Denial of meaning to english word satan

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I have posted this before, but I wanted to bring it up again

Traditional Christian belief would teach us that the Book of Jude is speaking of a good angel and an evil fallen angel are arguing over the literal body of Moses.

Jude 1:3 Beloved, all diligence using to write to you concerning the common salvation, I had necessity to write to you, exhorting to agonize for the faith once delivered to the saints, 4 for there did come in unobserved certain men, long ago having been written beforehand to this judgment, impious, the grace of our God perverting to lasciviousness, and our only Master, God, and Lord — Jesus Christ — denying, 5 and to remind you I intend, you knowing once this, that the Lord, a people out of the land of Egypt having saved, again those who did not believe did destroy; 6 messengers also, those who did not keep their own principality, but did leave their proper dwelling, to a judgment of a great day, in bonds everlasting, under darkness He hath kept, 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them, in like manner to these, having given themselves to whoredom, and gone after other flesh, have been set before — an example, of fire age-during, justice suffering. 8 In like manner, nevertheless, those dreaming also the flesh indeed do defile, and lordship they put away, and dignities they speak evil of, 9 yet Michael, the chief messenger, when, with the devil contending, he was disputing about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring up an evil-speaking judgment, but said, `The Lord rebuke thee!' 10 and these, as many things indeed as they have not known, they speak evil of; and as many things as naturally (as the irrational beasts) they understand, in these they are corrupted; 11 wo to them! because in the way of Cain they did go on, and to the deceit of Balaam for reward they did rush, and in the gainsaying of Korah they did perish.

What is the scripture referring to when speaking of the body of Moses?

Deuteronomy 34:5 So Moses the servant of the Lord died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the Lord. 6 And He buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, opposite Beth Peor; but no one knows his grave to this day. 7 Moses was one hundred and twenty years old when he died. His eyes were not dim nor his natural vigor diminished. 8 And the children of Israel wept for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days. So the days of weeping and mourning for Moses ended.

We can see that there WAS NO dispute over the literal body of Moses. Scripture tells us that God buried him. Really, what would have been up for dispute? A dead corpse rots no matter where it is buried.

As the Old Testament shows us what happened with the literal body of Moses I believe it also tells us along with the New, what Jude was referring to.

1 Corinthians 2:1 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.

Acts 7:37 “This is that Moses who said to the children of Israel, 'The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear.' 38 This is he who was in the congregation in the wilderness with the Angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our fathers, the one who received the living oracles to give to us,

Eph 5:23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.

1 Corinthians 12:27 Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. 28 And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues.

The congregation or Church in the wilderness, that was baptized into Moses, represents the body of Moses, this is the body that Jude was referring to.

