Defining and setting the terms

[KangarooJack]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 22 2010,20:06)

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 22 2010,13:59) sf said: Quote I revised his opening statments according to the CF formant, since mike statement didnt meet those requierments, I told him to revise it. Then you send it back and telling us what to do. Then we revise it ourselves. How do I know you did not revise the content at all? KJ You know that i did not revise the content at all because again i stated that all i did was revise the FORMAT.   not the content.   For example mike sent me contentions with no organization with no conclusion nor introduction. also he sent a errored position within the debate.  i corrected that as well. what would a judge do if both were presenting neg cases? he would correct that. again like i said, under my format, Mike would go first, and you would present your case, which will also include your attack. so it realy wouldnt mattter, you would have the advantage either way. You can see the other oppenent arguements and than present a case.   but the Aff has the ability to have the last conclusive refute. again Why would i revise content? do to what charge? to disprove the plurality of God? really, do my posts within this forum really go in favor of that? accusing the wrong person. Im fair, and i have my own position, but im not stupid.

sf,

Okay! I will proceed with Mike's chosen topic “The Plurality of God?”. No more surprises please!

There are many things to be ironed out such as your definition of a “page.” A college paper contains 500-600 words per page. If we decide that sources are allowed we will have to put requirements on how they are used. For instance, Mike does not post the links to his sources so his opponent can verify that he quoted his source in context.

Mike wrote and sent you his opening statement without coming to a final agreement first. I don't understand that. I would not take the time to write an opening statement until all things had been agreed upon first in case no final agreement is reached and the deal falls through.

Also, you said that Mike had indicated that he sent me a pm inwhich he had accepted my offer. I received no such pm. This is why all things must be discussed publically here so every word can be established. This is for everyone's protection including yours.

KJ

[KangarooJack]

sf,

I discovered Mike's notification that we will be debating on the Protokos thread.

KJ

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 22 2010,21:43)

sf, I discovered Mike's notification that we will be debating on the Protokos thread. KJ

you see he did contact you.
i was wonderng…

[SimplyForgiven]

Mike said,

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Btw Roo, I've sent my “neg” for plural god to Dennison to see if I did it right. He will let me know if I need to make changes in the formatting of it. Anyway, you should probably get started on your “aff” for plural god.

And this is exactly what happened.

anyways Kj,
how many words are there in a word document on font 12 per page?
just convert the pages i had to the word count if you wish.

Since real debate is based on a certain about of time,
i tried my best to convert time to a number of pages,
I did this by using my old cases, and observing how long it takes to present a case,
and than how much pages it needed.

sources are mandatroy to be mentioned!
what kind of dictionary, what kindof bible, and whatnot.
to make the sources easier to see, maybe there should be a workcited.

[KangarooJack]

sf said:

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how many words are there in a word document on font 12 per page? just convert the pages i had to the word count if you wish.

sf,

Excuse my illiteracy but just tell me out right the maximum number of words per post. I have no idea what you are saying

What is “workcited”?

thanks,

KJ

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 23 2010,02:43)

sf said: Quote how many words are there in a word document on font 12 per page? just convert the pages i had to the word count if you wish. sf, Excuse my illiteracy but just tell me out right the maximum number of words per post. I have no idea what you are saying What is “workcited”? thanks, KJ

well how many words are there in one page in a micorsoft word document? on font 12?

A work cited is,
a source page, in another words a citation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_MLA_Style_Manual

much love,

[KangarooJack]

sf,

I will not be here much for the next few days. I have a lot of obligations. I will be researching my for my opening statement before I put it together. I want to keep you updated.

I now like the idea of you revising it so that it meets standards. I don't think we need mediators so long as you post the opening statements at the same time.

Are we doing this format I proposed?

I. Opening statements/no rebuttal
II. Ten rebuttals each/KJ goes first
III. Closing statements/summary and or critical analysis

KJ

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 24 2010,06:46)

sf, I will not be here much for the next few days. I have a lot of obligations. I will be researching my for my opening statement before I put it together. I want to keep you updated. I now like the idea of you revising it so that it meets standards. I don't think we need mediators so long as you post the opening statements at the same time. Are we doing this format I proposed? I. Opening statements/no rebuttal II. Ten rebuttals each/KJ goes first III. Closing statements/summary and or critical analysis KJ

That format is fine by me. In that case, SF won't really have to do anything with my opening. Unless you want the opening to follow the cif format – because that's what he was helping me out on.

mike

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 24 2010,00:46)

sf, I will not be here much for the next few days. I have a lot of obligations. I will be researching my for my opening statement before I put it together. I want to keep you updated. I now like the idea of you revising it so that it meets standards. I don't think we need mediators so long as you post the opening statements at the same time. Are we doing this format I proposed? I. Opening statements/no rebuttal II. Ten rebuttals each/KJ goes first III. Closing statements/summary and or critical analysis KJ

KJ and Mike

ITs whatever ya decide.

But personally i suggest ya ask ten questions to eachother.
because there might be a mis understanding that might happen,

and if it does and its not resolve than its a invalidation.

get what im saying?

