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Quote See, you say blood relative, correct? 1 Corinthians 15:49-51 (King James Version)
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
In other words humans cannot be God and God does not have blood nor flesh
bd,
The passage you refer to is speaking about the resurrection. Paul is saying that our immortal bodies will not be flesh and blood. Your view that God could not take flesh and blood is Gnostic.Quote Feed the church of God which He has purchased with His own blood (Acts 20:28) thinker
Quote (Gene @ June 20 2009,11:50) WJ……….If your referring to the Scripture that says that (CHRIST) was the Rock that followed them in the wilderness, It does not refer JESUS, Lets read it Rightly, FOR THE (ANOINTING) or CHRISTOS, WAS THE ROCK THAT FOLLOWED THEM IN THE WILDERNESS, and some time this atoning is on angles and on men also, Its still an ANOINTING of GOD, NOT A individual PERSON. Trying to force the text as all trinitarians and preexistences do to prove their points just does not work. IMO peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene
Gene,
Paul CLEARLY said that that [spiritual] rock was THE Christ.Deal with it bro!
thinker
Hi brother Thinker,
So you are the one who want to give death blow to a non-trinitarian. What difference it make us and the old orthodoxy which killed many saints by burning them on stake?Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 19 2009,11:51) Quote (Lightenup @ June 19 2009,09:58) Thinker,
The Father takes care of Israel and redeems them. The nation of Israel is as a “firstborn” to Him, therefore the kinsman relationship of a father caring for a child. Also, the Son and angels came “in the name of Yahweh.”
It is not hard,
Kathi
Hi KathiI think you are missing the point! There was never an Angel or any being ever to claim “that they were” those things.
Jesus clearly claims to be those things.
John in his gospel, Chapter 12:38-42 speaks of Jesus Glory as being YHWH when he quotes Isaiah seeing the LORDs, YHWHs Glory in Isaiah chapter 6:1-10.
To him who has ears to hear, let him hear!
Just for Jesus to claim that he is “The Good Shepard” (not that he is just “a” shephard), and yet claim that no man is good but God, should tell the Non-trinitarians something!
Blessings WJ
Hi Keith,
Consider these verses regarding Jesus not only coming in the name of the LORD but also being “given” the name.Luke 19:37-38
37 As soon as He was approaching, near the descent of the Mount of Olives, the whole crowd of the disciples began to praise God joyfully with a loud voice for all the miracles which they had seen,
38 shouting: “BLESSED IS THE KING WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD; Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!”
NASUJohn 5:43-44
43 “I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, you will receive him.
44 “How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only God?
NASUJohn 10:25
25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father's name, these testify of Me.
NASUJohn 17:11
11 “I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are.
NASUPlease note that in these next verses there are two names written on their foreheads, don't you think that would be strange to be give two names instead of one, or three if God was really three in one?
Rev 14:1
14 Then I looked, and behold, the Lamb was standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads.
NASURev 3:12-13
12 'He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name.
13 'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.'
NASUAlso, do you realize that the greek word for “good” in “good shephard is a different greek word than the one used when Jesus says there is no one “good” but GOD alone.
God bless,
KathiQuote (thethinker @ June 20 2009,20:55) Quote (Gene @ June 20 2009,11:50) WJ……….If your referring to the Scripture that says that (CHRIST) was the Rock that followed them in the wilderness, It does not refer JESUS, Lets read it Rightly, FOR THE (ANOINTING) or CHRISTOS, WAS THE ROCK THAT FOLLOWED THEM IN THE WILDERNESS, and some time this atoning is on angles and on men also, Its still an ANOINTING of GOD, NOT A individual PERSON. Trying to force the text as all trinitarians and preexistences do to prove their points just does not work. IMO peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene
Gene,
Paul CLEARLY said that that [spiritual] rock was THE Christ.Deal with it bro!
thinker
Thinker……….Look up the word Christos used there and you will have your ansewr. Here is another one for you . “Peter who do you say I am? Thou art the Son of the living GOD, Jesus responds “blessed are you Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood (like Jesus was) did not reveal that unto you, but my Father in Heaven has revealed it unto you”, and i say unto you that you are Peter, and upon THIS ROCK, I shall build the church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail”.Now what was Jesus saying? He was saying the (HE) did not reveal to Peter that He was the SON of GOD, and that this understanding was given Him from Heaven, by the Father, and then Jesus Showed Peter He also had revealed Knowledge as to who Peter was, and then concluded that This revealed understand from GOD was what He was going to use to build the church. and The was the (ROCK), the POWER OF GOD to get into the mind and reveal (TRUTH), And it was from HEAVEN BY ONE GOD. IMO
Quote (thethinker @ June 20 2009,20:55) (thinker) Quote
Paul CLEARLY said that that [spiritual] rock was THE Christ. Deal with it bro!
