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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 29 2009,14:47) Hi KW,
The context of Gal 5 is the relationships between people.
You cannot love without a relationship with God.Hi KW,
THe book was written to those who had entered the new covenant with their God.
To obey his son and walk in the Spirit is to obey the first commandment.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 29 2009,01:19) Hi KW,
THe book was written to those who had entered the new covenant with their God.
To obey his son and walk in the Spirit is to obey the first commandment.
I thought they were letters, which were eventually put together to make a book.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 29 2009,15:19) Hi KW,
THe book was written to those who had entered the new covenant with their God.
To obey his son and walk in the Spirit is to obey the first commandment.
You are making it more difficult than it is.The teaching is simple in that in order to love God with all your heart, soul, strength, and understanding you must love your neighbor as yourself.
In order to love your neighbor as yourself you must love God with all your heart, soul, strength, and understanding.
In short the two commands are one command phrased in two different ways.
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 29 2009,02:27) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 29 2009,15:19) Hi KW,
THe book was written to those who had entered the new covenant with their God.
To obey his son and walk in the Spirit is to obey the first commandment.
You are making it more difficult than it is.The teaching is simple in that in order to love God with all your heart, soul, strength, and understanding you must love your neighbor as yourself.
In order to love your neighbor as yourself you must love God with all your heart, soul, strength, and understanding.
In short the two commands are one command phrased in two different ways.
Makes sense to me.
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 29 2009,02:32) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 29 2009,02:27) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 29 2009,15:19) Hi KW,
THe book was written to those who had entered the new covenant with their God.
To obey his son and walk in the Spirit is to obey the first commandment.
You are making it more difficult than it is.The teaching is simple in that in order to love God with all your heart, soul, strength, and understanding you must love your neighbor as yourself.
In order to love your neighbor as yourself you must love God with all your heart, soul, strength, and understanding.
In short the two commands are one command phrased in two different ways.
Makes sense to me.
And thou shalt love ['ahab] the LORD thy God with all thine heart [lebab], and with all thy soul [nephesh], and with all thy might [ma`od]. Deuteronomy 6:5'Ahab: Human love for or to God, human love for another, includes family, act of being a friend.
Lebab: Inner man, mind, will, heart, understanding, knowledge, thinking, reflection, memory, inclination, resolution, determination (of will), conscience, heart (of moral character), as seat of appetites, as seat of emotions and passions, as seat of courage.
Nephesh: Life, creature, person, that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, living being, living being (with life in the blood), the man himself, self, person or individual.
Ma`od: Might, force, abundance, exceedingly, much, muchness, greatly, very (idioms showing magnitude or degree).
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 29 2009,21:45) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 29 2009,02:32) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 29 2009,02:27) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 29 2009,15:19) Hi KW,
THe book was written to those who had entered the new covenant with their God.
To obey his son and walk in the Spirit is to obey the first commandment.
You are making it more difficult than it is.The teaching is simple in that in order to love God with all your heart, soul, strength, and understanding you must love your neighbor as yourself.
In order to love your neighbor as yourself you must love God with all your heart, soul, strength, and understanding.
In short the two commands are one command phrased in two different ways.
Makes sense to me.
And thou shalt love ['ahab] the LORD thy God with all thine heart [lebab], and with all thy soul [nephesh], and with all thy might [ma`od]. Deuteronomy 6:5'Ahab: Human love for or to God, human love for another, includes family, act of being a friend.
Lebab: Inner man, mind, will, heart, understanding, knowledge, thinking, reflection, memory, inclination, resolution, determination (of will), conscience, heart (of moral character), as seat of appetites, as seat of emotions and passions, as seat of courage.
Nephesh: Life, creature, person, that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, living being, living being (with life in the blood), the man himself, self, person or individual.
Ma`od: Might, force, abundance, exceedingly, much, muchness, greatly, very (idioms showing magnitude or degree).
You are quoting the Old Testament Law, which we are not under any more. For that matter we never were.
The Old Covenant was the Ten Commandments
Exodus 34:27
The the LORD said to Moses,”Write these Words for according to the tenor of these words I have mande a COVENANT with you ad Israel.”
verse 28
So He was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights, he neither ate bread or drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the COVENANT THE TEN COMMANDMENT.This is the Old Covenant.