[mikeboll64]

Not a clue, Dennison.

But I agree we can change the word “rebuttals” to “questions”. Is that what you mean?

mike

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2010,08:19)

Not a clue, Dennison. But I agree we can change the word “rebuttals” to “questions”.  Is that what you mean? mike

Mike,

Na
you would have to seperate questions from rebbutals.

rebuttals is your response to defend and attack.

questions are direct.

I dont know its whatever ya decide.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 24 2010,14:28)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2010,08:19) Not a clue, Dennison. But I agree we can change the word “rebuttals” to “questions”.  Is that what you mean? mike Mike, Na you would have to seperate questions from rebbutals. rebuttals is your response to defend and attack. questions are direct. I dont know its whatever ya decide.

I don't even know (or care) what I'm deciding. Jack can use whatever format he wants. I'm okay with what he chooses.

mike

[SimplyForgiven]

very well mike,

KJ,
what say you!

[KangarooJack]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2010,14:19)

Not a clue, Dennison. But I agree we can change the word “rebuttals” to “questions”.  Is that what you mean? mike

Hi Mike,

Okay here is how I see it now. SF will post our opening and closing statements with my statements on top each time.

We will post our 10 rebuttals ourselves with me going first. I wanted the rebuttals to be free for all with no requirements except word length and links to sources. The word length for each post will be one microsoft word page single space 12 font (per SF). This is approximately 630 words but allowing for a maximum of up to 700 words per post (total with all quotes from opponent and sources). Each man may use as little amount of words as he wants.

The links must be given when sources are used so each man can verify that the other cited his sources in context. The only thing left to agree upon is the time interval for reply. I suggest at leisure but up to one week max.

So these are pretty simple arrangements:

*Word length: 700 words maximum per post (opening sts, rebuttals & closing sts)

*Sources: Must post links to sources

*Reply time: At leisure but not to exceed one week

The debate must always be cordial. There will be no jabs (I am the chief sinner in this area) and no mock emoticons (again, I have been the guilty one).

If this arrangement is not acceptable then state your problems with it. If acceptable then please confirm it. I will not begin working on my opening st until the final agreement has been reached.

I am looking forward to it Mike.

Jack

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 25 2010,00:15)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2010,14:19) Not a clue, Dennison. But I agree we can change the word “rebuttals” to “questions”.  Is that what you mean? mike Hi Mike, Okay here is how I see it now. SF will post our opening and closing statements with my statements on top each time. We will post our 10 rebuttals ourselves with me going first. I wanted the rebuttals to be free for all with no requirements except word length and links to sources. The word length for each post will be one microsoft word page single space 12 font (per SF). This is approximately 630 words but allowing for a maximum of up to 700 words per post (total with all quotes from opponent and sources). Each man may use as little amount of words as he wants. The links must be given when sources are used so each man can verify that the other cited his sources in context. The only thing left to agree upon is the time interval for reply. I suggest at leisure but up to one week max. So these are pretty simple arrangements: *Word length: 700 words maximum per post (opening sts, rebuttals & closing sts) *Sources: Must post links to sources *Reply time: At leisure but not to exceed one week The debate must always be cordial. There will be no jabs (I am the chief sinner in this area) and no mock emoticons (again, I have been the guilty one). If this arrangement is not acceptable then state your problems with it. If acceptable then please confirm it. I will not begin working on my opening st until the final agreement has been reached. I am looking forward to it Mike. Jack

KJ,

I see a pontential probelm.

1)Are the sources going to be cited or going to be seperate from the maximum word limit.

2)Let me get this straight.
I post both opening statments from both debators.

than allowing You (kj) to attack first correct because your the affrimitive or what not.

So how is this order,

*Opening Statements,
*Ten rebuttals each,
*than closeing statements.

Is this correct? or are the opening and closeing part of the the ten?

3)I would still suggest for you guys to ask strict ten questions before the rebuttals. IF YA want to.
Its whatever.

Formals Rebuttals should not have any questions but of course ya could change that.

[KangarooJack]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 25 2010,06:35)

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 25 2010,00:15) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2010,14:19) Not a clue, Dennison. But I agree we can change the word “rebuttals” to “questions”.  Is that what you mean? mike Hi Mike, Okay here is how I see it now. SF will post our opening and closing statements with my statements on top each time. We will post our 10 rebuttals ourselves with me going first. I wanted the rebuttals to be free for all with no requirements except word length and links to sources. The word length for each post will be one microsoft word page single space 12 font (per SF). This is approximately 630 words but allowing for a maximum of up to 700 words per post (total with all quotes from opponent and sources). Each man may use as little amount of words as he wants. The links must be given when sources are used so each man can verify that the other cited his sources in context. The only thing left to agree upon is the time interval for reply. I suggest at leisure but up to one week max. So these are pretty simple arrangements: *Word length: 700 words maximum per post (opening sts, rebuttals & closing sts) *Sources: Must post links to sources *Reply time: At leisure but not to exceed one week The debate must always be cordial. There will be no jabs (I am the chief sinner in this area) and no mock emoticons (again, I have been the guilty one). If this arrangement is not acceptable then state your problems with it. If acceptable then please confirm it. I will not begin working on my opening st until the final agreement has been reached. I am looking forward to it Mike. Jack KJ, I see a pontential probelm. 1)Are the sources going to be cited or going to be seperate from the maximum word limit. 2)Let me get this straight. I post both opening statments from both debators. than allowing You (kj) to attack first correct because your the affrimitive or what not.   So how is this order, *Opening Statements, *Ten rebuttals each, *than closeing statements. Is this correct? or are the opening and closeing part of the the ten? 3)I would still suggest for you guys to ask strict ten questions before the rebuttals.   IF YA want to. Its whatever. Formals Rebuttals should not have any questions but of course ya could change that.