What's to deal?The same form of the same terminology was used of Jesus, AND of priests, rocks, kings, anything God anointed.
AND he still did not say Christ was the rock, did he? He said the rock was Christ. Just like the priest and the king.
[Criston acc.masc.s.][tou (o`) genitive masc.s. def.art.][Theou genitive masc.s.]
KJV/SEPT Leviticus 21:12 Neither shall he go out of the sanctuary, nor profane the sanctuary of his God; for the crown of the [Xriston tou Theou] anointing oil of his God is upon him: I am the LORD.
Luke 9:20 He said unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Peter answering said, The [Xriston tou Theou] Christ of God.
KJV/SEPT 1 Samuel 24:6 And he said unto his men, The LORD forbid that I should do this thing unto my master, the LORD'S anointed, to stretch forth mine hand against him, seeing he is the [cristos kuriou] anointed of the LORD.
KJV/SEPT 1 Samuel 24:10 Behold, this day thine eyes have seen how that the LORD had delivered thee to day into mine hand in the cave: and some bade me kill thee: but mine eye spared thee; and I said, I will not put forth mine hand against my lord; for he is the [cristos kuriou ] LORD'S anointed.
KJV/SEPT Lamentations 4:20 The breath of our nostrils, the [cristos kuriou] anointed of the LORD, was taken in their pits, of whom we said, Under his shadow we shall live among the heathen.
KJV/SEPT 1 Samuel 26:9 And David said to Abishai, Destroy him not: for who can stretch forth his hand against the [ton (o`) acc.masc.s. def.art.][Xriston acc. masc. singular noun][kuriou genitive (possessive) masc.singular noun] LORD'S anointed, and be guiltless?
Luke 2:26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the
[ton (o`) acc.masc.s. def.art.][Xriston acc. masc. singular noun][kuriou genitive (possessive) masc.singular noun] Lord's Christ.KJV/SEPT 1 Samuel 26:11 The LORD forbid that I should stretch forth mine hand against [ton (o`) acc.masc.s. def.art.] [Xriston acc. masc. singular noun][kuriou genitive (possessive) masc.singular noun] the LORD'S anointed: but, I pray thee, take thou now the spear that is at his bolster, and the cruse of water, and let us go.
Luke 2:26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the
[ton (o`) acc.masc.s. def.art.][Xriston acc. masc. singular noun][kuriou genitive (possessive) masc.singular noun] Lord's Christ.KJV/SEPT 1 Samuel 26:16 This thing is not good that thou hast done. As the LORD liveth, ye are worthy to die, because ye have not kept your master, [ton (o`) acc.masc.s. def.art.][Xriston acc. masc. singular noun][kuriou genitive (possessive) masc.singular noun] the LORD'S anointed. And now see where the king's spear is, and the cruse of water that was at his bolster.
Luke 2:26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the
[ton (o`) acc.masc.s. def.art.][Xriston acc. masc. singular noun][kuriou genitive (possessive) masc.singular noun] Lord's Christ.KJV/SEPT 1 Samuel 26:23 The LORD render to every man his righteousness and his faithfulness: for the LORD delivered thee into my hand to day, but I would not stretch forth mine hand against [ton (o`) acc.masc.s. def.art.][Xriston acc. masc. singular noun][kuriou genitive (possessive) masc.singular noun] the LORD'S anointed.
Luke 2:26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the
[ton (o`) acc.masc.s. def.art.][Xriston acc. masc. singular noun][kuriou genitive (possessive) masc.singular noun] Lord's Christ.KJV/SEPT 2 Samuel 1:14 And David said unto him, How wast thou not afraid to stretch forth thine hand to destroy
[ton (o`) acc.masc.s. def.art.][Xriston acc. masc. singular noun][kuriou genitive (possessive) masc.singular noun] the LORD'S anointed?Luke 2:26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the
[ton (o`) acc.masc.s. def.art.][Xriston acc. masc. singular noun][kuriou genitive (possessive) masc.singular noun] Lord's Christ.KJV/SEPT 2 Samuel 1:16 And David said unto him, Thy blood be upon thy head; for thy mouth hath testified against thee, saying, I have slain [ton (o`) acc.masc.s. def.art.][Xriston acc. masc. singular noun][kuriou genitive (possessive) masc.singular noun] the LORD'S anointed.
Luke 2:26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the
[ton (o`) acc.masc.s. def.art.][Xriston acc. masc. singular noun][kuriou genitive (possessive) masc.singular noun] Lord's Christ.KJV/SEPT 2 Samuel 19:21 But Abishai the son of Zeruiah answered and said, Shall not Shimei be put to death for this, because he cursed [ton (o`) acc.masc.s. def.art.][Xriston acc. masc. singular noun][kuriou genitive (possessive) masc.singular noun] the LORD'S anointed?