We are under he New Covenant in
Luke 223:20….”This cup is the new COVENANT IN MY BLOOD
which is shed for you.And in Math. He gives us the great Commandment
Math. 22:37 Jesus said to him:” You shall love the LRD God with all of your heart and with all of your soul, and with all of you mind.”
verse 38 “This is the first and great commandment.
verse 39 ” And the second is like it;” You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
verse 40 “On these two Commandments hang ll the Law and the
Prophets.”I have ask and ask why is it that you and others want to go back, and look back. Are we not to go forward. Jesus also magnified that Law on the Sermon on the Mount. He also fulfilled the Old Testament Law. By dying on the cross for us.
What I find so amazing,that in spite of that Jesus never mentioned the Sabbath you and others want to still keep it.
I don't think that you and others don't realized that you have to keep the whole Law. All of it.
Galatians 5:4″You have have been estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law, you have fallen from grace.”Peace and Love Irene
Irene……>Jesus said the sabbath was (made) (FOR) MAN, and not man for the Sabbath. Jesus also said He (LIKE us) also is Lord of the Sabbath. Nowhere does scripture say any of the ten commandments are done away with , they are fulfilled through the operation of Love not by works of law (forced compliance), because that is the way (LAW) WORKS> Paul said do we (NULLIFY) the law then, “GOD FORBID” we establish it. Irene the only thing done away with is being forced to obey by the way law works, the ten commandments are not now or ever will be done away with they are fulfilled by the operation of the Spirit of GOD. God is not against his commandments, they do not change nor does He. IMO
love and peace to you and Georg……………………..gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 30 2009,13:52) Hi KW,
Jesus summarised the Law into two commands but you offer to improve on his words?
Hi Nick:Yes, he did summarize them, and he also showed us by His example how to fulfill them.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 30 2009,08:52) Hi KW,
Jesus summarised the Law into two commands but you offer to improve on his words?
Why do you think that Paul's way of phrasing the command and Jesus way of phrasing the command are either better or worse than one another. I believe they were both appropriate to the circumstances at the time they were uttered or wrote.Quote (georg @ Oct. 29 2009,05:46) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 29 2009,21:45) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 29 2009,02:32) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 29 2009,02:27) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 29 2009,15:19) Hi KW,
THe book was written to those who had entered the new covenant with their God.
To obey his son and walk in the Spirit is to obey the first commandment.
You are making it more difficult than it is.The teaching is simple in that in order to love God with all your heart, soul, strength, and understanding you must love your neighbor as yourself.
In order to love your neighbor as yourself you must love God with all your heart, soul, strength, and understanding.
In short the two commands are one command phrased in two different ways.
Makes sense to me.
And thou shalt love ['ahab] the LORD thy God with all thine heart [lebab], and with all thy soul [nephesh], and with all thy might [ma`od]. Deuteronomy 6:5'Ahab: Human love for or to God, human love for another, includes family, act of being a friend.
Lebab: Inner man, mind, will, heart, understanding, knowledge, thinking, reflection, memory, inclination, resolution, determination (of will), conscience, heart (of moral character), as seat of appetites, as seat of emotions and passions, as seat of courage.
Nephesh: Life, creature, person, that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, living being, living being (with life in the blood), the man himself, self, person or individual.
Ma`od: Might, force, abundance, exceedingly, much, muchness, greatly, very (idioms showing magnitude or degree).
You are quoting the Old Testament Law, which we are not under any more. For that matter we never were.
The Old Covenant was the Ten Commandments
Exodus 34:27
The the LORD said to Moses,”Write these Words for according to the tenor of these words I have mande a COVENANT with you ad Israel.”
verse 28
So He was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights, he neither ate bread or drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the COVENANT THE TEN COMMANDMENT.This is the Old Covenant.
We are under he New Covenant in
Luke 223:20….”This cup is the new COVENANT IN MY BLOOD
which is shed for you.And in Math. He gives us the great Commandment
Math. 22:37 Jesus said to him:” You shall love the LRD God with all of your heart and with all of your soul, and with all of you mind.”
verse 38 “This is the first and great commandment.
verse 39 ” And the second is like it;” You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
verse 40 “On these two Commandments hang ll the Law and the
Prophets.”I have ask and ask why is it that you and others want to go back, and look back. Are we not to go forward. Jesus also magnified that Law on the Sermon on the Mount. He also fulfilled the Old Testament Law. By dying on the cross for us.
What I find so amazing,that in spite of that Jesus never mentioned the Sabbath you and others want to still keep it.
I don't think that you and others don't realized that you have to keep the whole Law. All of it.
Galatians 5:4″You have have been estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law, you have fallen from grace.”Peace and Love Irene
Hahaha! your funny, you said were not under the old law anymore when I quoted:And thou shalt love ['ahab] the LORD thy God with all thine heart [lebab], and with all thy soul [nephesh], and with all thy might [ma`od]. Deuteronomy 6:5
You said we are under the new covenant and you quoted:
Math. 22:37 Jesus said to him:” You shall love the LRD God with all of your heart and with all of your soul, and with all of you mind.”
