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TT,
Thank you for discovering me errors. I am wonderfully relieved.
Your God of half truths has empowered me more than the Holy Spirit.
By the way – Does your God of half truths, God of deceit, have a name? Satan, perhaps?
Quote (JustAskin @ Feb. 04 2010,00:22) TT, Thank you for discovering me errors. I am wonderfully relieved.
Your God of half truths has empowered me more than the Holy Spirit.
By the way – Does your God of half truths, God of deceit, have a name? Satan, perhaps?
Whatever!thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 03 2010,06:34) Hi,
After his death Jesus was only alive in the Spirit of God.
That Spirit of life raised him.
NickHow does that make any sense?
When you die you're dead, period.Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Not only that, but there is no difference in death even to animals.
Ecc 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
Doesn't the next verse make you wonder just a little?
Ecc 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
Does the Bible say, anywhere, that animals have a spirit too? so, what spirit do you think it is that both of us, man and animals, have besides a spirit/mind?
Nick, when you're dead, you're dead; the body decays, not so the spirit/mind that Paul talks about in 1 Cor. 2:11, God keeps it in tact, but is not conscious of anything by itself.
It stays the same, just the way it was when you died; at the resurrection God will unite your spirit/mind with the new body and you will be just as you were before.
No difference with Jesus, when he died he was dead, period. Had God not raised him from the dead, he would still be dead.Georg
Elizabeth,
You are not Dead – period!
Your SOUL is dead – but your spirit goes to god and is not perished. They await the resurrection and the judgement. Those whom Christ judges positive are re-instated with new souls and the rest to 'eternal' death – these, now, will cease to exist.
Earthly man, flesh blood and bones, cannot interact with the spirit of those whose souls have become deceased (Seance, wejee boards, palmistry, etc etc are not contacting the spirits of the dead but wiley fallen angels under Satans control) and that is why we say – for simplicity – they are Dead, deceased, gone, caput!! But you know better now and that is the point joy of refinement in knowledge through the Spirit of God and the testament of Christ.
JA………I think Georg is right on this one, Scripture does show when a man dies his thought parish. That is it caput!! as you say. Here is the rub (I) think, A Soul can not exist without a body (AND) Spirit in it. Rather animal or man. Now lets remember GOD gave us our Spirits in the first place and that can not die, However Spirit (is Thought or intellect) And always existed and came from ONE SOURCE, it is life it is GOD. Here is an (example) , Lets say all water was in one place and GOD made Vessels to contain some of it and He poured out some of it into these vessels and the vessels became enlightened by that water in them because they had a portion of it in them and when the vessels die and go to the ground they are destroyed and cease to exist , but the water (Spirit or water) that was poured into them goes back to the lake from which it came and becomes part of the whole again. That is it for ever as you say Caput!!, unless the LORD YHWH takes that Spirit or Water and creates another Vessel and pours it back into it, then it becomes a NEW CREATION and Again another SOUL Exists. Containing Spirit (water) and a BODY again. If GOD the FATHER leaves us in the grave we cease to exist any longer. The point is driven Home we (ARE) completely in HIS The FATHERS Hands Alone. Jesus understood that saying I Commend me SPIRIT into thy Hands, and gave it up to GOD for SAFE KEEPING> Jesus was totally and truly DEAD as DEAD as DEAD Can BE. But thanks be to GOD the FATHER , He did not leave Jesus dead nor did he even allow His body to see corruption like our does, But Spirit entered back into it and He was raised to everlasting life. This is our HOPE also in all who BELIEVE. IMO
Askin
How do you reconcile these scriptures with what you said?
1Cr 15:13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
1Cr 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
1Cr 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
1Cr 15:20 ¶ But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
1Cr 15:21 For since by man (Adam) came death, by man (Jesus) came also the resurrection of the dead.
1Cr 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
What does “all” mean to you, and when would you say this resurrection would take place since “all” will not be resurrected at the same time?
1Cr 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
And when will Christ do this?
1Cr 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
Georg
Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 26 2010,10:50) TO ALL: Jesus said that He would raise Himself from the dead.
19 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
20 Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”
21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body. 22 Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said.In verse 19 Jesus CLEARLY said that He would raise up the temple of His body. Innovative attempts have been made here by several of you to explain the clear meaning of this away. A more valid attemppt was made recently by JustAskin inwhich he noted that verse 22 says that many translations say that Jesus was raised from the dead. The verb ἠγέρθη “was raised” is indeed written in the passive form. But as an intransitive verb it may be also translated in the active form depending upon context.
Quote In the case of this particular verb it is perhaps worth noting that New Testament texts describing the resurrection of Jesus often use this verb in the aorist form ἠγέρθη which may be understood to mean either “he arose” or “he was raised.” Whether or not the verb should be understood as intransitive (“he arose”) or as passive (“he was raised”) depends wholly upon contextual factors and in some instances may be impossible to determine with any certainty.
http://artsci.wustl.edu/~cwconrad/docs/UndAncGrkVc.pdfPlease note that the source says that the verb may be translated in the active “He arose'' depending upon context. The context CLEARLY indicates that Jesus would raise up the temple of His body. He said, “In three days I willl raise it up.” The new King James Version translates the verb in verse 22 in the active voice so that it agrees with His statement in verse 19:
Therefore, when He had risen from the dead….
THE MIDDLE FORM OF THE VERB
In Mark 9:31 Jesus used the middle form of the verb. The middle voice means that the subject is acting upon himself or themselves. Jesus said,
For He taught His disciples and said to them, “The Son of Man is being betrayed into the hands of men, and they will kill Him. And after He is killed, He will rise the third day.”
Note that the verb is translated in the active voice. But the literal reading would be,
After He is killed He will raise Himself up the third day.
