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So brothers Terraricca and Kerwin,
I find both of you quote so much on this being led by spirit or interpreting scriptures to God's intent. Do you think you are alone fulfilling these requirements. You think me, WJ, Thethinker, Gene and others are not led by Spirit?
Could you convince even one person in this forum by your so called logcs?Please don't blame others in terms of personal relationship with God.
Peace to you
AdamQuote (gollamudi @ Jan. 30 2010,11:51) So brothers Terraricca and Kerwin,
I find both of you quote so much on this being led by spirit or interpreting scriptures to God's intent. Do you think you are alone fulfilling these requirements. You think me, WJ, Thethinker, Gene and others are not led by Spirit?
Could you convince even one person in this forum by your so called logcs?Please don't blame others in terms of personal relationship with God.
Peace to you
Adam
Jesus once taught if they do not believe Mosses then why would they believe one that comes back from the dead. I am as nothing compared to one that comes from the dead.Why should I convince anyone. If God does not convince them of the truth then it is because they love darkness. I am but a sign post. Listen or not as you choose as the consequences are on you.
I see no reason to judge as God is the judge. My job is merely to seek and speak the truth. If I do this then God bears witness. If I do not then God will know that as well.
The bottom line is I believe God exists and since he exists he is able and willing to speak for himself.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 30 2010,00:41) Quote (gollamudi @ Jan. 30 2010,11:29) The problem with our N.T- it is so much ambigous about Jesus' resurrection. John says Jesus was having the right to raise himself from the dead whereas other writers say God was the one who raised him from the dead. So which one is correct?
The individual that is right is the one who interprets scriptures according to God's intent.Some scripture are meant to be ambiguous in order to hit the truth from those who do not seek God. Those that seek God will be guided by God and so find the truth.
KerwinFrom what view point is it ambiguous?
From Jesus and Johns own words or from Pauls words?
The Trinitarian view has no contradiction here!
The Father, Son and Holy Spirit took part in the resurrection of his own body!
Blessings WJ
Quote (gollamudi @ Jan. 30 2010,12:56) Your above post is more attacking others than the earlier ones.
I merely repeat what scripture already states.It is not gentle with those who choose to reject the word of God.
Jesus was know for calling them a brood of vipers and children of the devil.
I am fairly sure they took offense.
The reason for this is if you hunger and thirst for righteousness then you will believe and if you do not you will not even if you think you are a follower of Jesus.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 30 2010,13:06) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 30 2010,00:41) Quote (gollamudi @ Jan. 30 2010,11:29) The problem with our N.T- it is so much ambigous about Jesus' resurrection. John says Jesus was having the right to raise himself from the dead whereas other writers say God was the one who raised him from the dead. So which one is correct?
The individual that is right is the one who interprets scriptures according to God's intent.Some scripture are meant to be ambiguous in order to hit the truth from those who do not seek God. Those that seek God will be guided by God and so find the truth.
KerwinFrom what view point is it ambiguous?
From Jesus and Johns own words or from Pauls words?
The Trinitarian view has no contradiction here!
The Father, Son and Holy Spirit took part in the resurrection of his own body!
Blessings WJ
To be honest I judge it is best to let people figure that out for themselves beyond what I have already stated.WorshippingJesus said:
Quote Also, Jesus said “destroy this temple” and we know the “Body” the Church was not destroyed and raised up!
Keith,
You are right bro! It's CLEAR! They have stopped their ears to the truth.Jack
Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 30 2010,22:20) WorshippingJesus said: Quote Also, Jesus said “destroy this temple” and we know the “Body” the Church was not destroyed and raised up!
Keith,
You are right bro! It's CLEAR! They have stopped their ears to the truth.Jack
TO ALL:Kerwin's view is nonsense because the disciples had not received the doctrine of the church when Christ had risen from the dead. The doctrine of the new covenant church was revealed through Paul.
Kerwin is super imposing Pauline doctrine into the disciple's faith after Jesus had risen from the dead. They had no such doctrine of the church as the body of Christ at that time.
And Keith has conclusively pointed out that the Church was not destroyed and rebuilt in three days.
Furthermore, Kerwin has utterly dismissed that Jesus used the middle voice of the verb “to rise” in Mark 9:31 and 10:34. The middle voice literally reads, “He shall raise HIMSELF on the third day.”
Kerwin's explanation of Jesus' statement in John 2 is based in presupposition and not in exegesis.
thinker
TT
you do not present any prove in the scriptures to what you say,so you think we should take your word for
??men have twisted hearts you know this is why we rely on scriptures,and you do not need a big brain to understand the scriptures but you need to love God righteousness and truth and humble yourself
and accept the way he tells you.your TRINITY WILL NOT SAVE YOU.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 30 2010,18:06) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 30 2010,00:41) Quote (gollamudi @ Jan. 30 2010,11:29) The problem with our N.T- it is so much ambigous about Jesus' resurrection. John says Jesus was having the right to raise himself from the dead whereas other writers say God was the one who raised him from the dead. So which one is correct?
The individual that is right is the one who interprets scriptures according to God's intent.Some scripture are meant to be ambiguous in order to hit the truth from those who do not seek God. Those that seek God will be guided by God and so find the truth.
KerwinFrom what view point is it ambiguous?
From Jesus and Johns own words or from Pauls words?
The Trinitarian view has no contradiction here!
The Father, Son and Holy Spirit took part in the resurrection of his own body!
