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Quote (georg @ Oct. 27 2009,05:24) To all! The Old Covenant is in Exodus 34:27 “Then the LORD said to Moses ” Write these words, according to the tenor of these words, I have made a Covenant with you and Israel.” verse 28 “So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread or drank water and he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant the Ten Commandments.
Notice that He said to Israel.
Exodus 31:16 “Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, throughout their generation
as a perpetual covenant.verse 17 “It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever…
Again notice the children of Israel.
Jesus did fulfill the law. First He magnified the Law, and made it Holy.
In Luke 22:20 ….Like also took the cup at super time, saying
“This cup is the new covenant in My Blood, which is shed for you.
Then He gave us the great Commandment in
Math. 22:36 “Teacher which is the great commandment in the law?
verse 37 Jesus said to Him,” You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul,
and with all of your mind.”
verse 38 “This is the first and great commandment.
verse 39 “And the second is like it; “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
verse 40 “On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”
This is the New Covenant that we are under. Jesus fulfilled the Law by dying for us.
By Faith we now also are under grace. When we do sin we have a perfect Sacrifice in Jesus, who is the perfect Sacrifice in His Blood.
Ephesians 2:8 : For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is
the gift of God.
verse 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
verse 10 For we are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God Prepared
beforehand that we should walk in them.
If we walk in the Spirit we will not sin. However we are still Human and we do sin at times. But now
we have a perfect sacrifice in Jesus, and we can go through Him to the Throne of God and ask for
forgiveness of that sin. For me it hurts when I sin and the Holy Spirit of God tells me right away,
and the times between sinning is getting farther and farther apart. Let the mind which was in Jesus be
in You. I thank God daily for what all that He has done for me. And thankful to Jesus for dying for me.
One more thing. If we keep the old Testament law, we have fallen from grace, it says in
Galatians 5:4 “You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law;
“you have fallen from grace.
Peace and Love Irene
For Marty, IreneQuote (georg @ Oct. 27 2009,12:43) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2009,11:59) Marty wrote: Quote Under the Law, the Jews had to offer animal sacrifices, and the high priest entered into the holy of holies on the day atonement with blood for his own sins and for the sins of the people of the nation of Israel and this was done every year, but under grace when we sin, and sin is the transgression of the law, the perfect sacrifice that has been offered once and for all washes away our sins when we repent.
I am confused as to what you mean. It seems to me you are stating that died in order to save some animals. I have to disagree if that is your point. Jesus died so that we would receive the Holy spirit and thus fulfill his promise that those that hunger and thirst for righteousness would be filled.
Even the Jews of today do not teach that sacrifices are necessary to please God. If you read the Law of Mosses you will find that Gentiles that lived in the lands of the 12 tribes did not have to sacrifice though the law requires them to do other things.
Under the Old covenant atonement had to be made, a Sacrifice an animal. Today Jesus is our perfect Sacrifice and no other is needed.
You also still belief in keeping the Sabbath, which was a covenant that God made with Israel, and not with us.
Jesus fulfilled the Old law and gave us a new.
And did i say thatJesus sinned? No, No,No.
Math. 36-40Irene
Animal sacrifices were never needed nor did God command it.For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Jeremiah 7:21-23Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 27 2009,14:34) Quote (georg @ Oct. 27 2009,12:43) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2009,11:59) Marty wrote: Quote Under the Law, the Jews had to offer animal sacrifices, and the high priest entered into the holy of holies on the day atonement with blood for his own sins and for the sins of the people of the nation of Israel and this was done every year, but under grace when we sin, and sin is the transgression of the law, the perfect sacrifice that has been offered once and for all washes away our sins when we repent.
I am confused as to what you mean. It seems to me you are stating that died in order to save some animals. I have to disagree if that is your point. Jesus died so that we would receive the Holy spirit and thus fulfill his promise that those that hunger and thirst for righteousness would be filled.
Even the Jews of today do not teach that sacrifices are necessary to please God. If you read the Law of Mosses you will find that Gentiles that lived in the lands of the 12 tribes did not have to sacrifice though the law requires them to do other things.
Under the Old covenant atonement had to be made, a Sacrifice an animal. Today Jesus is our perfect Sacrifice and no other is needed.
You also still belief in keeping the Sabbath, which was a covenant that God made with Israel, and not with us.
Jesus fulfilled the Old law and gave us a new.
