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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 31 2009,21:05) Hi WJ,
trinity is a man made doctrine.
NHOpen your eyes man, Jesus taught the “Trinity”, and in fact if you believe the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is spoken of in the scriptures, then you believe in the “Trinity”.
”GO YE THEREFORE, AND TEACH ALL NATIONS, BAPTIZING THEM “IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, AND OF THE SON, AND OF THE HOLY GHOST: TEACHING THEM TO OBSERVE **ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER I HAVE COMMANDED YOU**: AND, LO, I AM WITH YOU ALWAY, EVEN UNTO THE END OF THE WORLD. AMEN”. Matt 28:19, 20
Unless you do not believe Jesus own words!
WJ
Hi WJ,
Eusebius tells us that verse was not in the original manuscripts but even if it was how does it clearly teach you that God is a trinity and why is it opposed to the ways of baptism into Jesus shown in the book of Acts?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 01 2009,01:00) Hi WJ,
Eusebius tells us that verse was not in the original manuscripts but even if it was how does it clearly teach you that God is a trinity and why is it opposed to the ways of baptism into Jesus shown in the book of Acts?
NHThe Eusebius rumor is simply wishful thinking for the Arians, for over 5000 manuscripts has Matt 28:19 in them.
And it is not at all opposed to the Baptism taught by the Apostles because Jesus said….
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, “ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH”. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in “the name (singular) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost“: Matt 28:18, 19
The Apostles understood Jesus words that “All Authority and Power was given to him”, and that there was none other “Name under heaven” whereby men must be saved. (Acts 4:12)They understood that it was in the name of Jesus that all things pertaining to the Kingdom of God was done!
Therefore the “single” name given among men representing the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit, was “Jesus” who has been given the name above all names, and the fullness of Deity resides in him in bodily form.
The Father has glorified his name and no man can call “Jesus” his Lord but by the Holy Spirit! (1 Cor 12:3)
So that when they Baptized in the name of the “Lord Jesus Christ”, Lord=Father, Jesus=Son, Christ=Holy Spirit, they were baptizing in the name of “The Father, Son and Holy Spirit”.
There you have it, the Biblical Trinity, whether you may like it or not!
Unless you do not believe his words.
WJ
Hi WJ,
So all power was GIVEN TO HIM.
The one who blesses is greater[Heb7]There is no other name UNDER HEAVEN.
Indeed God resides in Him.So where is this trinity??
WJ……….If all power was given unto him, then He did (NOT) at one time Have it right?
Jesus is subject to the FATHER now and always will be. IMO
peace and love……………………..gene
Quote (Gene @ Sep. 01 2009,12:33) WJ……….If all power was given unto him, then He did (NOT) at one time Have it right? Jesus is subject to the FATHER now and always will be. IMO
peace and love……………………..gene
Hi GeneWrong! That is what you believe!
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1
Who, being in very nature* God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, (held on to) but made himself nothing, taking the very nature* of a servant, being made in human likeness. Phil 2:6, 7
Jesus was given back the Glory that he had with the Father! John 17:5
All you have to do is just believe the scriptures as they are written and let the Holy Spirit enlighten your mind without any special pleading or inference and you will know the truth!
WJ
Quote (Gene @ Sep. 02 2009,04:33) WJ……….If all power was given unto him, then He did (NOT) at one time Have it right? Jesus is subject to the FATHER now and always will be. IMO
peace and love……………………..gene
Gene,
Explain 1 corinthians 15 which says that the Son WILL BE subjected to the Father. This means that He is NOT subjected to the Father now. The scriptures are replete that Christ is at the Father's right hand; a position of EQUALITY and a position which you don't like that He enjoys. The scriptures are clear. You argue because you don't like Jesus being above you!You want a Jesus on your level.
thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 01 2009,17:00) Hi WJ,
Eusebius tells us that verse was not in the original manuscripts but even if it was how does it clearly teach you that God is a trinity and why is it opposed to the ways of baptism into Jesus shown in the book of Acts?
HA! You just trapped yourself. You just proved that you don't have any authoritative source for knowing with absolute certainty WHAT belongs in the Canon of Sacred Scripture.How can you believe any of it if you doubt it's authenticity?
Quote All you have to do is just believe the scriptures as they are written and let the Holy Spirit enlighten your mind without any special pleading or inference and you will know the truth! WJ
If you believe that, this thread could go on indefinitely. These men's private interpretation of the Scriptures is a recipe for disagreement and disunity.