Ezra 4:1 Now when the adversaries of Judah and Benjamin heard that the descendants of the captivity were building the temple of the Lord God of Israel, 2 they came to Zerubbabel and the heads of the fathers' houses, and said to them, “Let us build with you, for we seek your God as you do; and we have sacrificed to Him since the days of Esarhaddon king of Assyria, who brought us here.” 3 But Zerubbabel and Jeshua and the rest of the heads of the fathers' houses of Israel said to them, “You may do nothing with us to build a house for our God; but we alone will build to the Lord God of Israel, as King Cyrus the king of Persia has commanded us.” 4 Then the people of the land tried to discourage the people of Judah. They troubled them in building, 5 and hired counselors against them to frustrate their purpose all the days of Cyrus king of Persia, even until the reign of Darius king of Persia. 6 In the reign of Ahasuerus, in the beginning of his reign, they wrote an accusation against the inhabitants of Judah and Jerusalem. 7 In the days of Artaxerxes also, Bishlam, Mithredath, Tabel, and the rest of their companions wrote to Artaxerxes king of Persia; and the letter was written in Aramaic script, and translated into the Aramaic language. 8 Rehumthe commander and Shimshai the scribe wrote a letter against Jerusalem to King Artaxerxes in this fashion: 9 From Rehum the commander, Shimshai the scribe, and the rest of their companions–representatives of the Dinaites, the Apharsathchites, the Tarpelites, the people of Persia and Erech and Babylon and Shushan, the Dehavites, the Elamites, 10 and the rest of the nations whom the great and noble Osnapper took captive and settled in the cities of Samaria and the remainder beyond the River*–and so forth.11 (This is a copy of the letter that they sent him) To King Artaxerxes from your servants, the men of the region beyond the River, and so forth: 12 Let it be known to the king that the Jews who came up from you have come to us at Jerusalem, and are building the rebellious and evil city, and are finishing its walls and repairing the foundations. 13 Let it now be known to the king that, if this city is built and the walls completed, they will not pay tax, tribute, or custom, and the king's treasury will be diminished. 14 Now because we receive support from the palace, it was not proper for us to see the king's dishonor; therefore we have sent and informed the king, 15 that search may be made in the book of the records of your fathers. And you will find in the book of the records and know that this city is a rebellious city, harmful to kings and provinces, and that they have incited sedition within the city in former times, for which cause this city was destroyed. 16 We inform the king that if this city is rebuilt and its walls are completed, the result will be that you will have no dominion beyond the River. 17 The king sent an answer: To Rehum the commander, to Shimshai the scribe, to the rest of their companions who dwell in Samaria, and to the remainder beyond the River: Peace, and so forth. 18 The letter which you sent to us has been clearly read before me. 19 And I gave the command, and a search has been made, and it was found that this city in former times has revolted against kings, and rebellion and sedition have been fostered in it. 20 There have also been mighty kings over Jerusalem, who have ruled over all the region beyond the River; and tax, tribute, and custom were paid to them. 21 Now give the command to make these men cease, that this city may not be built until the command is given by me. 22 Take heed now that you do not fail to do this. Why should damage increase to the hurt of the kings? 23 Now when the copy of King Artaxerxes' letter was read before Rehum, Shimshai the scribe, and th
eir companions, they went up in haste to Jerusalem against the Jews, and by force of arms made them cease. 24 Thus the work of the house of God which is at Jerusalem ceased, and it was discontinued until the second year of the reign of Darius king of Persia.

Ezra 5:1 Then the prophet Haggai and Zechariah the son of Iddo, prophets, prophesied to the Jews who were in Judah and Jerusalem, in the name of the God of Israel, who was over them. 2 So Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel and Jeshua the son of Jozadak rose up and began to build the house of God which is in Jerusalem; and the prophets of God were with them, helping them.

Ezra 6:7 Let the work of this house of God alone; let the governor of the Jews and the elders of the Jews build this house of God on its site. 8 Moreover I issue a decree as to what you shall do for the elders of these Jews, for the building of this house of God: Let the cost be paid at the king's expense from taxes on the region beyond the River; this is to be given immediately to these men, so that they are not hindered. 9 And whatever they need–young bulls, rams, and lambs for the burnt offerings of the God of heaven, wheat, salt, wine, and oil, according to the request of the priests who are in Jerusalem–let it be given them day by day without fail, 10 that they may offer sacrifices of sweet aroma to the God of heaven, and pray for the life of the king and his sons. 11 Also I issue a decree that whoever alters this edict, let a timber be pulled from his house and erected, and let him be hanged on it; and let his house be made a refuse heap because of this. 12 And may the God who causes His name to dwell there destroy any king or people who put their hand to alter it, or to destroy this house of God which is in Jerusalem. I Darius issue a decree; let it be done diligently.

Zechariah 3:1 And he sheweth me Joshua the high priest standing before the messenger of Jehovah, and the Adversary standing at his right hand, to be an adversary to him. 2 And Jehovah saith unto the Adversary: `Jehovah doth push against thee, O Adversary, Yea, push against thee doth Jehovah, Who is fixing on Jerusalem, Is not this a brand delivered from fire?'

Zechariah prophesied this during the time that the body of Moses was attempting to rebuild the temple, During the time of
Ezra 4 and 6!!