And did i say thatJesus sinned? No, No,No.
Math. 36-40Irene
Animal sacrifices were never needed nor did God command it.For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Jeremiah 7:21-23
Hi Bd:Quote Jer 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Jer 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.Obedience is better than sacrifice, but since all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, He has provided the sacrifice.
Love in Christ,
martyMarty,
My problem is I do know how I interpret Hebrews 9 but I do not know how you interpret it.
I certainly do believe the Covenant with the 12 Tribes of Israel was a symbol of things to come.
I also believe that Jesus the Anointed One dies in order to put the Covenant of the Spirit into effect. It is through living by the Spirit that we are saved from our sins and once saved God forgives us for our sins. It is my opinion that It can also be said “that as long as we believe that God will make us righteous in accordance with his promise, that it is as if we no longer sin because God is faithful and will do as he promised.”
I am not in any way stating the Law of Mosses was set aside by the establishment of the New Covenant as scripture clearly states it was only fulfilled by it. I do agree that there is no need to sacrifice animals even for the Hebrew people.
Marty wrote:
Quote Obedience is better than sacrifice, but since all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, He has provided the sacrifice.
“Sinned” is past tense as it is through that sacrifice that we can obtain true obedience to God’s commands by walking according to the ways of the Spirit.
You confuse the Jesus WITH the law…Jesus and the law have two different purposes.
Since mankind is unable to perceive good and evil…(being a receptor for both)…The Law is our moral basis for all our actions.
Jesus' role was to provide salvation for the ones who belonged to the law but broke it, and to the ones who never new the law to begin with.
By the law we are condemned to death but by Jesus we are to be pardoned and live….
This is why Jesus is the fufiller and completer of the law.
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People think when you make it to heaven that's the end and “You've Won”
No way, there will be poor and rich people in heaven as there is on earth today.
Some people have an eternal position of wealth in heaven, others will have an eternal positon of poverty. The law is what determines that.
Thats why WORKS don't get you in heaven, Faith does…works establish what you will have in heaven.
But for a man that does good works, but does not know Jesus…Shall be a man who enters hell tho he not suffer like the rest of them.
But a man who never works but believes, would be the likes of a man who begs on the streets of heaven.
A begger in heaven is greater than a rich man in hell.
AmenQuote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 28 2009,06:20) Hi RM,
Where does it say the future home for men is heaven?
Is that not another myth?
Excuse me, the temporary home is heaven…the permenant is the New Eath…still doesn't take away from my point.Everyman shall be given according to his works. The law constitutes what's good and bad works.
Hi RM,
The OT Law is not about good works but the Law of love is.Temporary home- can you prove it?
Earth sounds like a comedown.RokkaMan wrote:
Quote You confuse the Jesus WITH the law…Jesus and the law have two different purposes.
I am not sure who you are speaking to, but I do know that Jesus came to fulfill the Law of Mosses.
RokkaMan wrote:
Quote Since mankind is unable to perceive good and evil…(being a receptor for both)
Where did you get that idea from. Mankind did eat of fruit of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil.
RokkaMan wrote:
Quote The Law is our moral basis for all our actions.
The Law of Mosses is summed up as Love your neighbor as God desires you love yourself.
RokkaMan wrote:
Quote Jesus' role was to provide salvation for the ones who belonged to the law but broke it, and to the ones who never new the law to begin with.
All belong to the Law of Love though the covenant of Mt. Sinai was not made with all. Otherwise what you state is correct.
RokkaMan wrote:
Quote By the law we are condemned to death but by Jesus we are to be pardoned and live….
The argument is that because the Law makes you aware of your sins and you are judged by what you know the Law leads to you being condemned. In other words knowledge of your sins is not enough to save you.
We are pardoned for the sins committed beforehand, but we are not pardoned if we treat the blood of Jesus as an unholy thing.
You should seek to understand more about the benefits of living by the Spirit because Jesus did not come to save a bunch of animals.
NIck……….The old testament Law is all about good works , it can only be fulfilled through the Spirit of Love, but never done away with. Just fulfilled in us, All of them without exception of any. “For (ALL) the LAW is (fulfilled) in ONE word you shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Doe that sound like they are done away with.
gene
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2009,16:58) Marty, My problem is I do know how I interpret Hebrews 9 but I do not know how you interpret it.
I certainly do believe the Covenant with the 12 Tribes of Israel was a symbol of things to come.