You have to appeal to an infallible interpreter.
Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 02 2009,06:27) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 01 2009,17:00) Hi WJ,
Eusebius tells us that verse was not in the original manuscripts but even if it was how does it clearly teach you that God is a trinity and why is it opposed to the ways of baptism into Jesus shown in the book of Acts?
HA! You just trapped yourself. You just proved that you don't have any authoritative source for knowing with absolute certainty WHAT belongs in the Canon of Sacred Scripture.How can you believe any of it if you doubt it's authenticity?
Hi CA,
You have not explained why the apostles baptised in the name of Jesus so your triumphalism is premature and petty.We are shown the few and additions errors by the Spirit Who wrote it through men as we are trained to be cunning as serpents.
It was never the way of God to have only the need for the map but we also need the compass.
Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 01 2009,14:29) Quote All you have to do is just believe the scriptures as they are written and let the Holy Spirit enlighten your mind without any special pleading or inference and you will know the truth! WJ
If you believe that, this thread could go on indefinitely. These men's private interpretation of the Scriptures is a recipe for disagreement and disunity.
You have to appeal to an infallible interpreter.
Hi CAThe infallable interpreter is the “Spirit of Truth” that will lead us into all truth!
As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit–just as it has taught you, remain in him. 1 John 2:27
WJ
WJ
Hi WJ,
The Spirit will not speak of His own initiative but remind us of the words of Jesus.
So which words of Jesus taught men that he was part of a trinity?
Or are you speaking of the spirit of tradition?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 02 2009,06:51) Hi WJ,
The Spirit will not speak of His own initiative but remind us of the words of Jesus.
So which words of Jesus taught men that he was part of a trinity?
Or are you speaking of the spirit of tradition?
Half truth Nick.The Spirit brought things to their remembrance AND taught them things Jesus had not told them (John 16:12-14). Jesus said that the Spirit would “glorify Me” (not the Father). Paul said that Jesus is the “Great God and Savior” (Titus 2:13).
Major Premise:The Spirit will glorify Jesus
Minor premise: Trinitarians glorify Jesus
Conclusion: Therefore, Trinitarians speak according to the Spiritthinker
Hi TT,
Forget your logical premises and rather follow Jesus who worships his God.
Trinity is of the spirit of tradition, which is the same spirit that led the Jews to kill Jesus and the prophetsQuote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 02 2009,09:42) Hi TT,
Forget your logical premises and rather follow Jesus who worships his God.
Trinity is of the spirit of tradition, which is the same spirit that led the Jews to kill Jesus and the prophets
Nick,
You evaded my point that the Spirit glorifies Jesus. You dodged it because the idea that the One who died for you be glorified is too much for you to bear. It means that you would have to openly recant of your falsehoods. This would take the humility you lack.thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 02 2009,10:06) Hi TT,
God would have all his servants honored but instead they are murdered by traditionalists.
So you deserve the same honor as Jesus?
Your errors have become full blown. Many trinitarians have been put to death too.thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 01 2009,14:41) Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 02 2009,06:27) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 01 2009,17:00) Hi WJ,
Eusebius tells us that verse was not in the original manuscripts but even if it was how does it clearly teach you that God is a trinity and why is it opposed to the ways of baptism into Jesus shown in the book of Acts?
HA! You just trapped yourself. You just proved that you don't have any authoritative source for knowing with absolute certainty WHAT belongs in the Canon of Sacred Scripture.How can you believe any of it if you doubt it's authenticity?
Hi CA,
You have not explained why the apostles baptised in the name of Jesus so your triumphalism is premature and petty.We are shown the few and additions errors by the Spirit Who wrote it through men as we are trained to be cunning as serpents.
It was never the way of God to have only the need for the map but we also need the compass.
Hi NHQuote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 01 2009,14:41) We are shown the few and additions errors by the Spirit Who wrote it through men as we are trained to be cunning as serpents. So what you are saying is that you have the authority to decide what scriptures are inspired in the Bible?
So you would delete the words of Jesus?
I explained why they baptised in the Name of Jesus but you choose to let your doctrine blind you from the truth.
If you do not believe that Jesus spoke those words then take your pick, the disciples were wrong, or the scriptures are corrupt, either way you have placed yourself above the scriptures.
WJ
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