Hahaha, look its the same verse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 30 2009,16:48) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 30 2009,08:52) Hi KW,
Jesus summarised the Law into two commands but you offer to improve on his words?
Why do you think that Paul's way of phrasing the command and Jesus way of phrasing the command are either better or worse than one another. I believe they were both appropriate to the circumstances at the time they were uttered or wrote.
Hi KW,
Exactly.
Paul was speaking to those who had obeyed God.Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 30 2009,18:56) Quote (georg @ Oct. 29 2009,05:46) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 29 2009,21:45) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 29 2009,02:32) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 29 2009,02:27) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 29 2009,15:19) Hi KW,
THe book was written to those who had entered the new covenant with their God.
To obey his son and walk in the Spirit is to obey the first commandment.
You are making it more difficult than it is.The teaching is simple in that in order to love God with all your heart, soul, strength, and understanding you must love your neighbor as yourself.
In order to love your neighbor as yourself you must love God with all your heart, soul, strength, and understanding.
In short the two commands are one command phrased in two different ways.
Makes sense to me.
And thou shalt love ['ahab] the LORD thy God with all thine heart [lebab], and with all thy soul [nephesh], and with all thy might [ma`od]. Deuteronomy 6:5'Ahab: Human love for or to God, human love for another, includes family, act of being a friend.
Lebab: Inner man, mind, will, heart, understanding, knowledge, thinking, reflection, memory, inclination, resolution, determination (of will), conscience, heart (of moral character), as seat of appetites, as seat of emotions and passions, as seat of courage.
Nephesh: Life, creature, person, that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, living being, living being (with life in the blood), the man himself, self, person or individual.
Ma`od: Might, force, abundance, exceedingly, much, muchness, greatly, very (idioms showing magnitude or degree).
You are quoting the Old Testament Law, which we are not under any more. For that matter we never were.
The Old Covenant was the Ten Commandments
Exodus 34:27
The the LORD said to Moses,”Write these Words for according to the tenor of these words I have mande a COVENANT with you ad Israel.”
verse 28
So He was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights, he neither ate bread or drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the COVENANT THE TEN COMMANDMENT.This is the Old Covenant.
We are under he New Covenant in
Luke 223:20….”This cup is the new COVENANT IN MY BLOOD
which is shed for you.And in Math. He gives us the great Commandment
Math. 22:37 Jesus said to him:” You shall love the LRD God with all of your heart and with all of your soul, and with all of you mind.”
verse 38 “This is the first and great commandment.
verse 39 ” And the second is like it;” You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
verse 40 “On these two Commandments hang ll the Law and the
Prophets.”I have ask and ask why is it that you and others want to go back, and look back. Are we not to go forward. Jesus also magnified that Law on the Sermon on the Mount. He also fulfilled the Old Testament Law. By dying on the cross for us.
What I find so amazing,that in spite of that Jesus never mentioned the Sabbath you and others want to still keep it.
I don't think that you and others don't realized that you have to keep the whole Law. All of it.
Galatians 5:4″You have have been estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law, you have fallen from grace.”Peace and Love Irene
Hahaha! your funny, you said were not under the old law anymore when I quoted:And thou shalt love ['ahab] the LORD thy God with all thine heart [lebab], and with all thy soul [nephesh], and with all thy might [ma`od]. Deuteronomy 6:5
You said we are under the new covenant and you quoted:
Math. 22:37 Jesus said to him:” You shall love the LRD God with all of your heart and with all of your soul, and with all of you mind.”
Hahaha, look its the same verse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yes, we are. To bad you don't understand that. You see in the 10 Commandments in Exodus 34, it includes the Sabbath, that is what makes it the new covenant in Jesus Blood. Unless you want to kill a animal for the Sacrifice for your sins. I don't and it is not laughable. You go ahead and laugh all you want, I rather be under Jesus Blood and know that I am forgiven of my Sins, without having to make atonement for them and kill a Lamb. I rather eat it.
IreneQuote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 30 2009,14:20) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 30 2009,16:48) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 30 2009,08:52) Hi KW,
Jesus summarised the Law into two commands but you offer to improve on his words?
Why do you think that Paul's way of phrasing the command and Jesus way of phrasing the command are either better or worse than one another. I believe they were both appropriate to the circumstances at the time they were uttered or wrote.
Hi KW,
Exactly.
Paul was speaking to those who had obeyed God.
