from one verse teaching.January 27, 2010 at 8:50 pm#173875KangarooJackParticipantJodi Lee said:
Quote Jesus was a MAN who died. He was a man who ceased to exist TO ALL:
There you have it! Jodi Lee said that Jesus “ceased to exist.” This means that someone else appeared in His body.
Jodi Lee's wordy post is entirely refuted on this one point alone.
If Jesus Christ “ceased to exist,” then it was an imposter who appeared in His body.
Jodi Lee should study the story of the rich man and Lazarus. They both “died” but the one “cried out” from hades and the other was “comforted” in Abraham's bosom. Imagine that, people who “cease to exist” being able to suffer and cry and be comforted.
Just watch guys. Jodi Lee will post some loooong reply to me pulling unrelated scriptures from everywhere. If it was all as clear in her mind as she puts on she would be able to say it short and sweet.
thinker
January 27, 2010 at 9:19 pm#173884NickHassanParticipantHi TT,
You are right.
His soul lived in the Spirit of his God till he returned to his battered flesh.January 27, 2010 at 9:45 pm#173895GeneBalthropParticipantthinker………Jodi is exactly right when Jesus Dies he ceased to exist just as all do. and do not exist again until a body is infused with spirit and then they become a living soul again. “WHEN A MAN DIES HIS THOUGHTS PARISH” AND AGAIN “THE DEAD KNOW NOTHING” Jesus was not alive when he died or else he was lying when he claimed he was (DEAD).
Rev 1:18…..> I am he that liveth, and was (DEAD); and behold, I am alive forevermore,
Now go and argue with Jesus about if he was really dead or not, not us, because that is who your argument really is with.IMO
January 27, 2010 at 9:57 pm#173904KangarooJackParticipantQuote (Gene @ Jan. 28 2010,08:45) thinker………Jodi is exactly right when Jesus Dies he ceased to exist just as all do. and do not exist again until a body is infused with spirit and then they become a living soul again. “WHEN A MAN DIES HIS THOUGHTS PARISH” AND AGAIN “THE DEAD KNOW NOTHING” Jesus was not alive when he died or else he was lying when he claimed he was (DEAD). Rev 1:18…..> I am he that liveth, and was (DEAD); and behold, I am alive forevermore,
Now go and argue with Jesus about if he was really dead or not, not us, because that is who your argument really is with.IMO
Gene,Chapter and verse please. The fact is that when a soul ceases to exist it is gone. So if Jesus ceased to exist then it was ANOTHER soul that appeared in His body and pretended to be Jesus.
Are you really comfortable knowing that you side with the Sadducees when Jesus and Paul did not? Explain the story of the rich man and Lazarus.
thinker
January 27, 2010 at 9:59 pm#173905KangarooJackParticipantQuote (Gene @ Jan. 28 2010,08:45) thinker………Jodi is exactly right when Jesus Dies he ceased to exist just as all do. and do not exist again until a body is infused with spirit and then they become a living soul again. “WHEN A MAN DIES HIS THOUGHTS PARISH” AND AGAIN “THE DEAD KNOW NOTHING” Jesus was not alive when he died or else he was lying when he claimed he was (DEAD). Rev 1:18…..> I am he that liveth, and was (DEAD); and behold, I am alive forevermore,
Now go and argue with Jesus about if he was really dead or not, not us, because that is who your argument really is with.IMO
Gene,Show from scripture where “dead” means “cease to exist.”
thinker
January 27, 2010 at 9:59 pm#173906Jodi LeeParticipantHow pathetic Thinker that you deny so many scriptures and cannot even understand a parable?
Scripture says that no one has ascended to heaven, not even David. As well, the dead as scripture clearly states CANNOT praise God, they have NO MEMORY, they are spoken of as being ASLEEP.
A true story, one that was NOT a parable, was the one where Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead. Jesus spoke of Lazarus not as being in heaven receiving a reward or him being in hell receiving a punishment, but rather as being asleep.
1 Corinthians 15:11 Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed. 12 Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen. 14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. 15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up–if in fact the dead do not rise. 16 For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. 17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! 18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable. 20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
Can you understand what the word PERISH means Thinker?
When Jesus died on the cross and was laid in the tomb he was a dead corspe, there existed NO conscious awareness, for his brain ceased from having any functioning.
The purpose for the punishment of death was to DESTROY the sinner and put an END to the SIN. God does not want sin to exist. Death removes that sin. How delusional is the doctrine of an immortal soul, pure Plato doctrine. Our heavenly Father does not want to look upon sin, He wants to DESTROY IT, that is why there exists death, so that the SIN CEASES to exist in each man that dies.
Unlike the rest of mankind who all died as sinners, Jesus was NOT a sinful man so he could not be held to the punishment of death, there was no sin in him. Why was there no sin in him? Because the Spirit of the Father was in him, and it is that Spirit that CAUSES MAN to be a Son of God, for it causes man to fully walk in God's ways.
All sins have been forgiven because in Christ exists the PROOF of God's working Spirit in man. In Christ, meaning in our OWN ANOINTING of the Father's Spirit, we will also be made to walk fully in the ways of God, and take on immortality as our brother Jesus has.
January 27, 2010 at 10:02 pm#173907NickHassanParticipantHi Jodi,
Jesus spoke with some of the living ones on the mountain.
Abraham rejoiced to see the day of Jesus.The living Spirit did not leave or forsake them
January 27, 2010 at 10:08 pm#173908GeneBalthropParticipantJodi……….Amen Sister, the CHRISTOS in Jesus is the same CHRISTOS in US and it will also cause us to be SON of GOD and to Walk in the ways of GOD exactly as Jesus Does. “UNTIL WE ALL COME UNTO THE (FULL) MEASURE OF Jesus BY THE SAME CHRISTOS. You have it right Sis.
peace and love to you and yours……………gene
January 27, 2010 at 10:17 pm#173912KangarooJackParticipantJodi lee said:
Quote Scripture says that no one has ascended to heaven, not even David. As well, the dead as scripture clearly states CANNOT praise God, they have NO MEMORY, they are spoken of as being ASLEEP. Jodi Lee,
First, how “pathetic” that you come in the middle of a discourse and attribute words to me that I never said. I NEVER said that any man went to heaven. I said that they went to hades (or sheol). Have you been following the trinity 2 thread?
Second, I repeatedly said that most men went to hades to “sleep.” This cannot mean “cease to exist.” One who ceases to exist does not “sleep.” Only those who exist can sleep.
Third, I said that there were some instances where men went down to hades (or sheol) alive. Jesus went down to hades alive.
Fourth, Jesus said that He would raise Himself up from among the dead. This was not possible had He ceased to exist or if He went down to hades to sleep.
For He taught His disciples and said to them, “The Son of Man is being betrayed into the hands of men, and they will kill Him. And after He is killed, He will rise the third day.”
The verb “to rise” is written in the middle voice. This indicates that the subject is acting upon Himself. Literally it would read like this,
“After He is killed, He will raise Himself up the third day.”
Jesus repeated this in chapter ten.
Fifth, If Jesus “ceased to exist,” then it was an imposter who appeared in His body. It's that simple!
You should not comment on what I have said until you know what I have said.
thinker
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