Zechariah 4:1 Now the angel who talked with me came back and wakened me, as a man who is wakened out of his sleep. 2 And he said to me, “What do you see?” So I said, “I am looking, and there is a lampstand of solid gold with a bowl on top of it, and on the stand seven lamps with seven pipes to the seven lamps. 3 Two olive trees are by it, one at the right of the bowl and the other at its left.” 4 So I answered and spoke to the angel who talked with me, saying, “What are these, my lord?” 5 Then the angel who talked with me answered and said to me, “Do you not know what these are?” And I said, “No, my lord.” 6 So he answered and said to me: “This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel: 'Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,' Says the Lord of hosts. 7 'Who are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you shall become a plain! And he shall bring forth the capstone With shouts of “Grace, grace to it!” ' ” 8 Moreover the word of the Lord came to me, saying: 9 “The hands of Zerubbabel Have laid the foundation of this temple;* His hands shall also finish it. Then you will know That the Lord of hosts has sent Me to you. 10 For who has despised the day of small things? For these seven rejoice to see The plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel. They are the eyes of the Lord, Which scan to and fro throughout the whole earth.”

WHO was the adversary that stood in the way of the body of Moses now under Joshua the high priest, being a false accuser or DEVIL unto them, trying to keep them from building the temple?

The Satan of which the Lord rebuked in Zechariah 3 under Zechariah’s Vision were the Samaritans. God, through His angel affecting the decision of the king, made the prophesy of Zechariah come true, rebuking the Samaritans desire to keep the temple from being built.

Michael the angel, the eyes of the Lord which scan to and fro throughout the whole earth, had to contend with the Samaritans who were acting as adversaries against the body of Moses during the time Joshua was the high priest.

No doubt the Samaritans were running after the way of Cain (our father the devil first born into the world who was a murderer and a liar), wanting to harm others for their own gain, acting like brute beast, animals who know not the way of God, only how to serve their flesh.

In Jude 1 the body of Moses represented Israel (Judah and Benjamin) and the devil or SLANDERER, represented the Samaritans!

If you were a Jew who knew his history of his own people, you would know exactly what the author of the book of Jude was speaking about.

Biblical fact is that the English word SATAN means adversary and the Hebrew word is used in scripture directly as referring to MEN.
As well, the word devil means slanderer NOT fallen angel, and the Samaritans were just that they were a devil unto those trying to build the temple.

June 25, 2010 at 4:05 pm#199867

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If I was the owner of this forum I would not allow all these duplicate threads with the same content.

It makes you wonder if it is distraction from the rebuttels on the previous threads dealing with the same subject!

June 25, 2010 at 5:32 pm#199877

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Some times certain posts of mine get ignored, so I like to bring them up again to see if I can get a response. likewise there are new members who I doubt saw the original post in the first place. I don't have the time to go back and search where I previously posted on Jude 1, and see what was said. I don't remember how long ago it was, in what thread it was or on what page. So this is easier.

Really what's the BIG DEAL here WJ? Good Grief =(

Did you respond to my previous post on Jude WJ? If you are so irritated why don't you take the time to go back and find where it was and show us where we all left off, and prove that the topic had gotten to a point where it should no longer be discussed…and then we can just ignore new members that might want to talk about it.

Just to clarify WJ, your stance is that topics or posts should never be bumped?

As well, it would appear according to you that we should never consider new members or guests on this forum?

June 25, 2010 at 6:51 pm#199881

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Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 25 2010,12:32)

Just to clarify WJ, your stance is that topics or posts should never be bumped?

Not at all, but this is not a bump is it?

There is a search button to find a topic or thread that you created before.

So why clutter the forum with more of the same?

June 25, 2010 at 7:02 pm#199885

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It took me a couple of minutes to find the following link!

June 25, 2010 at 7:04 pm#199886

https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….=jude+4

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Here is another one!

June 25, 2010 at 9:03 pm#199899

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 26 2010,06:02)

It took me a couple of minutes to find the following link!

My thread on Beelzebub and demons is different from Jude 1.

Why you would post this in your defense makes no sense. The body of Moses was not discussed at all on this thread.

If your are trying to assert that because I spoke about Beelzebub and demons being real or fake means that I should not discuss the identity of the body of Moses and the adversary involved, you are truly unbelievable!! That is just absolutely absurd!!

June 25, 2010 at 9:24 pm#199904

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Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 25 2010,16:03)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 26 2010,06:02)

It took me a couple of minutes to find the following link!

My thread on Beelzebub and demons is different from Jude 1.

Why you would post this in your defense makes no sense. The body of Moses was not discussed at all on this thread.

Jodi

Your whole contention in all these threads is to prove that satan is not a sentient being which is a lie against the scritpures!