So was Jesus. Moses was also.Quote (georg @ Oct. 30 2009,00:40) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 30 2009,18:56) Quote (georg @ Oct. 29 2009,05:46) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 29 2009,21:45) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 29 2009,02:32) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 29 2009,02:27) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 29 2009,15:19) Hi KW,
THe book was written to those who had entered the new covenant with their God.
To obey his son and walk in the Spirit is to obey the first commandment.
You are making it more difficult than it is.The teaching is simple in that in order to love God with all your heart, soul, strength, and understanding you must love your neighbor as yourself.
In order to love your neighbor as yourself you must love God with all your heart, soul, strength, and understanding.
In short the two commands are one command phrased in two different ways.
Makes sense to me.
And thou shalt love ['ahab] the LORD thy God with all thine heart [lebab], and with all thy soul [nephesh], and with all thy might [ma`od]. Deuteronomy 6:5'Ahab: Human love for or to God, human love for another, includes family, act of being a friend.
Lebab: Inner man, mind, will, heart, understanding, knowledge, thinking, reflection, memory, inclination, resolution, determination (of will), conscience, heart (of moral character), as seat of appetites, as seat of emotions and passions, as seat of courage.
Nephesh: Life, creature, person, that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, living being, living being (with life in the blood), the man himself, self, person or individual.
Ma`od: Might, force, abundance, exceedingly, much, muchness, greatly, very (idioms showing magnitude or degree).
You are quoting the Old Testament Law, which we are not under any more. For that matter we never were.
The Old Covenant was the Ten Commandments
Exodus 34:27
The the LORD said to Moses,”Write these Words for according to the tenor of these words I have mande a COVENANT with you ad Israel.”
verse 28
So He was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights, he neither ate bread or drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the COVENANT THE TEN COMMANDMENT.This is the Old Covenant.
We are under he New Covenant in
Luke 223:20….”This cup is the new COVENANT IN MY BLOOD
which is shed for you.And in Math. He gives us the great Commandment
Math. 22:37 Jesus said to him:” You shall love the LRD God with all of your heart and with all of your soul, and with all of you mind.”
verse 38 “This is the first and great commandment.
verse 39 ” And the second is like it;” You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
verse 40 “On these two Commandments hang ll the Law and the
Prophets.”I have ask and ask why is it that you and others want to go back, and look back. Are we not to go forward. Jesus also magnified that Law on the Sermon on the Mount. He also fulfilled the Old Testament Law. By dying on the cross for us.
What I find so amazing,that in spite of that Jesus never mentioned the Sabbath you and others want to still keep it.
I don't think that you and others don't realized that you have to keep the whole Law. All of it.
Galatians 5:4″You have have been estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law, you have fallen from grace.”Peace and Love Irene
Hahaha! your funny, you said were not under the old law anymore when I quoted:And thou shalt love ['ahab] the LORD thy God with all thine heart [lebab], and with all thy soul [nephesh], and with all thy might [ma`od]. Deuteronomy 6:5
You said we are under the new covenant and you quoted:
Math. 22:37 Jesus said to him:” You shall love the LRD God with all of your heart and with all of your soul, and with all of you mind.”
Hahaha, look its the same verse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yes, we are. To bad you don't understand that. You see in the 10 Commandments in Exodus 34, it includes the Sabbath, that is what makes it the new covenant in Jesus Blood. Unless you want to kill a animal for the Sacrifice for your sins. I don't and it is not laughable. You go ahead and laugh all you want, I rather be under Jesus Blood and know that I am forgiven of my Sins, without having to make atonement for them and kill a Lamb. I rather eat it.
Irene
The Law was Repeated in the New Testament1. Do not have other gods (Mt 4:10)
2. Do not have idols (Ac 17:29, 1Jn 5:21)
3. Do not misuse the Lord's name (1Ti 6:1)
4. Keep the 7th-day Sabbath holy (Mk 2:27,28, Lk 4:16)
5. Honor your parents (Mt 19:19)
6. Do not kill (Mt 19:18, Ro 13:9)
7. Do not commit adultery (Mt 19:18, Ro 13:9)
8. Do not steal (Mt 19:18, Ro 13:9)
9. Do not give false testimony (Mt 19:18, Ro 13:9)
10. Do not covet (Ro 7:7, Ro 13:9)
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 30 2009,01:19) Quote (georg @ Oct. 30 2009,00:40) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 30 2009,18:56) Quote (georg @ Oct. 29 2009,05:46) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 29 2009,21:45) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 29 2009,02:32) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 29 2009,02:27) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 29 2009,15:19) Hi KW,
THe book was written to those who had entered the new covenant with their God.