Blessings WJ
WJ……….Please explain the SONS Part seeing he was “DEAD”. Do dead men take part in their resurrection. Exactly how does that work, or is this something else we need to take on TRINITARIAN (BLIND) “FAITH”?WJ and thinker…………..We are told if we believe that Jesus is the SON of GOD and that GOD raised Him from the dead , We can have eternal life. But you trinitarians do not believe that Jesus is a Son of GOD (but you believe He is (GOD) and you do not believe GOD Raised Him from the dead , you believe He RAISED (HIMSELF) from the dead, in fact YOU BELIEVE He NEVER (REALLY) DIED, Because how could He raise himself up from the dead if he truly did die. Your religion is nothing but a religion of confusions and contradictions, one after another. Dump the TRINITARIAN GARBAGE While you can. IMO
To all,
Marty brought up a point that I find interesting. The point being that in Luke 23:46 Jesus gives up his spirit to God before dying. I believe that the scripture is stating he gave up the spirit of life that animated his body. I am not sure whether or not this is also the spirit of holiness that is received by believers when they are immersed. I am fairly confident it is not his soul since Adam became a living soul only after God breathed the breath of life in him.
I have my doubts that the spirit of life is also the spirit of righteousness since we do not literally die when we are immersed. On the other hand living by the spirit of righteousness leads to eternal life.
kerwin
the spirit of righteousness is your state of mind to do what is good in the sight of God,and by doing the will of God your gift is everlasting live through Christ.
kerwin,
i understand this is totally of topic, when you wrote the spirit of holiness, righteousness, life. thought came about, in regards to the title Lord of Hosts
any insight you may have would be greatly appreciated. i do so enjoy your post.
much love to you and yours
Quote (princess of the king @ Jan. 31 2010,06:39) kerwin, i understand this is totally of topic, when you wrote the spirit of holiness, righteousness, life. thought came about, in regards to the title LORD of Hosts
any insight you may have would be greatly appreciated. i do so enjoy your post.
much love to you and yours
Hi Princess of the King,The “Title” “LORD of Hosts” is used repeatedly in the AKJV Bible and refers to…
“HolySpirit”(God The Father) indwelling in us believers.Eph.4:6 One God and Father of all,
who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Heb:11:40: God having provided some better thing for us,
that they without us(His Hosts=117) should not be made perfect.PSALM 117 “is” [The Bible's Center], AND the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]!
Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD)YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (princess of the king @ Jan. 31 2010,01:39) kerwin, i understand this is totally of topic, when you wrote the spirit of holiness, righteousness, life. thought came about, in regards to the title Lord of Hosts
any insight you may have would be greatly appreciated. i do so enjoy your post.
much love to you and yours
I am not quite sure what your point is but I will try to guess correctly.God breathed life into Adam. That is the spirit or breath of life. I believe that spirit returns to God upon the death of an individual.
The spirit of righteousness is essential principle driving a person's thoughts and actions.
Some believe the spirit of righteousness is sentient in its own right. I am uncertain.
God is a life giving spirit but I find it hard to believe he is the last Adam that Paul speaks of in 1 Corinthians.
Quote (Gene @ Jan. 30 2010,09:44) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 30 2010,18:06) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 30 2010,00:41) Quote (gollamudi @ Jan. 30 2010,11:29) The problem with our N.T- it is so much ambigous about Jesus' resurrection. John says Jesus was having the right to raise himself from the dead whereas other writers say God was the one who raised him from the dead. So which one is correct?
The individual that is right is the one who interprets scriptures according to God's intent.Some scripture are meant to be ambiguous in order to hit the truth from those who do not seek God. Those that seek God will be guided by God and so find the truth.
KerwinFrom what view point is it ambiguous?
From Jesus and Johns own words or from Pauls words?
The Trinitarian view has no contradiction here!
The Father, Son and Holy Spirit took part in the resurrection of his own body!
Blessings WJ
WJ……….Please explain the SONS Part seeing he was “DEAD”. Do dead men take part in their resurrection. Exactly how does that work, or is this something else we need to take on TRINITARIAN (BLIND) “FAITH”?
GeneHave you even been reading this thread?
You should go back and read! The answer has been given more than once!
Besides you are arguing with Jesus and Johns own words!
Blessings WJ
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 30 2010,13:37) To all, Marty brought up a point that I find interesting. The point being that in Luke 23:46 Jesus gives up his spirit to God before dying. I believe that the scripture is stating he gave up the spirit of life that animated his body. I am not sure whether or not this is also the spirit of holiness that is received by believers when they are immersed. I am fairly confident it is not his soul since Adam became a living soul only after God breathed the breath of life in him.
I have my doubts that the spirit of life is also the spirit of righteousness since we do not literally die when we are immersed. On the other hand living by the spirit of righteousness leads to eternal life.
KerwinThose that have recieved the Spirit of Life are already living “Eternal life”!
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? John 11:26
We are New Creations in Christ (Gal 2:20) and our Spirit/soul will never die for we have already partaken of the Tree of life!
Blessings WJ
Hi WJ,
So God fills his children with His Spirit.
Thus we can become united to Him as His Son Jesus is.Kerwin,
Jesus indeed gave up his spirit upon death.He did not 'pretend' to die like Trinitarians say.
He did not go and preach to the dead of Noah's time 'in his own spirit', the sciptures say that it was by means of the Holy Spirit , which also raised him from the dead.
Now, whether he preached to the dead 'after' he was raised is a point if debate. My opinion is , yes, after, not while he was dead.
Belief in Jesus going around talking to the dead, and the dead hearing him in his own spirit, is to start believing in the occult, witches and oracles.
It was by means of the Holy Spirit that Jesus did what he did, not his own.
And, Jesus did not say that he would raise himself from the dead, he said he woudd raise his Temple.
And this is the reason why throughout all the rest of sripture And to the belief of the apostles And by the word of God Amighty Himself, it it written that 'God raised him from the dead'.Trinitarians are merely playing with words because it is impossible for them to talk the truth of Scriptures without denying their misgiven creed, a creed brought about by the eneny of God and the abomination spoken of by Scripture, the Romans!
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