June 25, 2010 at 9:41 pm#199908

https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….=jude+4

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 26 2010,06:04)

Here is another one!

Nice work you found my previous thread that discusses Jude 1 and the body of Moses!! On this thread however, I am not wanting to solely discuss Jude 1, I am wanting to discuss slanderers and adversaries, and how many people deny the meaning of the English word Satan that in Hebrew means adversary NOT FALLEN ANGEL. Jude 1 is just my first point.

This forum certainly has a place for bringing up old topics and rediscussing them with old members, or bringing up old topics and discussing them for the first time with new.

Good grief WJ, it was an entire year ago that I made that thread!!

I don't think it's clutter, thanks for sharing your opinion that you do. If I want to discuss something that I have already discussed with old and new members, with new points and additional scriptures, I am very glad this forum allows me to do so. Now that we know your opinion that you don't want to discuss this then why don't you just leave this thread alone now.

June 25, 2010 at 9:43 pm#199910

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 26 2010,08:24)

Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 25 2010,16:03)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 26 2010,06:02)

It took me a couple of minutes to find the following link!

My thread on Beelzebub and demons is different from Jude 1.

Why you would post this in your defense makes no sense. The body of Moses was not discussed at all on this thread.

Jodi

Your whle contention in all these threads is to prove that satan is not a sentient being which is a lie against the scritpures!

DEFINE sentient for me WJ?

June 25, 2010 at 9:59 pm#199915

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Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 25 2010,16:43)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 26 2010,08:24)

Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 25 2010,16:03)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 26 2010,06:02)

It took me a couple of minutes to find the following link!

My thread on Beelzebub and demons is different from Jude 1.

Why you would post this in your defense makes no sense. The body of Moses was not discussed at all on this thread.

Jodi

Your whle contention in all these threads is to prove that satan is not a sentient being which is a lie against the scritpures!

DEFINE sentient for me WJ?

Sentient…
responsive to or conscious of sense impressions..sentient beings.. Websters

Satan is a real being that has senses and consciousness!

June 25, 2010 at 10:18 pm#199924

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Satan is NOT a BEING PERIOD, it is a description of a being.

If I were writing during the time of Hitler and I wrote, “soon more Jews would be placed in concentration camps by the Devil”, the devil would represent Hitler not some fallen angel.

Just like-

Revelation 2:10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.

This author is not speaking of a fallen angel but a SLANDERER, a MAN, an emperor who was falsely accusing and persecuting the first Christians.

Jesus called Peter Satan, satan meaning adversary. He could of called him Fool, just the same. Fool does not represent one person, but is a description in how a person is thinking or behaving.

God said HE would CURSE Israel if they disobeyed, and we know that they certainly did disobey, and that they certainly were then cursed. An angel that brought a curse was called by the Israelites SAW-TAWN, this was a descriptive word made by the Hebrews to the angels who held such duties under God.

Satan is not some proper name of one being, it is a title that gives description to an individual.

June 25, 2010 at 10:38 pm#199926

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Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 25 2010,17:18)

Satan is NOT a BEING PERIOD, it is a description of a being.

If I were writing during the time of Hitler and I wrote, “soon more Jews would be placed in concentration camps by the Devil”, the devil would represent Hitler not some fallen angel.

Just like-

This author is not speaking of a fallen angel but a SLANDERER, a MAN, an emperor who was falsely accusing and persecuting the first Christians.

Jesus called Peter Satan, satan meaning adversary. He could of called him Fool, just the same. Fool does not represent one person, but is a description in how a person is thinking or behaving.

Satan is not some proper name of one being, it is a title that gives description to an individual.

How about “Father of lies”?

That is a real title given to a real being by Jesus!

How about Jesus claiming “satan” had his own Kingdom?

So rant on as you want Jodi, but I don't care to engage your nonsense!

June 26, 2010 at 3:14 pm#200111

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Father of lies….

John 8:43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

Genesis 4:6 So the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? 7 If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it.” 8 Now Cain talked with Abel his brother; and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother and killed him. 9 Then the Lord said to Cain, “Where is Abel your brother?” He said, “I do not know. Am I my brother's keeper?”