sf,

Here is the original format I proposed”

I. Opening statements/no rebuttal1.

followed by

II. Ten (10) rebuttals each

followed by

III. Closing statements2

1.Judge (SF) posts opening statements at the same time with KJ's on top
2. SF also posts closing statements at the same time with KJ's on top.

So you will hold Mike's opening statement until you receive mine and then post them at the same time with mine on top. The same goes for the closing statements.

The 700 word maximum includes ALL qoutes unless Mike wants to negotiate it. 700 words per post is the maximum I am proposing.

Mike was given the choice who was to go first and he chose that I go first. It had nothing to do with affirmative or negative.

Question: By ten questions do you mean one question per rebuttal?

KJ

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 25 2010,00:54)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 25 2010,06:35) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ June 25 2010,00:15) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2010,14:19) Not a clue, Dennison. But I agree we can change the word “rebuttals” to “questions”.  Is that what you mean? mike Hi Mike, Okay here is how I see it now. SF will post our opening and closing statements with my statements on top each time. We will post our 10 rebuttals ourselves with me going first. I wanted the rebuttals to be free for all with no requirements except word length and links to sources. The word length for each post will be one microsoft word page single space 12 font (per SF). This is approximately 630 words but allowing for a maximum of up to 700 words per post (total with all quotes from opponent and sources). Each man may use as little amount of words as he wants. The links must be given when sources are used so each man can verify that the other cited his sources in context. The only thing left to agree upon is the time interval for reply. I suggest at leisure but up to one week max. So these are pretty simple arrangements: *Word length: 700 words maximum per post (opening sts, rebuttals & closing sts) *Sources: Must post links to sources *Reply time: At leisure but not to exceed one week The debate must always be cordial. There will be no jabs (I am the chief sinner in this area) and no mock emoticons (again, I have been the guilty one). If this arrangement is not acceptable then state your problems with it. If acceptable then please confirm it. I will not begin working on my opening st until the final agreement has been reached. I am looking forward to it Mike. Jack KJ, I see a pontential probelm. 1)Are the sources going to be cited or going to be seperate from the maximum word limit. 2)Let me get this straight. I post both opening statments from both debators. than allowing You (kj) to attack first correct because your the affrimitive or what not.   So how is this order, *Opening Statements, *Ten rebuttals each, *than closeing statements. Is this correct? or are the opening and closeing part of the the ten? 3)I would still suggest for you guys to ask strict ten questions before the rebuttals.   IF YA want to. Its whatever. Formals Rebuttals should not have any questions but of course ya could change that. sf, Here is the original format I proposed” I. Opening statements/no rebuttal1. followed by II. Ten (10) rebuttals each followed by III. Closing statements2 1.Judge (SF) posts opening statements at the same time with KJ's on top 2. SF also posts closing statements at the same time with KJ's on top. So you will hold Mike's opening statement until you receive mine and then post them at the same time with mine on top. The same goes for the closing statements. The 700 word maximum includes ALL qoutes unless Mike wants to negotiate it. 700 words per post is the maximum I am proposing. Mike was given the choice who was to go first and he chose that I go first. It had nothing to do with arrirmative or negative. Question: By ten questions do you mean one question per rebuttal? KJ

KJ,

let me clarify about the Questions.

Right after the opening statements, basically the case i guess.

you guys cross examine eachother by questions.
You ask a set of ten questions.
And than he ask a set of ten questions.

and thats it. than the rebuttals starts.

I believe asking questions can hellp clairfy any misunderstandings or lack of information you might need to counter attack or defend.

[mikeboll64]

I thought “rebuttals” WERE questions.

I'm good with Jack's layout, I only need to know:

1. 10 questions before the rebuttals?
2. Are all 10 questions and/or rebuttals supposed to be in one post, or 10?

mike

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 25 2010,04:41)

I thought “rebuttals” WERE questions.   I'm  good with Jack's layout, I only need to know: 1.  10 questions before the rebuttals? 2.  Are all 10 questions and/or rebuttals supposed to be in one post, or 10? mike

rebuttal is the act of refuting, not questioning.

[mikeboll64]

Whatever, just go with it. You can leave my post I sent you just as it is now that there is no special format to follow in our opening. When you get Jack's, post them, and I'll learn the rest as I go.

mike

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