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Hi,
GB has indicated be believes in this popular idea.
Should we?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determinism
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04756c.htm
http://www.mb-soft.com/believe/text/determin.htm
http://www.skepdic.com/determinism.html – 9kAccording to Wikipedia – Brother Gene would be considered “Hard Determinism”.
I think it's an interesting thing to ponder, however if you put your trust fully in the bible I would have to say that the PAST doesn't necessarily influence our future.
We become new creations in Christ. The old has past and the new has come…….
Just some thoughts,
MandyMandy….I think you are right i believe that all thing are determined by ONE GOD, who has purposed all things in advance and nothing is Just happenstance. God said He knew the (END) from the Beginning that would require intervention of some kind and intervention in a general sense, is every little event that way i don't know, i think we do have some GOD given liberties with regards to life. It does say GOD is the Author of liberty, so i think he does want us to enjoy liberty within certain limits though as long as it is not an abuse to ourself or others.
love and peace to you and yours…………..gene
Mandy….I meant to also say we indeed are a new creation in Christ but even that is a work of God, Remember “For God works (ALL) things acording to the Council of His OWN WILL, and we are (CREATED) unto good works. Inorder to be reated unto good works it requires a creator of it. IMO
IMO.love ………..gene
Hi Gene,
I confess, it's a bit disheartening to ponder that God already knows who will serve him and who will deny him (because he planned who will serve him and who will deny him). What if I only think I am one of the one's who will serve him, but in the end I deny him (according to his plan)? It appears I have no choice. That's confusing and quite frankly, doesn't sound fair.
Love,
MandyMandy…..put this in you thinking, GOD is going to (SAVE EVERYONE) ultimately and it won't seem so bad , at this time He has chosen just a few to be in the 1000 year period and serve with Christ the rest of man kind of a thousand years for a purpose God wants to get across, But the rest of (ALL) of man Kind will as WJ and I and others Have Said. God the Father made not one Human being to be thrown into and ever burning Hell fire and watch his Child burn and scream out into all eternity. It plainly Says GOD is not willing that any parish, and it also says God does (ALL) things after the council of His own will, and so if He is not willing for any to parish then non will parish, For God has concluded (ALL) under SIN that He might Have Mercy on (ALL), not just one or two picky few.Even though at this time Just a few are chosen and while this is (A) day of salvation it is not the (ONLY) day of Salvation. GOd has determined this from the beginning and it will happen.
Love and peace to you and yours Mandy…………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 18 2008,03:47) while this is (A) day of salvation it is not the (ONLY) day of Salvation. GOd has determined this from the beginning and it will happen.
I believe this is true. Thanks, Gene.
Love,
MandyNick…..But He has said it is (NOT) His WILL that (ANY) Parish. And it does say GOD does (ALL) things after the Council of His own WILL. And it Does say He has concluded (ALL) under sin in order that He might Have Mercy on (ALL). Right. And it does say (ALL) of Israel shall be saved. And it does say I (GOD) will take out of you the heart of stone and give you a heart of Flesh (soft heart).
And it does say For GOD works in Us to BOTH (WILL) and DO ALL HIS GOOD PLEASURE. And it does say “for we are SAVED by GRACE (God influencing our hearts) (NOT) of YOURSELVES (NOT WORK) it is a GIFT OF GOD. And these are only some of the scriptures that back up His saving work for His creation. Now who are we to believe the dome and gloom you teach that our salvations up to our own will or are we to believe what the scriptures say? That it is a GIFT of GOD and NOT OF OURSELVES, lest anyone should (BOAST).
Its simple Nick thats all you have to do is put it together. Do you want me to go through the bible and post possibly over a Hundred scripture that prove this point. From what King David said about God not imputing the iniquity's and sins on people He pardons. Saying blessed is He to whom the Lord will not impute sin and whose iniquities He has covered. And where it say (WHO EVER CALLES ON THE NAME OF THE LORD (SHALL BE) SAVED. But I believe if i were to quote a thousand scriptures to you as many have you still will not accept it. I fell sorry for you Nick. You need to turn your teaching to more of a positive ministry. People Here and every where do not need to hear gloom and doom teachings they have enough problems with their lives as it is, with out you causing them to doubt their salvation and there by weakening their faith. When you turn them to their own works as a means of salvation you are going against scripture. You seem to always forget where it says we are saved by GRACE (God influencing our hearts) AND THAT (NOT) OF YOURSELVES> do you believe that or not?.
I am a robot and I must obey. I wrote this because it was determined. Please do not get upset. I am a robot…
T8……..You might be more of a robot then you think you are, Proof (there is not one thought you think that did not come into you from a outside source. All Good that every will exist always existed, and all Evil that will ever exist always existed. For the is (NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN) we are told. People who want to be a God unto there selves hate the idea of caused obedience because it limits there own power in there lives and the carnal mind (HATES) the idea of that. The Carnal mind Hates the Absolute SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD> DO you think you create a new kind of righteousness that unique to you and I create a new Kind of righteousness that unique to me and so on with every human being who ever existed and we become some kind of independent GOD. NO there is (ONLY ONE RIGHTEOUSNESS) and guess what it always existed and always will we are called to do the will of GOD, not create it in ourselves, thats something GOD has to DO in us, not by our own so-called free wills, there is no “free will” and even the captivated wills we have are to be destroyed so that (ONLY ONE WILL WILL BE DONE AND THATS GOD'S WILL). Personally i will settle for being a clone or robot of God any day.If He will fill me with His perfection and Holiness thats good enough for me. Man Hates the thought of them not being their own God and thats why their minds are an enemy to Gods laws and are not subject to them neither indeed can be , because man wants to not subject himself to God but want to be a GOD Himself. Make His own decisions as reguards to his salvation by the power of His own choices. Pure foolishness. IMO
peace to you and yours…………gene
Hi GB,
The carnal mind would love to know that it can rest back and do nothing. All since the mind is in the process of being transformed[rom12] such is largely the state of all of us. So we are well advised to keep walking and work out our salvation in fear and tremblingQuote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 18 2008,07:22) Hi GB,
He does not say He will save all
but you do?
But hasn't God bound us ALL over to sin so that he can have mercy on us ALL? This is what scripture teaches us, is it not?
MandyQuote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 18 2008,11:32) Hi not3,
In which context is this found?
Romans 11:32 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society32For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
Hi not3,
So to whom was the book written?
In the specific context whom was it speaking of?
We are servants of a hard master in these matters of what is written.I think it's a pretty generalized statement and encompasses ALL MEN. Otherwise it would have mentioned Jews, Gentiles or other's.
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