I also believe that Jesus the Anointed One dies in order to put the Covenant of the Spirit into effect. It is through living by the Spirit that we are saved from our sins and once saved God forgives us for our sins. It is my opinion that It can also be said “that as long as we believe that God will make us righteous in accordance with his promise, that it is as if we no longer sin because God is faithful and will do as he promised.”
I am not in any way stating the Law of Mosses was set aside by the establishment of the New Covenant as scripture clearly states it was only fulfilled by it. I do agree that there is no need to sacrifice animals even for the Hebrew people.
Marty wrote:
Quote Obedience is better than sacrifice, but since all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, He has provided the sacrifice.
“Sinned” is past tense as it is through that sacrifice that we can obtain true obedience to God’s commands by walking according to the ways of the Spirit.
Hi Kerwin:If we obeyed God without sin, then no sacrifice would not be necessary, but neither the Hebrews that were under the law nor we gentiles who were not under the law have obeyed God's eternal law without violating it, if only inadvertantly.
About the Law, the Apostle Paul states that it was added because of transgression. God's promises to Abraham were not through the law but he was considered righteous because he believed God, but in believing he obeyed God, but not without making mistakes. And so, through the Law men know that they have violated God's eternal law or in other words that they have sinned, and when they or we violate the law, it is time to repent.
The animal sacrifices, the passover lamb, those offered when an individual sinned, and the sacrifices on the day of atonement were symbolic of the perfect sacrifice that God has provided in the person of His Only Begotten Son.
When we come to God by him(Jesus) initially, we come by faith with a repentant heart, and the blood of Jesus washes away all of our past sins. There is no more remebrance of them. When we are born again, God is then the Father of our Spirit, and He leads us into all truths in His Word, and as we learn to apply the Word of God in our daily lives our spirit is formed so that we become like Jesus, and as you say, God will bring us to maturity, but that is if we continue in the faith.As born again Christians, we will make mistakes along the way, and so, without the blood to wash away ours sins when we fall short of perfect obedience we could not be saved.
Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to all who believe, but no, the law has not been abolished, we fulfill the law in the body of Christ, through spirit of Love.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 28 2009,13:33) G,
So thou shalt not kill was never written on any heart but the law of love?
Hi Nick:Is the following that Jesus has given us written on your heart?
Quote Mat 5:21 ¶ Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.Love in Christ,
MartyMarty wrote:
Quote If we obeyed God without sin, then no sacrifice would not be necessary, but neither the Hebrews that were under the law nor we gentiles who were not under the law have obeyed God's eternal law without violating it, if only inadvertently.
I agree that if a person already has the Holy Spirit then there is no need for a sacrifice but we do not which is why Jesus taught that one must be born again in order to enter the kingdom of heaven. That was not preached to the angels who already have the Holy Spirit.
Marty wrote:
Quote About the Law, the Apostle Paul states that it was added because of transgression.
I agree with Paul that the Law made us aware of our sins but did not give us the Holy Spirit.
Marty wrote:
Quote God's promises to Abraham were not through the law but he was considered righteous because he believed God, but in believing he obeyed God, but not without making mistakes
I agree that Abraham did not have access to the Holy Spirit but we of this age do have access by obeying all of Jesus’ teachings. That access is by faith from first to last because that obedience is conceived from our faith that Jesus is the Anointed One.
Marty wrote:
Quote And so, through the Law men know that they have violated God's eternal law or in other words that they have sinned, and when they or we violate the law, it is time to repent.
If we sin then we must confess our sins and God will cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Marty wrote:
Quote The animal sacrifices, the Passover lamb, those offered when an individual sinned, and the sacrifices on the Day of Atonement were symbolic of the perfect sacrifice that God has provided in the person of His Only Begotten Son.
They were a symbol of things to come but they also served to atone for sins a person committed by them making a sacrifice of their possessions in keeping with their wealth. Of course some probably viewed that cost as a license to sin.
Marty wrote:
Quote Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to all who believe, but no, the law has not been abolished, we fulfill the law in the body of Christ, through spirit of Love.
I believe you accidentally stated your first part wrong. This is what Paul actually stated.