To obey his son and walk in the Spirit is to obey the first commandment.
You are making it more difficult than it is.The teaching is simple in that in order to love God with all your heart, soul, strength, and understanding you must love your neighbor as yourself.
In order to love your neighbor as yourself you must love God with all your heart, soul, strength, and understanding.
In short the two commands are one command phrased in two different ways.
Makes sense to me.
And thou shalt love ['ahab] the LORD thy God with all thine heart [lebab], and with all thy soul [nephesh], and with all thy might [ma`od]. Deuteronomy 6:5'Ahab: Human love for or to God, human love for another, includes family, act of being a friend.
Lebab: Inner man, mind, will, heart, understanding, knowledge, thinking, reflection, memory, inclination, resolution, determination (of will), conscience, heart (of moral character), as seat of appetites, as seat of emotions and passions, as seat of courage.
Nephesh: Life, creature, person, that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, living being, living being (with life in the blood), the man himself, self, person or individual.
Ma`od: Might, force, abundance, exceedingly, much, muchness, greatly, very (idioms showing magnitude or degree).
You are quoting the Old Testament Law, which we are not under any more. For that matter we never were.
The Old Covenant was the Ten Commandments
Exodus 34:27
The the LORD said to Moses,”Write these Words for according to the tenor of these words I have mande a COVENANT with you ad Israel.”
verse 28
So He was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights, he neither ate bread or drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the COVENANT THE TEN COMMANDMENT.This is the Old Covenant.
We are under he New Covenant in
Luke 223:20….”This cup is the new COVENANT IN MY BLOOD
which is shed for you.And in Math. He gives us the great Commandment
Math. 22:37 Jesus said to him:” You shall love the LRD God with all of your heart and with all of your soul, and with all of you mind.”
verse 38 “This is the first and great commandment.
verse 39 ” And the second is like it;” You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
verse 40 “On these two Commandments hang ll the Law and the
Prophets.”I have ask and ask why is it that you and others want to go back, and look back. Are we not to go forward. Jesus also magnified that Law on the Sermon on the Mount. He also fulfilled the Old Testament Law. By dying on the cross for us.
What I find so amazing,that in spite of that Jesus never mentioned the Sabbath you and others want to still keep it.
I don't think that you and others don't realized that you have to keep the whole Law. All of it.
Galatians 5:4″You have have been estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law, you have fallen from grace.”Peace and Love Irene
Hahaha! your funny, you said were not under the old law anymore when I quoted:And thou shalt love ['ahab] the LORD thy God with all thine heart [lebab], and with all thy soul [nephesh], and with all thy might [ma`od]. Deuteronomy 6:5
You said we are under the new covenant and you quoted:
Math. 22:37 Jesus said to him:” You shall love the LRD God with all of your heart and with all of your soul, and with all of you mind.”
Hahaha, look its the same verse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yes, we are. To bad you don't understand that. You see in the 10 Commandments in Exodus 34, it includes the Sabbath, that is what makes it the new covenant in Jesus Blood. Unless you want to kill a animal for the Sacrifice for your sins. I don't and it is not laughable. You go ahead and laugh all you want, I rather be under Jesus Blood and know that I am forgiven of my Sins, without having to make atonement for them and kill a Lamb. I rather eat it.
Irene
The Law was Repeated in the New Testament1. Do not have other gods (Mt 4:10)
2. Do not have idols (Ac 17:29, 1Jn 5:21)
3. Do not misuse the Lord's name (1Ti 6:1)
4. Keep the 7th-day Sabbath holy (Mk 2:27,28, Lk 4:16)
5. Honor your parents (Mt 19:19)
6. Do not kill (Mt 19:18, Ro 13:9)
7. Do not commit adultery (Mt 19:18, Ro 13:9)
8. Do not steal (Mt 19:18, Ro 13:9)
9. Do not give false testimony (Mt 19:18, Ro 13:9)
10. Do not covet (Ro 7:7, Ro 13:9)
We do not do animal sacrifices, we have the Messiah.The Law was Amplified in the New Testament
The law is focused around love. (Mt 22:36-40 compare Lev 19:18 and Dt 6:5)
Commandments 1-4 define our relationship of love to God.
Commandments 5-10 define our relationship of love to other people.
Lust is adultery. (Mt 5:27,28, 2Pe 2:14,15)
Hate is murder. (Mt 5:21,22, 1Jn 3:15)
Fornication, uncleaness, covetousness, and other lusts are idolatry. (Col 3:5 compare Ro 7:7)
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