Jude 1:11 Woe to them! For they have gone in the way of Cain, have run greedily in the error of Balaam for profit, and perished in the rebellion of Korah. 12 These are spots in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, serving only themselves. They are clouds without water, carried about by the winds; late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, pulled up by the roots;

Cain was the firstborn child into the world and he was a murderer and a liar!! God warned him that sin lied at the door. What does scripture tell us where sin COMES FROM? NOT from FALLEN ANGELS but…..

James 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.

Cain sinned out of HIS OWN RESOURCES!!……from HIS OWN DESIRES! The Father of lies is CAIN.

Luke 4: 1 And Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, turned back from the Jordan, and was brought in the Spirit to the wilderness, 2 forty days being tempted by the Devil, and he did not eat anything in those days, and they having been ended, he afterward hungered, 3 and the Devil said to him, `If Son thou art of God, speak to this stone that it may become bread.'

Being tempted by who? What does James tell us we are tempted by that would cause us to be slanderers? The book of James says that it is our OWN DESIRES. Hmm, Jesus went WITHOUT food for fourty days and then the DEVIL CAME AND TEMPTED HIM to use God’s GIVEN powers for himself TO MAKE FOOD! Was it some fallen angel speaking to Jesus, or was it as James clearly tells us, that Jesus was tempted by his own desires? Those desires were telling him that he would be better off serving himself rather then God, thus being deceitful. When a person hasn’t eaten in several days is it some invisible monster that causes them to be hungry and desperate for food? Jesus did not let his desires give birth to sin, instead he denied the devil the deceitful carnal nature that was telling him he needed to serve it to live.

Where does Jesus say lies and murder comes from?……

Mark 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within and defile a man.”

1 John 3:12 not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother's righteous.

The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 4190
Original WordWord Origin
ponhrovßfrom a derivative of (4192)

Transliterated WordTDNT Entry

Poneros6:546,912
Phonetic SpellingParts of Speech
pon-ay-ros'
Adjective

Definition
1.full of labours, annoyances, hardships
a.pressed and harassed by labours
b.bringing toils, annoyances, perils; of a time full of peril to Christian faith and steadfastness; causing pain and trouble
2.bad, of a bad nature or condition
a.in a physical sense: diseased or blind
b.in an ethical sense: evil wicked, bad

King James Word Usage – Total: 76
evil 51, wicked 10, wicked one 6, evil things 2, miscellaneous 7

The word “ONE” attached to wicked is purely done at the translators judgment, it is disingenuous I believe.
Cain was evil, he was full of wickedness. WHY does I John say Cain killed his brother?….BECAUSE HIS WORKS were evil.

God had warned Cain that sin lied at the door and he needed to RULE OVER IT! Jesus warned that out of man’s own heart comes evil inventions.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace. 15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

We know where James says our sins comes from (Our OWN desires!), and what does Paul say…

Romans 8:5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Do not let the mind of the flesh, the carnal mind rule over you for it will lead to sin and death, same as James teaches.

Hebrews 2:14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,

To be carnally minded IS DEATH, this is because following the carnal mind leads us into sin and the punishment of sin is death. When man is not acting in the ways of God he is said to be acting like a beast, this is the perfect analogy for beasts act solely upon their nature, their carnal minds. Animals don’t roam around as possessed or manipulated creatures by fallen angels, and NEITHER DO WE. The slanderer who is said to have power over death would obviously be representative of who? Paul teaches us clearly that SIN leads to death, and we are told that the power or influence behind our sin is OURSELVES, our OWN CARNAL MINDS.

Romans 6:10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.

Galatians 5:24And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

Jesus died without sinning, he died having denied his carnal nature, never once serving himself, likewise if we live for Christ we too have crucified that which HAS POWER OVER DEATH, our flesh with it’s passions and desires. God could not hold Jesus to the punishment of death for he never followed his own desires and thus he never gave birth to sin.

Put scriptures together and the message is clear, we don’t need fables of fallen angels, with one false addition to scripture or inference to scripture made, we just need to read what is written and put them together as one message.

If sin comes out of
my heart, out from my own desires, where I am letting my carnal mind rule over me I am acting like my brother Cain the father of lies, who was a liar and a murderer.