Romans 10:4(NIV) reads:
Quote Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
The Law of Moses did not give anyone the Holy Spirit and so required each individual to obey God’s righteous dictates through human effort. Jesus died on the cross and set the New Covenant into being which did give the Holy Spirit that enabled each person to obey God’s righteous dictates by the power of God. That is how the Anointed One ended the Law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. In other words as you stated “through the spirit of love”
Quote Kerwin wrote:
I agree that Abraham did not have access to the Holy Spirit but we of this age do have access by obeying all of Jesus’ teachings. That access is by faith from first to last because that obedience is conceived from our faith that Jesus is the Anointed One.Where is it written He did NOT have access to the Holy Spirit?
Many of the Old Testament Folks had access to the Holy Spirit!
Just because it does NOT say he did, does NOT mean he didn't.
Examples:
Moses own account:
And Pharaoh said unto his servants, Can we find [such a one] as this [is], a man in whom the Spirit of God [is]? Genesis 41:38
God filled those who made Aarons Garments:
And thou shalt speak unto all [that are] wise hearted, whom I have filled with the spirit of wisdom, that they may make Aaron's garments to consecrate him, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office. Exodus 28:3
Bezaleel the son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah was filled with the Holy Spirit:
And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship, Exodus 31:3
The Seventy Elders received the Spirit:
And the LORD came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that [was] upon him, and gave [it] unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, [that], when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease. Numbers 11:25
Baalam had the Spirit:
And Balaam lifted up his eyes, and he saw Israel abiding [in his tents] according to their tribes; and the spirit of God came upon him. Numbers 24:2
Joshua had the Spirit:
And the LORD said unto Moses, Take thee Joshua the son of Nun, a man in whom [is] the spirit, and lay thine hand upon him; Numbers 27:18
Othniel the son of Kenaz had the Spirit:
And the Spirit of the LORD came upon him, and he judged Israel, and went out to war: and the LORD delivered Chushanrishathaim king of Mesopotamia into his hand; and his hand prevailed against Chushanrishathaim. Judges 3:10
Gideon had the Spirit:
But the Spirit of the LORD came upon Gideon, and he blew a trumpet; and Abiezer was gathered after him. Judges 6:34
Jephthah had the Spirit:
Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah, and he passed over Gilead, and Manasseh, and passed over Mizpeh of Gilead, and from Mizpeh of Gilead he passed over [unto] the children of Ammon. Judges 11:29
Sampson had the Spirit:
And the Spirit of the LORD began to move him at times in the camp of Dan between Zorah and Eshtaol. Judges 13:25
Samuel had the Spirit:
And the Spirit of the LORD will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man. 1Samuel 10:6
The Messengers of Saul had the Spirit:
And Saul sent messengers to take David: and when they saw the company of the prophets prophesying, and Samuel standing [as] appointed over them, the Spirit of God was upon the messengers of Saul, and they also prophesied. 1Samuel 19:20
David had the Spirit:
The Spirit of the LORD spake by me, and his word [was] in my tongue. 2Samuel 23:2
Isaiah speaking about Moses:
Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, [and] his people, [saying], Where [is] he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where [is] he that put his holy Spirit within him? Isaiah 63:11
Daniel had the Holy Spirit: Ezekiel Testified of Daniel:
But at the last Daniel came in before me, whose name [was] Belteshazzar, according to the name of my god, and in whom [is] the spirit of the holy gods: and before him I told the dream, [saying], Daniel 4:8
O Belteshazzar, master of the magicians, because I know that the spirit of the holy gods [is] in thee, and no secret troubleth thee, tell me the visions of my dream that I have seen, and the interpretation thereof. Daniel 4:9
This dream I king Nebuchadnezzar have seen. Now thou, O Belteshazzar, declare the interpretation thereof, forasmuch as all the wise [men] of my kingdom are not able to make known unto me the interpretation: but thou [art] able; for the spirit of the holy gods [is] in thee. Daniel 4:18
There is a man in thy kingdom, in whom [is] the spirit of the holy gods; and in the days of thy father light and understanding and wisdom, like the wisdom of the gods, was found in him; whom the king Nebuchadnezzar thy father, the king, , thy father, made master of the magicians, astrologers, Chaldeans, [and] soothsayers; Daniel 5:8
I could go on and on and on.
Be careful when you say the Holy Spirit was NOT active in the Old Testament.
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2009,22:01) Marty wrote: Quote If we obeyed God without sin, then no sacrifice would not be necessary, but neither the Hebrews that were under the law nor we gentiles who were not under the law have obeyed God's eternal law without violating it, if only inadvertently.