The fact that every single translation renders the middle verb in the active voice is conclusive. Even the NWT which is anti-trinitarian translates the verb in the active voice:
but despite being killed, he will rise three days later
Boom! Even an anti-trinitarian translation renders the middle verb of Mark 9:31 in the active voice!
Anti-trinitarians argue also that the scriptures expressly declare that it is God who raised Jesus from the dead and they are correct. However, they miss that part in the scripture which says that God raised Jesus from the dead BECAUSE it was not possible for death to hold Him:
…whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, BECAUSE it was not possible that He should be held by it. Acts 2:24
There it is! God raised Jesus from the dead BECAUSE it was NOT POSSIBLE for Him to be held by it. It was Jesus HIMSELF who abolished death:
10 but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, 2 Timothy 1:9
It is our Savior Jesus Christ Himself who abolished death! It is no wonder that when Thomas saw Him he said, “My Lord and my God!”
thinker
Hi:I suppose that Jesus could raise his body up after the Spirit of Life from God entered his body.
This is what happened with the two witnesses. They had been overcome by the beast and had been killed. They were dead, just as Jesus was dead.
Quote Rev 11:11 And after the three days and a half, a spirit of life from God did enter into them, and they stood upon their feet, and great fear fell upon those beholding them, Love in Christ,
MartyMarty
The two witnesses are not two individuals, they are the Old and the New Testament.
Jhn 5:39 Search the scriptures (OT); for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify (witness) of me.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel (NT) of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a “witness” unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
The time of their witnessing is the same as Antichrist, 1260 years, and longer because,
Rev 11:7 ¶ And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
The beast/government that appeared out of nowhere, bottomless pit, was the seventh head Rev. 17:8, the “League of Nation”, out of it came head number 8, Rev. 17:11, the “United Nation”.
So, you see, their witnessing is still going on today; but the beast/one world government, is trying to kill them.Georg
Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 05 2010,12:32) Marty The two witnesses are not two individuals, they are the Old and the New Testament.
Jhn 5:39 Search the scriptures (OT); for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify (witness) of me.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel (NT) of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a “witness” unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
The time of their witnessing is the same as Antichrist, 1260 years, and longer because,
Rev 11:7 ¶ And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
The beast/government that appeared out of nowhere, bottomless pit, was the seventh head Rev. 17:8, the “League of Nation”, out of it came head number 8, Rev. 17:11, the “United Nation”.
So, you see, their witnessing is still going on today; but the beast/one world government, is trying to kill them.Georg
Hi Georg,Interesting; I never heard the “Two” witnesses of Rev.11 were as representative of the “Old” AND the “New” “Testament”=117.
I will consider that assertion of yours and, “if” you are interested, I will tell you my analysis on this view; OK?If you can make that leap, why would the thought of Zech.5:1-4 representing a “cross” trouble you?
I would be interested hearing “your analysis” of my assertion of Zech.5:1-4.“Bible Truth”=117 is my concern; “YHVH is GOD”=117!
I hope you harbor no grudge against me.Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD)YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd
I have a message for you under “Other Writings”
Zechariah's scroll does not trouble me at all, I just don't see the connection of a cross in that, there is no further analysis.
Maybe you should make “The two Witnesses” your first choice.Georg
Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 05 2010,12:32) Marty The two witnesses are not two individuals, they are the Old and the New Testament.
Jhn 5:39 Search the scriptures (OT); for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify (witness) of me.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel (NT) of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a “witness” unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
The time of their witnessing is the same as Antichrist, 1260 years, and longer because,
Rev 11:7 ¶ And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
The beast/government that appeared out of nowhere, bottomless pit, was the seventh head Rev. 17:8, the “League of Nation”, out of it came head number 8, Rev. 17:11, the “United Nation”.
So, you see, their witnessing is still going on today; but the beast/one world government, is trying to kill them.Georg
Hi Georg:I believe that they are two individuals because the following scripture says ““THESE TWO PROPHETS”
Here I will post it for you.
Quote Rev 11:10 And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth. Love in Christ,
MartyHi Georg:
And also, the following scripture says that the beast that comes out of the bottomless pit will overcome them and kill them. This is therefore, and end time event when the Anti-Christ will kill these two prophets.
Quote Rev 11:7 When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. Love in Christ,
MartyMarty
What is a prophet, and what does he do?
Is not what the prophets have preached, in the two Testaments?
Dis not Jesus say the gospel is to be preached into all the world for a “witness”?
How is it being witnessed, is it not through preaching both, the old and the new Testament by all kinds of people?
And then it says they will be killed by the beast out of the bottomless pit; I told you who that is.
I have a study on the “two Witnesses”, tell me were to post it and I will.Georg
Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 05 2010,19:27) Marty What is a prophet, and what does he do?
Is not what the prophets have preached, in the two Testaments?
Dis not Jesus say the gospel is to be preached into all the world for a “witness”?
How is it being witnessed, is it not through preaching both, the old and the new Testament by all kinds of people?
And then it says they will be killed by the beast out of the bottomless pit; I told you who that is.
I have a study on the “two Witnesses”, tell me were to post it and I will.Georg
Hi Georg:I am not going to argue with you. I will just have to disagree with you based on the scriptures that I have quoted for you, and as far as what these prophets did, the scriptures also tell us:
We know that prophets fortell events that are to come, but these also were anointed by God, giving them the following powers:
Quote Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire. Love in Christ,
MartyMarty
Yes, but you're overlooking something.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will
“In the days of their prophecy”; Who was it that shut up the heaven that it rain not? was it not Elijah? Who was it that turned water into blood? was it not Moses? and how often did he smite the earth with plagues?
It also says this about the two witnesses.Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Do you really think God is turning a human into a fire breathing dragon?
Prophets not only, and not always foretell future events, they at times just speak for God.Georg
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