June 26, 2010 at 4:15 pm#200125

GeneBalthrop

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Jodi………….Amen, Amen, Amen,. You have as you say Nailed it Sis. This whole false teaching of devils and satans and demons going around controlling people is from the world and false religion, WE ARE THE SINNERS, not some illusive creature and his minions going around jumping in and out of people. Man when he yields to his carnal flesh desire is the adversary of GOD. Jesus mastered His carnal pulls by the Spirit of God given him at the Jordan River. Jodi keep hammering the same message you have it right Girl. God has given you this and it need to be proclaimed to all.

Man is the Adversary of GOD , Men are the devils themselves. False religion has personified the word Satan (adversary) into a being of some kind, rather than a spirit (intellect) that is in all people and operates through their carnal natures. Jesus over came this nature , he mastered it by the Spirit (seed) of GOD in him. His mastery was over himself by putting himself to death in complete obedience to GOD the Father. WE are to told to do this, “FOR WHOEVER WILL SAVE (HIS) LIFE WILL LOSE IT , AND WHOSOEVER WILL LOSE HIS LIFE FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD'S SHAKE WILL SAVE IT. Jesus did that and we must also. We have been baptized into this same death as Jesus was. IMO

peace and love to you and yours Jodi………………………..gene

June 27, 2010 at 11:04 am#200264

Ed J

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Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 26 2010,09:18)

Satan is NOT a BEING PERIOD, it is a description of a being.

Hi Jodi,

Does what your saying mean…

1) Job asked YHVH if he could test himself ?
2) Job then blamed YHVH for testing himself ? ?

Seems 'your logic' is a bit FLAWED; huh?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

June 27, 2010 at 12:09 pm#200266

karmarie

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Hi Jodi,

Should our focus be on Satan or what we think it means? Or on God? Love the Lord your God,, with all your heart,, and your neighbour as yourself.

“be subject, then, to God; stand up against the devil, and he will flee from you; …(James 4:7

June 27, 2010 at 12:12 pm#200267

Tim Kraft

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 27 2010,03:15)

peace and love to you and yours Jodi………………………..gene

Gene & Jodi: So much truth. Excellent to see. Sin is the most important single item we must understand from the Bible. The quote from Gen.Ch.4 is the first time the word sin was in the Bible….”if you do not well, sin is at the door”! It is used one more time in Genesis. All religions that I know about have built their dogmas and doctrines around the word sin. “….sin is at the door…! If you look up the word it is an error or the punishment for an error. IT IS NOT SOMETHING YOU DO OR DON'T DO!! Sin is not something you do or don't do in life!! It is an error or mistake of thinking or it is the punishment for making what you believe to be a mistake. IMO sin is an error of thinking by man that anything he does or does not do can separate him from God. If man himself makes a law unto himself of something to do or not to do that is sin, and then breaks his own law, he is then liable for his own judgment. Man is in charge of his own conduct and can do as he pleases. Does what he does separate him from God, NO! God is everywhere, how could we be separated. ONLY in the MIND! God doesn't go anywhere, when man believes he is in union with God, he is in union with God. If a man believes something he has done separates him from God then he lives in the illusion he created of separation. Faith connects man and God. The illusion of sin separates man and God. Not in reality, just an illusion. Jesus the light and truth of God came to teach God dwelling within each person. Nothing you do can take God away from you, except you believe God is apart from you! God bless all, TK

June 27, 2010 at 3:34 pm#200287

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Quote (karmarie @ June 27 2010,23:09)

Hi Jodi,

Should our focus be on Satan or what we think it means? Or on God? Love the Lord your God,, with all your heart,, and your neighbour as yourself.

“be subject, then, to God; stand up against the devil, and he will flee from you; …(James 4:7

Are you trying to accuse me of something here?

I find this to be an odd post karmarie.

This forum is for discussing various topics and DEBATING them.

You don't know me, or my life and how I live it. Nor do you have a clue as to my personal relationship that I have with YHWH.

You post a scripture that talks about standing up against the devil, but you imply at the same time that we should not focus long enough on scripture to figure out what the devil means??

How can you stand up against the devil if you don't know his identity?

Our FOCUS should be on studying ALL scriptures, working hard to understand true meaning, not on being some God groupie with a stoned mind that goes around parroting “praise God, praise God, praise God, praise God………”

June 27, 2010 at 3:53 pm#200288