Luke 2:26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the
[ton (o`) acc.masc.s. def.art.][Xriston acc. masc. singular][kuriou genitive (possessive) masc.singular noun] Lord's Christ.KJV/SEPT 2 Samuel 23:1 Now these be the last words of David. David the son of Jesse said, and the man who was raised up on high, the [Xriston accusative masc. singular][Theou genitive masculine singular]anointed of the God of Jacob, and the sweet psalmist of Israel, said,
1 Corinthians 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, [Xriston accusative masc. singular] [Theou genitive masculine singular] Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
KJV/SEPT 2 Chronicles 22:7 And the destruction of Ahaziah was of God by coming to Joram: for when he was come, he went out with Jehoram against Jehu the son of Nimshi, whom the [Xriston accusative masc. singular] [Theou genitive masculine singular] LORD had anointed to cut off the house of Ahab.
1 Corinthians 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, [Xriston accusative masc. singular] [Theou genitive masculine singular] Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
XRISTOS 10
KJV/SEPT Leviticus 4:5 And the priest that is [o` nominative masculine singular def. art.][Cristos nominative masculine singular] anointed shall take of the bullock's blood, and bring it to the tabernacle of the congregation:
Matthew 2:4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where [o` nominative masculine singular def. art.][Cristos nominative masculine singular] Christ should be born.
Matthew 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art [o` nominative masculine singular def. art.][Cristos nominative masculine singular] the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Matthew 16:20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus [o` nominative masculine singular def. art.][Cristos nominative masculine singular]the Christ.KJV/SEPT Leviticus 4:16 And the priest that is [o` nominative masculine singular def. art.][Cristos nominative masculine singular] anointed shall bring of the bullock's blood to the tabernacle of the congregation:
Matthew 2:4 And when he had gathe
red all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where [o` nominative masculine singular def. art.][Cristos nominative masculine singular] Christ should be born.
Matthew 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art [o` nominative masculine singular def. art.][Cristos nominative masculine singular] the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Matthew 16:20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus [o` nominative masculine singular def. art.][Cristos nominative masculine singular] the Christ.KJV/SEPT Leviticus 6:22 And the priest of his sons that is [o` nominative masculine singular def. art.][Cristos nominative masculine singular] anointed in his stead shall offer it: it is a statute for ever unto the LORD; it shall be wholly burnt.
Matthew 2:4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where [o` nominative masculine singular def. art.][Cristos nominative masculine singular] Christ should be born.
Matthew 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art [o` nominative masculine singular def. art.][Cristos nominative masculine singular] the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Matthew 16:20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus [o` nominative masculine singular def. art.][Cristos nominative masculine singular] the Christ.
XRISTOU 17
KJV/SEPT Psalm 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his [tou (o`) genitive masc.s. def.art.][Cristou genitive masc.s.] anointed, saying,1 Corinthians 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of [tou (o`) genitive masc.s. def.art.][Cristou genitive masc.s.] Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
Why do I get the feeling you won't deal with THAT?
Paladin………..good post brother, as i said before you are a breathe of fresh air here, please don't get discouraged with us. I believe many times Paul used the term Christ and was not referencing Jesus Himself, but the Anointing , this is a great incite and need to be better understood by all. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene
Quote (gollamudi @ June 20 2009,21:42) Hi brother Thinker,
So you are the one who want to give death blow to a non-trinitarian. What difference it make us and the old orthodoxy which killed many saints by burning them on stake?
Gollamudi,
I agree with you. Keep in mind that Islamic extremists are anti-trinitarian and they murder people. They think they have Allah's approval.thinker
Paladin said:
Quote AND he still did not say Christ was the rock, did he? He said the rock was Christ. Paladin,
The Rock that “followed them” was not that lump of minerals that Moses struck. I will no longer entertain to your insanity regarding this particular point.thinker
Quote (Gene @ June 21 2009,03:32) Paladin………..good post brother, as i said before you are a breathe of fresh air here, please don't get discouraged with us. I believe many times Paul used the term Christ and was not referencing Jesus Himself, but the Anointing , this is a great incite and need to be better understood by all. IMO peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene
Gene,
So you think that a lump of minerals picked up a pair of legs and followed the people? You are insane too.thinker
Quote (thethinker @ June 21 2009,06:21) Paladin said: Quote AND he still did not say Christ was the rock, did he? He said the rock was Christ. Paladin,
The Rock that “followed them” was not that lump of minerals that Moses struck. I will no longer entertain to your insanity regarding this particular point.thinker
Are you “leaving me?” or are you “forsaking me?”Paladin and Gene,
I apologize for calling you both “insane.” I got carried away in my frustration.Jack
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