I agree that if a person already has the Holy Spirit then there is no need for a sacrifice but we do not which is why Jesus taught that one must be born again in order to enter the kingdom of heaven. That was not preached to the angels who already have the Holy Spirit.
Marty wrote:
Quote About the Law, the Apostle Paul states that it was added because of transgression.
I agree with Paul that the Law made us aware of our sins but did not give us the Holy Spirit.
Marty wrote:
Quote God's promises to Abraham were not through the law but he was considered righteous because he believed God, but in believing he obeyed God, but not without making mistakes
I agree that Abraham did not have access to the Holy Spirit but we of this age do have access by obeying all of Jesus’ teachings. That access is by faith from first to last because that obedience is conceived from our faith that Jesus is the Anointed One.
Marty wrote:
Quote And so, through the Law men know that they have violated God's eternal law or in other words that they have sinned, and when they or we violate the law, it is time to repent.
If we sin then we must confess our sins and God will cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Marty wrote:
Quote The animal sacrifices, the Passover lamb, those offered when an individual sinned, and the sacrifices on the Day of Atonement were symbolic of the perfect sacrifice that God has provided in the person of His Only Begotten Son.
They were a symbol of things to come but they also served to atone for sins a person committed by them making a sacrifice of their possessions in keeping with their wealth. Of course some probably viewed that cost as a license to sin.
Marty wrote:
Quote Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to all who believe, but no, the law has not been abolished, we fulfill the law in the body of Christ, through spirit of Love.
I believe you accidentally stated your first part wrong. This is what Paul actually stated.
Romans 10:4(NIV) reads:
Quote Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
The Law of Moses did not give anyone the Holy Spirit and so required each individual to obey God’s righteous dictates through human effort. Jesus died on the cross and set the New Covenant into being which did give the Holy Spirit that enabled each person to obey God’s righteous dictates by the power of God. That is how the Anointed One ended the Law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. In other words as you stated “through the spirit of love”
Why you even trying to match or compare the Holy Spirit and the Law?They have absolutly nothing to do with each other.
Constitutionalist wrote:
Quote Where is it written He did NOT have access to the Holy Spirit?
This teaching of Jesus lays it right out for anyone who has ears to hear. He states himself that the Spirit will not come unless he returns to his Father. Abraham lived before the time of the New Covenant so he could only look forward to it and not actually enter it.
John 14:9-31(NIV) reads:
Quote Jesus answered: “Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father.
You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it. “If you love me, you will obey what I command. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[c] in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. “All this I have spoken while still with you. But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.
“You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. I have told you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe. I will not speak with you much longer, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold on me, but the world must learn that I love the Father and that I do exactly what my Father has commanded me.
“Come now; let us leave.Here is a prophecy about the covenant of the Spirit.
Ezekiel 36:24-28(NIV) reads:
Quote ” 'For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land. I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. You will live in the land I gave your forefathers; you will be my people, and I will be your God
And again
Jeremiah 31:31-33(NIV) reads:
Quote “The time is coming,” declares the LORD,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah.
It will not be like the covenant
I made with their forefathers
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to them, ”
declares the LORD.
“This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after that time,” declares the LORD.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.Constitutionalist wrote:
Quote Many of the Old Testament Folks had access to the Holy Spirit!
It was not the same because if it had been then there would have been no need for a new covenant.
Constitutionalist wrote:
Quote They have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
Incorrect, because living by the spirit fulfills the Law which is why there is no law against the fruits of the Spirit.Galatians 5:22-23(NIV) reads:
Quote But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
Quote Constitutionalist wrote:Quote They have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
Incorrect, because living by the spirit fulfills the Law which is why there is no law against the fruits of the Spirit.
Galatians 5:22-23(NIV) reads:Quote
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
It means its not against the law, saying if you have those things within you transgress no law. Quit twisting.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Constitutionalist wrote:
Quote It means its not against the law, saying if you have those things within you transgress no law.
You will have to explain to me where you see a twisting when I stated that if you live by the Spirit you obey the Law and thus do not break it. That is what “fulfill the Law” obviously means.
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 28 2009,01:27) Constitutionalist wrote: Quote It means its not against the law, saying if you have those things within you transgress no law.
You will have to explain to me where you see a twisting when I stated that if you live by the Spirit you obey the Law and thus do not break it. That is what “fulfill the Law” obviously means.
Didn't you say earlier 'fulfill” means abolish?
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